Why do Black men rape White women?

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

I don't see any particular point in "demonizing" Blacks.

But you have made it clear more than one time that you would like a stop to immigration from both, if not all, countries with a majority Black population, regardless of whether or not the individual immigrants actually constitute a danger.

Argus · August 3, 2009

Really?
Then point me to the post wherein you expressed such contempt for the higher incidence of pedophilia for white males.

I'm sure you hold that "group" to the same "standard"....LOL!

You keep mentioning this, and yet, thus far have not introduced anything to support it.

That is aside from the fact that this is not a thread on pedophilia, and that you are clearly incapable of discussing the basis of this thread and are simply trying to divert attention.

You run along now, find your statistics, and post them in another thread, and perhaps I'll then discuss them with you.

Argus · August 3, 2009

But you have made it clear more than one time that you would like a stop to immigration from both, if not all, countries with a majority Black population, regardless of whether or not the individual immigrants actually constitute a danger.

I've made it clear that I don't believe we should have many immigrants at all, that demographic data do not support the need for anywhere near the current numbers, and that the current flood of immigrants is causing economic, societal and cultural problems which are only going to grow worse as we continue to grow foreign communities within Canada's borders.

By and large, with respect to Black immigrants, the majority do not appear to be economically successful in Canada, and the majority of our street criminals appear to now be members of immigrant groups which arrived from Black countries.

As I've explained before, if we must have immigrants, we ought to be first choosing immigrants from groups which are more akin to ours in terms of culture and education so that they can be more economically successful, cause less damage to social cohesion and integrate faster.

bush_cheney2004 · August 3, 2009

You keep mentioning this, and yet, thus far have not introduced anything to support it.
That is aside from the fact that this is not a thread on pedophilia, and that you are clearly incapable of discussing the basis of this thread and are simply trying to divert attention.

You run along now, find your statistics, and post them in another thread, and perhaps I'll then discuss them with you.

In other words, you are a sham.....especially when it comes to having a hard-on for people of "color". I'm not sure what you hope to gain even if proving that all rapes of "WHITE WOMEN" were committed by "BLACK MEN"...oh my!

Even more laughable is the projection of US DOJ stats for your arguments because Canada lacks the data or resources to support your agenda domestically.

I think I will go out tonight and "rape me some WHITE HO's" !!! :lol:

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

I've made it clear that I don't believe we should have many immigrants at all, that demographic data do not support the need for anywhere near the current numbers, and that the current flood of immigrants is causing economic, societal and cultural problems which are only going to grow worse as we continue to grow foreign communities within Canada's borders.
By and large, with respect to Black immigrants, the majority do not appear to be economically successful in Canada, and the majority of our street criminals appear to now be members of immigrant groups which arrived from Black countries.

As I've explained before, if we must have immigrants, we ought to be first choosing immigrants from groups which are more akin to ours in terms of culture and education so that they can be more economically successful, cause less damage to social cohesion and integrate faster.

Yet you keep ignoring or dismissing the fact that many of our societal or economic problems were also present in the case of past generations of immigrants. Many past groups of immigrants did experience the same integration problems, the same economic difficulties, but you discard those on account that "they were more like us".

Also, you would ban entire groups on account of the crimes committed by a minority of their members.

Looks to me like you're the ones having low expectations towards certain groups.

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

In other words, you are a sham.....especially when it comes to having a hard-on for people of "color".

Escuse me?

I think I will go out tonight and "rape me some WHITE HO's" !!!

:angry:

bush_cheney2004 · August 3, 2009

Escuse me?
:angry:

Is there a problem officer? Did I upset the polite (but racist) discussion by mocking preconceived notions?

I sure hope so.....

(Why do I feel like I have just been pulled over in Quebec City for DWB?)

Edited August 3, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

kimmy · August 3, 2009

I'm not sure what you hope to gain even if proving that all rapes of "WHITE WOMEN" were committed by "BLACK MEN"...oh my!

It was never about that. It was about the reaction that asking this sort of question creates.

If you go through this thread, you'll see:

-"the author of that article is obviously some kind of racist."

-"these statistics can't be right."

