Why do Black men rape White women?

[M.Dancer]

Eureka? He has not posted here since Stephen Harper became Prime Minister. He may have died, either of old age or of heart-attack resulting from election-related rage.

Your little Globe and Mail survey makes no attempt to support your claim or dispute mine, so I hardly see it as a "Eureka".

I did find this after about 3 seconds of Googling, however:

Interracial Dating

I suspect that this "cosmopolitan community" exists only within the walls of Chez Morris.

-k

I suspect a 9 year old survey from another country would be all that you would get from 3 seconds of googling...

Might be just me but I believe there are differences between Canada and the US, one of which is relations between races.

[M.Dancer]

This is such a very important question, whether white men are attracted to black women, maybe we should bring it to higher authority, like the GG or Oprah....

[benny]

Why?

He had a white mother.

[GostHacked]

In Edmonton, I saw black men out and about with white women 10 times more often than I saw the reverse.

Here in interior BC, there are far fewer black people, but the same trend is obvious.

I don't have any statistics regarding interracial dating, but I'm highly confident that most people's anecdotal evidence says the same. (in other words, I think you're full of shit, Morris. )

-k

Kimmy, when I was in Vancouver this summer, one of the first things I noticed is that there were not many blacks or people from the middle east. It seemed half Asian and half white and a noticeable spanish population. Ottawa has a great deal more blacks, and people from the middle east. It's an interesting comparison between the two cities.

[kimmy]

I suspect a 9 year old survey from another country would be all that you would get from 3 seconds of googling...

Well, 4 more seconds could have turned up 2006 statistics, but who has that kind of time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_m...reau_statistics

Might be just me but I believe there are differences between Canada and the US, one of which is relations between races.

I would think that American information would be relevant in discussing the American statistics in this thread.

This is such a very important question, whether white men are attracted to black women, maybe we should bring it to higher authority, like the GG or Oprah....

haha, you scoff at my use of American statistics, yet you had to go to the United States to find a 2nd example?

I doubt the figures are very different for Canada, and I don't believe that *your* anecdotal information is any reason to think otherwise. Canada and the US may have different histories regarding race relations... but we share too much culture for things to be much different. I can't think of one good reason to think that Canadian white men are approaching black women in numbers that their American counterparts are not.

-k

[M.Dancer]

I doubt the figures are very different for Canada,

-k

Apparently they are....

Nonetheless, Canadians do appear more accepting of interracial relations than Americans. According to a poll in the mid-1990s, 87% of Canadians approved of marriages between whites and minorities. While this survey didn’t specify the respondents’ race, another conducted ten years earlier with French Canadian whites showed 88% to be in favor of black-white marriages. In contrast, the figure for white Americans was only 61% in a 1997 Gallup poll. A survey in Alabama revealed an even lower number, with just 31% of white respondents endorsing miscegenation.

http://www.urbanmozaik.com/2002.may/may02_...ace.canada.html

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I can't think of one good reason to think that Canadian white men are approaching black women in numbers that their American counterparts are not.

Aside from their historical and cultural baggage?

Which might explain....

Of these couples, 53% consisted of a woman who was a visible minority and a man who was not, and 47% the reverse.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/0...040608b-eng.htm

Not a wide gulf by any definition

[bush_cheney2004]

....I can't think of one good reason to think that Canadian white men are approaching black women in numbers that their American counterparts are not.

It is interesting that many only choose this perspective, when it is just as valid to explore women seeking men, of any "race".

Edited August 12, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

....haha, you scoff at my use of American statistics, yet you had to go to the United States to find a 2nd example?

Why is there no readily available data for Canada? What does "visible minority" mean without data to back such nonsense up?

As for sourcing US data, it is a common practice here at MLW and many other Canadian venues, including the CBC. A story is seemingly not complete without such comparisons to the Americans.

[Argus]

Eureka!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article677491.ece

I see no reason beyond Kimmy's anecdotal observations to suggest the unions are skewed to one gender or another. In otherwords I doubt there are an over whelming number of black men with white women over the obverse.

Let's try something not very politically correct.

It is known that Black men, in selecting partners, have shown a marked preference for Black women who are lighter skinned. The lighter the skin tone, and more European the features, the more beautiful and popular a Black women is to Black men. It is not any stretch from that to think that to an awful lot of Black men, White women would simply be even more attractive. I'm not getting into the sociological reasons for this, just stating it as I undersetand it to be.

The converse is that White men, like Black men, but, presumably, to an even greater extent, would tend to find White women more attractive than Black women, and would not find Black women, especially those with darker skin and less caucasian features, to be very attractive.

Virtually every popular Black actress/singer who I can think of is has lighter skin/ more caucasian features.

PS, this marked preference for lighter skin also extends to Asia and in particular, India.

Edited August 12, 2009 by Argus

[M.Dancer]

The converse is that White men, like Black men, but, presumably, to an even greater extent, would tend to find White women more attractive than Black women, and would not find Black women, especially those with darker skin and less caucasian features, to be very attractive.

So you are saying then, white men prefer albinos over say, a tanned so-cal beach bunny?

I can only go with my own preferences which simply puts beauty and grace over colour.