-"here are some vague, uncited statistics to refute the DoJ study!"

-"well rape is bad, period. Why talk about the race of the attackers or victims?"

-"it's racist to talk about this."

-"oh yeah? wellll whites are more often guilty of pedophila!" (...serial killing is another one often used.)

-"you're a Bad Person for even asking this question."

Mention that pedophilia or serial killing are disproportionately white activities, and people probably won't even bat an eye or ask for evidence, or say anything bad about you as a person for making this remark. Mention that gang rapes and assault and homicide are disproportionately black activities, and people will dispute your information to the ends of the earth, and cast aspersions on your character, and try to change the topic to serial killing and pedophilia.

hmm.

As you point out, we in Canada aren't even allowed to have such statistics. We're not a brave people, as a nation, we're afraid of information that could be upsetting to us.

You Americans are bold enough to compile this information... but apparently not quite bold enough to actually discuss it.

-k

JB Globe · August 3, 2009

This post could have easily been titled "Why do white men become serial killers?" or "Why do white men molest children?"

And someone could have gone on to create an equally stupid and lazy argument that white people are inherently more likely to molest or mass-murder, because of some genetic pre-disposition, or social conditioning from "white culture"

And besides, given the fact the African-American community is radically different in history and makeup than the various Canadian communities of African descent, why does anyone think these stats are applicable?

bush_cheney2004 · August 3, 2009

Mention that pedophilia or serial killing are disproportionately white activities, and people probably won't even bat an eye or ask for evidence, or say anything bad about you as a person for making this remark. Mention that gang rapes and assault and homicide are disproportionately black activities, and people will dispute your information to the ends of the earth, and cast aspersions on your character, and try to change the topic to serial killing and pedophilia.

Oh, I seriously doubt they are so comfortable with such things. Pay a visit to Stormfront some time to see them rally around burning crosses.

As you point out, we in Canada aren't even allowed to have such statistics. We're not a brave people, as a nation, we're afraid of information that could be upsetting to us.

We've already covered this....Canada's development is arrested when it comes to such things....never had a civil rights movement either. Canada is great for Africans, but not those "uppity" BLACKS!

You Americans are bold enough to compile this information... but apparently not quite bold enough to actually discuss it.

We discuss it often, on national televison networks, and don't need to import Canadian stats about "visible minorities". LOL!

That's what so damn funny....Argus even had to import his statistics.

bush_cheney2004 · August 3, 2009

This post could have easily been titled "Why do white men become serial killers?" or "Why do white men molest children?"

Yep.....that's the point of my "deflection".

And someone could have gone on to create an equally stupid and lazy argument that white people are inherently more likely to molest or mass-murder, because of some genetic pre-disposition, or social conditioning from "white culture"

No doubt....Adolf was a WHITE DUDE! :lol:

And besides, given the fact the African-American community is radically different in history and makeup than the various Canadian communities of African descent, why does anyone think these stats are applicable?

Because it supports the stereotypes and prejudices they hold near and dear.

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

It was never about that. It was about the reaction that asking this sort of question creates.
If you go through this thread, you'll see:

-"the author of that article is obviously some kind of racist."

You cannot discount the fact that racists (among others), have taken those numbers and try to make them say something else that what they actually say.

-"these statistics can't be right."

The METHODOLOGY is being contested. Statistics without a sound methodology are worthless.

-"well rape is bad, period. Why talk about the race of the attackers or victims?"

And why is such a statement so dangerous?

Mention that pedophilia or serial killing are disproportionately white activities, and people probably won't even bat an eye or ask for evidence, or say anything bad about you as a person for making this remark.

Yet, you have a problem with people mentioning it.

hmm.

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

And besides, given the fact the African-American community is radically different in history and makeup than the various Canadian communities of African descent, why does anyone think these stats are applicable?

How do you dare asking that question? :lol:

kimmy · August 3, 2009

You cannot discount the fact that racists (among others), have taken those numbers and try to make them say something else that what they actually say.

So this sort of discussion must be suppressed, then? We can't discuss race and violence because it might give the Lictors of the world fuel for their beliefs?

The Lictors of the world already believe what they believe; hiding the statistics just fuels their suspicions, stifling this sort of debate just supports their belief that political correct society is afraid of what they have to say.

The METHODOLOGY is being contested. Statistics without a sound methodology are worthless.

People started with the assumption that the statistics are wrong, and have worked busily to find reasons to support that belief.

They came up with... "black women are less likely to report sexual assaults" and "most sexual assaults go unreported."

Which is flimsy for two reasons:

Firstly, these aren't reports aren't complaints filed with police. These are survey responses, given in private interviews with census workers. The usual reasons why women choose not to report a rape to the police are far less compelling in this instance, when the women are having a confidential interview with a census worker rather than a police officer. The census worker is not going to administer a rape kit exam, nor make you testify in front of a court-room, nor charge you with filing a false report if he doesn't believe your story, nor most of the other reasons women avoid calling the police.

Secondly, black women weren't actually less likely to report sexual assaults at all. They actually reported sexual assaults at a higher rate per capita than white women. The only difference here is the conspicuous lack of white assailants claimed.

We've also heard "the year by year fluctuation of the numbers of reports is huge, which makes the whole thing really questionable." Well, the one thing that remains consistent every year: tens of thousands of whites sexually assaulted by blacks, while blacks being sexually assaulted by whites is too rare to be statistically measurable.

We've also heard "the definition of rape/sexual assault used in this study is overly broad." True. But how does using an overly broad definition of sexual assault help conjure up these white assailants that are conspicuously missing?

And why is such a statement so dangerous?

Dangerous? Of course not. But it's an obvious attempt to end the discussion of black violence against whites.

Yet, you have a problem with people mentioning it.
hmm.

I didn't have a problem with him mentioning it, I merely point it out as another obvious attempt to deflect the topic away from black violence against whites.

-k

Cato · August 3, 2009

The only difference here is the conspicuous lack of white assailants claimed

This "only" difference, as you note, is "conspicious", and if a stats exhibits such conspicious features, then one justifiedly questions the validity of the stats.

how does using an overly broad definition of sexual assault help conjure up these white assailants that are conspicuously missing?

It does not; however, it does influence the other side, the number of reported "rape/sexual assault" of white women: it allows for the inclusion of even thinking of being sexually assaulted or threatened with that.

lily · August 3, 2009

Dangerous? Of course not. But it's an obvious attempt to end the discussion of black violence against whites.

Nope.

But interesting that you would think that.

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

So this sort of discussion must be suppressed, then?

certainly not what I am saying,

They came up with... "black women are less likely to report sexual assaults" and "most sexual assaults go unreported."
Which is flimsy for two reasons:

Firstly, these aren't reports aren't complaints filed with police. These are survey responses, given in private interviews with census workers. The usual reasons why women choose not to report a rape to the police are far less compelling in this instance, when the women are having a confidential interview with a census worker rather than a police officer. The census worker is not going to administer a rape kit exam, nor make you testify in front of a court-room, nor charge you with filing a false report if he doesn't believe your story, nor most of the other reasons women avoid calling the police.

I find hard to believe that victims of rape are more likely to report them to a census taker than to the police.

blacks being sexually assaulted by whites is too rare to be statistically measurable.

How someone can see that number and not at least find it extremely bizarre is hard to fathom.

We've also heard "the definition of rape/sexual assault used in this study is overly broad." True. But how does using an overly broad definition of sexual assault help conjure up these white assailants that are conspicuously missing?

Actually, what is being said is that claims that "these are the numbers of RAPES" are incorrect.

Argus · August 3, 2009

In other words, you are a sham.....especially when it comes to having a hard-on for people of "color".

I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about - but then I doubt you do either.

You want to introduce the subject of paedophila into a thread about Black on White sexual violence, feel free. As yet you've done nothing but pull a statement out of your ass and wave it around in an effort to halt the discussion.

I'm not sure if Whites do molest children at a higher rate than Blacks do. It wouldn't surprise me, actually, since, most child molestation takes place within the family and, unlike most Black men, White men tend to actually hang around with their women after they've gotten them pregnant.