And Yes, I find african-african women to be a lovely as any other.

[M.Dancer]

Virtually every popular Black actress/singer who I can think of is has lighter skin/ more caucasian features.

Like ....

http://www.superiorpics.com/news/pic/dionn..._001_060408.jpg

http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/are...ranklin1024.jpg

http://orgs.tntech.edu/aka/Famous%20Sorors/ella.jpg

http://www.vibe.com/images/celebs/jennifer_hudson.jpg

http://entertainmentrundown.com/wp-content...dysknight08.jpg

http://jdsallaberry.free.fr/soulmen/media/...iv/phillips.jpg

http://history.sandiego.edu/GEN/st/~bhamann/marywells.jpg

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/rav...-300a100606.jpg

http://addins.wgem.com/blogs/sports/wp-con...8/11/whoopi.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nell_Carter.jpg

[benny]

Like ....

http://www.superiorpics.com/news/pic/dionn..._001_060408.jpg

Is it too old to open!?

[bush_cheney2004]

....Virtually every popular Black actress/singer who I can think of is has lighter skin/ more caucasian features.

Obviously a very short list for you.

[benny]

Obviously a very short list for you.

Light Black is a grey list.

[M.Dancer]

Now I would not suggest that the fashion world is any arbireur of beauty, never the less, if you don't know who this is, chances are you think you think a woman's jacket needs ample shoulder pads....

http://www.hellomagazine.ca/profiles/alekwek/alek-wek-pb.jpg

Now just between you and me, she doesn't strike me as white or having european features

[benny]

Now I would not suggest that the fashion world is any arbireur of beauty, never the less, if you don't know who this is, chances are you think you think a woman's jacket needs ample shoulder pads....

http://www.hellomagazine.ca/profiles/alekwek/alek-wek-pb.jpg

Now just between you and me, she doesn't strike me as white or having european features

About her cross!?

[Rue]

Wow.

I was gonna say oy but then he may have something to say about that too.

Some days Lily I just want to be a whale and buzz off and hide in the ocean

far from humans.

[Rue]

This is such a very important question, whether white men are attracted to black women, maybe we should bring it to higher authority, like the GG or Oprah....

How about moi? I have been married to a black woman for twenty years and I am a Jew dude

who is what you would call one of them there red haired whiteys.

I was attracted to my wife because of who she was, i.e., her sense of ethics,

honesty, moral values, cleanliness, gentility.

To be honest in my prime I would have slept with any woman who was beautiful and I think

I tried. If a woman is gorgeous, it is the responsibility of all hetero sexual men to

drool over her.

There are all kinds of theories why people marry who they do and what I am saying is

sometimes a cigar is only a cigar and its as simple a reason as I stated.

In fact when you are married to someone of another race you forget that-it is the last

thing on your mind. Its not what you see.

It is true that world-wide the lighter the shade of skin, the more value was assigned to a woman.

Within the black world that same mentality prevailed.

In the Asian world lighter skinned Indian or Pakistani or Arab women, etc., were subject to that same

caste system of beauty and in the Oriental world Korean, Japanese, Chinese women, still operate to enlargen their eyes and change the shape of their nose to look white.

Its interesting. If I took a very dark skinned black or Asian woman and brought her to Scandinavia the men would

hero-worship her and have. Send that same woman to Japan probably not.

Send a white woman to Scandinavia, probably no reaction, send her to India or China, probably the same reaction the Scandinavians would have over the dark skinned women.

We consider things attractive when they are exotic on a superficial level.

We also have a primal urge to have sex outside our race precisely because we instinctually know it expands the gene pool and makes it more likely are offspring will be healthy and yet humans of many cultures and religions go out of their way to resist assimilation by in-breeding.

If I was a healthy young man again, I would do what I did in the past and that is charm any woman who smells good and is cute with my brilliance and wit and I suggest if you are a young man you have an obligation to

all hetero-sexuals to charm as many beautiful women as you can.

I never met a black women I did not fall in love with well except Serena Williams because she is scary and also Oprah because she looks real scary these days and also Tyra Banks because her head looks like a light bulb.

That said, this thread started over some defective statistics about sex crimes. I can tell you after 20 years in the court

system working with sex criminals, they come in every colour, race, ethnicity, culture. Name the group, they have

them.

Again their are all kinds of theories but I can tell you this, the common demoniator with rape is not race but gender and an evironment where the rapist grew up without limitations, particularly those concerning physical boundaries.

I can also echo what a poster said and that is most rapes are never reported and believe it or not the majority are usually done in families and by people the victim knew.

Stranger rape is far less common than familiarity rape if I may use those terms.

Rape is about a power imbalance and the use of violence based on that power imbalance to impose physical actions on another too physically weak to prevent it-no more, no less. To suggest it is prevalent in blacks more than whites is

impossible to prove and would make no logical sense from what we see as the common behaviour in all men.

There are certain genetic predispositions for such behaviour but these predispositions are not particular to

any one race, i.e., a missing x chromosone.

Once we are on the topic I would like to try last one night with Venus Williams. I saw her in person at the airport. The woman had the nicest buttox and legs I have ever seen although she looks like she could have beaten me up or killed me. But hey I am allowed to think such things as long as my wife does not know.