But the entire reason d'etre of this particular thread is interracial violence and whether it can or should constitute a hate crime, as compared to other "hate crimes. So it would seem that paedophila is somewhat irrelevent. Then again, almost everything you say on most subjects here is irrelevant.

I'm not sure what you hope to gain even if proving that all rapes of "WHITE WOMEN" were committed by "BLACK MEN"...oh my!

The furtherance of knowledge is never a bad thing. Is there a particular reason why a Republican Zealot is so offended by the topic? I mean, don't most Republicans have wet dreams about sending all the darkies back to Africa?

Argus · August 3, 2009

Yet you keep ignoring or dismissing the fact that many of our societal or economic problems were also present in the case of past generations of immigrants.

I've seen no evidence to support this. We didn't have welfare in past generations for immigrants who couldn't work to. We didn't have pogey and we didn't have health care to abuse. When you came to Canada you worked or you starved. In more recent days, the statistics are fairly clear, and I've posed them before, that immigrants used to perform far better economically than todays immigrants do. The trend has been going down for the last twenty years largely, imho, because the gap between the linguistic/educational/skill levels of Canadians and newcomers is far higher than it used to be, and there are far fewer jobs available to those without skills and who are unable to effectively communicate.

You make the claim that previous generations had as hard a time adapting as the present group but present no evidence to support that. You make the claim that Canadians were suspicious and resentful of newcomers back then, and that is certainly true. But you ignore the fact that those Canadians in years long past were, as most people were at the time, a fairly xenophobic, provincial, and socially backward people. Of course they were suspicious of newcomers. We are not, however, of that mentality now. We are far more worldly and accepting of others. Yet there are still profound problems of social cohesion and acceptance of certain types of newcomers.

Also, you would ban entire groups on account of the crimes committed by a minority of their members.

When Macleans says outright that 97% of the gang violence in Toronto is commited by Jamaicans I can't help wondering why we wouldn't decide that bringing over people from this particular national grouping is not in our interests. When the Citizen says half the youths in jail are Somalians, and when half the people in Ottawa can relate incidences of violence, intimidation, theft, or other abuse by Somalians, I can't help wondering why we continue to accept people from this particular national grouping. What you fail to understand - completely - is that we have absolutely no responsibility - none - zero - to be "fair" to every single national grouping out there, and treat them all the same with regards to who we do and don't let into Canada. They are not Canadians. We have no responsibility towards them whatever. The point of immigration is to bring to Canada those people who would make the best contribution to Canada. Either we put every potential immigrant and their family through a long battery of psychological and sociological tests to TRY and determine how well they might adapt, or we simply go by the statistics and weed out certain national types who are causing trouble and not succeeding.

Argus · August 3, 2009

And besides, given the fact the African-American community is radically different in history and makeup than the various Canadian communities of African descent, why does anyone think these stats are applicable?

Whether in Canada, the United States or the UK, a predilection towards violent crime by the Black community has been fairly well noted among everyone other than the politically correct.

August 3, 2009

From the report.
With one exception among female

victims, percentages of crimes

reported to the police did not differ

across racial categories. Violent crimes

against black women were more likely

to be reported to the police than crimes

against white women.

"Violent crimes" include more than rape, so one still doesn't know if rapes are reported more or less by black women. But I have to point out again that this is a survey. It's not based on actual crime statistics, actual reported crimes, or convictions. In other words, it's evidence that wouldn't stand up on a court of law.

August 3, 2009

Wow. This is almost a cliche'. And people wonder why we don't keep crime statistics by race. It's because people like AW are frantically doing their best, in their paternalistic way, to "protect" blacks, no doubt "for their own good". Just as they push hate crime legislation to protect minorities "because someone has to" and why they push affirmative action programs "on behalf of minorities" again, because they feel somehow obligated as superior human specimens, to patternalistically protect those poor little visible minorities - whether they want it, or asked for it or not.