I would like before I die to hace sex with women on every continent and in every country. Its one of those goals I set for myself I am not sure will come true. That and the Nobel peace prize.

[M.Dancer]

“I am black but lovely,

O daughters of Jerusalem,

Like the tents of Kedar,

Like the curtains of Solomon.

Do not stare at me because I am swarthy,

For the sun has burned me.

My mother’s sons were angry with me;

They made me caretaker of the vineyards,

But I have not taken care of my own vineyard.

[tango]

That said, this thread started over some defective statistics about sex crimes. I can tell you after 20 years in the court

system working with sex criminals, they come in every colour, race, ethnicity, culture. Name the group, they have

them.

Again their are all kinds of theories but I can tell you this, the common demoniator with rape is not race but gender and an evironment where the rapist grew up without limitations, particularly those concerning physical boundaries.

I'm curious about this last statement. Can you elaborate a bit more on this?

Are you talking about inappropriate sexual behaviour or sexual abuse by parents/older sibs?

[benny]

There are all kinds of theories

The psychoanalytic theory with its phallic castration concept is the most renowned theory and has showed its efficiency in clinics since Freud time.

[kimmy]

Apparently they are....

http://www.urbanmozaik.com/2002.may/may02_...ace.canada.html

Your survey shows Canadians apparently are more supportive of interracial marriage as a group... and yet when it comes down to who's doing what...

In 2001, mixed unions represented

3.2%

of all people living in couples in Canada compared with 2.6% a decade earlier.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/0...040608b-eng.htm

With the introduction of the "mixed-race" category, the 2000 census showed interracial marriage to be somewhat further widespread, accounting for 2,669,558 such marriages, or

4.9%

of the total.

...like many other areas, Canadians do like to talk a good game.

Aside from their historical and cultural baggage?

Historical baggage or not, Americans appear to be *more* open to interracial partnerships than Canadians.

Which might explain....

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/0...040608b-eng.htm

Not a wide gulf by any definition

That statistic does nothing to support your claim, and for you to be waving it in my face suggesting it does indicates that either you're not that bright or that you think I'm not that bright. I know you're bright, Dancer, so I'm a little insulted that you'd think I'd be gulled by sleight of hand like this.

Interestingly, the table in the wikipedia article for US statistics shows an identical result (of whites in interracial unions, 53% are male, 47% are female) yet still shows white women with black men 2.5 times more often as the reverse. Wait, how is that possible? It's possible because white men marry asian women far more often than white women marry asian men (another trend which anybody who's honest will recognize in Canada as well.)

-k

[Oleg Bach]

Cos' black men are dumb - but smart enough to unconsciously want to breed with white people to improve their gene pool? BUT really don't have a cultural base to be able to idenitfy good white breeding material hense - welfare mothers with pale brown babies? How the hell do I know why someone rapes..maybe they have poor social skills - maybe they are animals - seeing that we are in a society that wants us debased to being lower than animals - I don't see what all the fuss is about..

[M.Dancer]

Historical baggage or not, Americans appear to be *more* open to interracial partnerships than Canadians.

-k

Say again?

Nonetheless, Canadians do appear more accepting of interracial relations than Americans. According to a poll in the mid-1990s, 87% of Canadians approved of marriages between whites and minorities. While this survey didn’t specify the respondents’ race, another conducted ten years earlier with French Canadian whites showed 88% to be in favor of black-white marriages. In contrast, the figure for white Americans was only 61% in a 1997 Gallup poll.

[kimmy]

It is interesting that many only choose this perspective, when it is just as valid to explore women seeking men, of any "race".

Well, let's be realistic. When men and women meet, who initiates contact 90% of the time?

Sure, there's exceptions (me, for instance. When I first met my former special guy of 6 years, I knew that was what I wanted and pursued it with kim-like vigor.) But it is men doing the "seeking" in the vast majority of cases.

I know from experience that black men are not at all shy about approaching white women. I see nothing to indicate that white men are as outgoing about approaching black women, and I see nothing to indicate women of any race are very outgoing about approaching men of any race.

Why is there no readily available data for Canada?

Because Americans have had this conversation many times (out of necessity, perhaps) while Canadians are terrified of discussing race in any terms other than "paint with all the colors of the wind" type platitudes.

As for sourcing US data, it is a common practice here at MLW and many other Canadian venues, including the CBC. A story is seemingly not complete without such comparisons to the Americans.

American data has been referenced repeatedly in this thread due to a complete lack of any equivalent Canadian data.

This thread is actually an offshoot of the "Hate Crime in Courtenay BC" thread, in which I posted American statistics regarding interracial violence in response to the notion being promoted in that discussion, which was of white people going about beating up minorities. I'd have loved to have Canadian stats, but such information is forbidden in Canada... it's too dangerous, we're not allowed to know. Someone invoked financial reasons (if blacks attack whites, it's probably because they're hungry or need cash, while if whites attack blacks it's because they're hateful nazi-types.) Argus, seeking to dismiss financial excuses from the equation, thought sexual assault would be a difficult crime to rationalize in terms of needing cash.

-k