"People like AW, eh?" You don't know me from Adam, and you couldn't be more wrong in your analysis of me, so try to stay on topic instead of making this about me. :rolleyes:

[i'm sorry, but I consider this whole attitude to be rank bigotry. Sure, I'm judgmental as hell. But at least I treat everyone the same, and hold everyone to the same standards, regardless of race or national origin. I won't excuse the behaviour of a Black man by patting him on the head and saying "it's okay, I know you darkies don't know any better".

I see. You're judgmental, but you consider my attitude to be "rank bigotry." :lol: Obviously you don't treat everyone the same or you wouldn't be on and on about this while ignoring everything bush_cheney has been saying regarding crimes and white men.

Sorry, but I'm the one who holds everyone up to the same standards. I was very angry and appalled over the treatment of the Duke lacrosse team, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and slander blacks in retaliation.

So keep your moronic insinuations about me to yourself and try concentrating on the actual issue.

August 3, 2009

I'm not sure if Whites do molest children at a higher rate than Blacks do. It wouldn't surprise me, actually, since, most child molestation takes place within the family and, unlike most Black men, White men tend to actually hang around with their women after they've gotten them pregnant.

That's not "rank bigotry" at all, eh? That's just you holding everyone up to the same standard. :rolleyes:

"29% of child sexual abuse offenders are relatives, 60% are acquaintances, and only 11% are strangers."

-Diana Russell, The Secret Trauma, NY:Basic Books, 1986.

So much for your claim that most child molestation is at that hands of the 'man who got the woman pregnant.'

Edited August 3, 2009 by American Woman

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

I've seen no evidence to support this. We didn't have welfare in past generations for immigrants who couldn't work to. We didn't have pogey and we didn't have health care to abuse. When you came to Canada you worked or you starved. In more recent days, the statistics are fairly clear, and I've posed them before, that immigrants used to perform far better economically than todays immigrants do. The trend has been going down for the last twenty years largely, imho, because the gap between the linguistic/educational/skill levels of Canadians and newcomers is far higher than it used to be, and there are far fewer jobs available to those without skills and who are unable to effectively communicate.

The nature of the problems may have been different, but problems existed. Christie Ptt riots anyone? also, while it is true (to some extent, not totally) that agricultural immigrants were more likely to live in the same conditions as their Canadian neighbours, the same did not hold true for urban immigrants.

As for the claim that the linguistic skills gap is far higher... Eastern and Southern European immigrants were as likely to know no English when arriving here than Middle Eastern immigrants today.

And regarding skills. That we have a lack of doctors, to cite one example, while immigrant doctors drive taxis is the sign of a structural problem, not an immigration problem. We should have mechanisms in place to evaluate foreign credentials and skills, yet what we have is insufficient for the task.

You make the claim that Canadians were suspicious and resentful of newcomers back then, and that is certainly true. But you ignore the fact that those Canadians in years long past were, as most people were at the time, a fairly xenophobic, provincial, and socially backward people. Of course they were suspicious of newcomers. We are not, however, of that mentality now.

One only has to come to this site to realize that the mentality is still alive and well.

What you fail to understand - completely - is that we have absolutely no responsibility - none - zero - to be "fair" to every single national grouping out there, and treat them all the same with regards to who we do and don't let into Canada. They are not Canadians. We have no responsibility towards them whatever.

What YOU REFUSE to consider, absolutely, is that we owe it to OURSELVES to live by the same principles we preach to the World. Starting with the notion that individuals are to be treated as such, not on the basis of what other individuals do. Also, how can we claim we believe in innocent until proven guilty if our message to would be immigrant "you're a criminal until proven otherwise, and we are not interested in even looking at the proof"?

The point of immigration is to bring to Canada those people who would make the best contribution to Canada.

Exactly. Yet, you have no problem with excluding people who could do exactly that, based on the absurdist notion that since SOME people who share an ethnicity, national origin or religion with them have committed crimes, we should assume all of them are likely ro do it.

Edited August 3, 2009 by CANADIEN

CANADIEN · August 3, 2009

Whether in Canada, the United States or the UK, a predilection towards violent crime by the Black community has been fairly well noted among everyone other than the politically correct.

Not more crimes commited by Blacks. Not a higher percertage of Blacks committing crimes. No - a predilection. Most, if not all of them do it. :lol: :lol: :lol: