Why do Black men rape White women?

[benny]

Racism is a very useful prejudice, when one has preexisting prejudices against women (or unions) but nonetheless wants to protect his sex drive (or job benefits).

Edited August 6, 2009 by benny

[CANADIEN]

I believe even Argus himself makes the mistake of jumping from correlation (crime vs race) to causation.

This is a fatal flaw in his argument. He goes from a fact based discussion (blacks commit proportionally more crimes) to personal assumptions (it`s because of such-and-such a reason). I may have missed it, and I hope I have, but I don`t think I saw a study that proved root causes.

The fatal flaw is the conclusion that Blacks, as a group, have a predilection for rape, specifically raping white women. Predilection means preference. Even the worst statistics on the issue of rape do not support that conclusion and, quite frankly, it does not make sense.

Edited August 6, 2009 by CANADIEN

[Michael Hardner]

To say they have a predilection for it, is to say that that is the reason for the situation, i.e. the root cause.

I didn't see anyone use that term, but that would be an example of not asking 'why' enough.

[CANADIEN]

To say they have a predilection for it, is to say that that is the reason for the situation, i.e. the root cause.

I didn't see anyone use that term, but that would be an example of not asking 'why' enough.

I will stand (slightly) corrected. The actual claim was that Blacks have a predilection for violence.

If we look at the United States, data from sources such as Uniform Crime Reporting and stats on prison population indicates that percentage wise a higher proportion of Blacks commit crimes copared to other groups. Those numbers, however, do not support the claim of a predilection for violence. The majority of Blacks do not commit crimes.

[bush_cheney2004]

....If we look at the United States, data from sources such as Uniform Crime Reporting and stats on prison population indicates that percentage wise a higher proportion of Blacks commit crimes copared to other groups. Those numbers, however, do not support the claim of a predilection for violence. The majority of Blacks do not commit crimes.

Again, the data supports arrest and conviction rates, which are also higher for "Blacks" in the "justice system".

[benny]

Again, the data supports arrest and conviction rates, which are also higher for "Blacks" in the "justice system".

These Blacks are linked to their ancestors who were handpicked by white slavers.

[Michael Hardner]

CANADIEN

I will stand (slightly) corrected. The actual claim was that Blacks have a predilection for violence.

If we look at the United States, data from sources such as Uniform Crime Reporting and stats on prison population indicates that percentage wise a higher proportion of Blacks commit crimes copared to other groups. Those numbers, however, do not support the claim of a predilection for violence. The majority of Blacks do not commit crimes.

Please link to it if you can.

A 'predilection for violence' is a root cause, and the most insidious kind. It indicates that a race simply likes violence, presumably because they're biologically predisposed to it.

And... it's not the numbers that fail to support the claim, it is the lack of a causal link.

[bush_cheney2004]

These Blacks are linked to their ancestors who were handpicked by white slavers.

Bullshit....more racist rantings.

[Tawasakm]

The two most significant posters on this topic here are listor and tawaskm, two posters that Argus doesn`t refer to that much.

Its nice to know that you read my posts and found enough merit in them to comment on them. I don't think anybody really refers to them much so I guess there is little point in singling out Argus. I think you single out the most important element in any kind of research or discussion - the continued use of 'why' is central to creating the best possible outcomes.

[Michael Hardner]

Tawaskm,

I found a reason for optimism in your post.

Western Democracy was founded on the idea that the common man could be trusted with knowledge and that education is the path to improvement of our lives.

[benny]

Bullshit....more racist rantings.

Slaves were big business for the very white DeWolf family.

[CANADIEN]

I have seen the following list of factors influencing crime rates, in Uniform Crime peorting reports of various US states.

Crime reporting practices of the citizenry.

Public attitudes toward law enforcement and crime.

The size, density and demographic composition of a jurisdiction's population.

Economic status of the population and area unemployment rates.

Population stability including the number of commuters, transients, and seasonal population variations.

Climate. [my note; ???]

Cultural conditions, such as educational, recreational, and religious characteristics.

Community family values.

Law enforcement employment standards and relative strength.

Policies of the prosecuting officials and the courts.

The administrative and investigative efficiency of the local law enforcement agency, including the degree of adherence to crime reporting standards.

I would assume that they count things such as perceptions of other segments of the population as a cultural factor, and I'll keep it at that.

Rape is a particular crime in that, along with domestic abuse, power is often the motivation. Hatred (of a gender in general, or a person in particular) is also, imho, a factor in more case than with let's say, robbery. I believe it is not illogical to assume that in some cases rapes can be motivated by hatred towards certain racial, ethnic or cultural groups. There is no data to corroborate this, though.

[CANADIEN]

Bullshit....more racist rantings.

Now, now, in defense of benny, I don't believe he thinks enough about what he posts for his postings to qualify as racist.

Edited August 6, 2009 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Its nice to know that you read my posts and found enough merit in them to comment on them. I don't think anybody really refers to them much so I guess there is little point in singling out Argus. I think you single out the most important element in any kind of research or discussion - the continued use of 'why' is central to creating the best possible outcomes.

What can I say? There is not much to add or comment on your postings besides the fact thatyou are basiccally right.

[benny]

Now, now, in defense of benny, I don't believe he thinks enough about what he posts for his postings to qualify as racist.

Like if racism was the result of a thinking process!

[Michael Hardner]

Like if racism was the result of a thinking process!

Actually, benny, it is the result of a thinking process - just not enough thinking. This may be why the type of dialogue in this thread is good - somone's initial observation of a relationship between race and crime can be progressed and debunked with discussion.

[CANADIEN]

CANADIEN

Please link to it if you can.

Whether in Canada, the United States or the UK, a predilection towards violent crime by the Black community has been fairly well noted among everyone other than the politically correct.

A 'predilection for violence' is a root cause, and the most insidious kind. It indicates that a race simply likes violence, presumably because they're biologically predisposed to it.

And... it's not the numbers that fail to support the claim, it is the lack of a causal link.

I could argue it's both, plus logical thinking.

[CANADIEN]

Again, the data supports arrest and conviction rates, which are also higher for "Blacks" in the "justice system".

You are right.

[bush_cheney2004]

.....Rape is a particular crime in that, along with domestic abuse, power is often the motivation. Hatred (of a gender in general, or a person in particular) is also, imho, a factor in more case than with let's say, robbery. I believe it is not illogical to assume that in some cases rapes can be motivated by hatred towards certain racial, ethnic or cultural groups. There is no data to corroborate this, though.

....or the simple number of "White women" in the general population. So entrenched is the OP's bias, the ludicrous assumption is that "Black men" should only rape "Black women" ?

[benny]

Actually, benny, it is the result of a thinking process - just not enough thinking.

Racism is the result of a refusal to think rather.

[Michael Hardner]

I could argue it's both, plus logical thinking.

CANADIEN - not to nitpick, but the numbers could indeed support a conclusion that race is the 'cause' and it wouldn't necessarily mean that the majority of that race were violent. All the numbers - independent of cause - would need to show was a significant difference than the norm.

[benny]

CANADIEN - not to nitpick, but the numbers could indeed support a conclusion that race is the 'cause' and it wouldn't necessarily mean that the majority of that race were violent. All the numbers - independent of cause - would need to show was a significant difference than the norm.

For me, racism is a political cause. This means that I try to break the causality in between the skin color and all other social circumstances.

[CANADIEN]

....or the simple number of "White women" in the general population. So entrenched is the OP's bias, the ludicrous assumption is that "Black men" should only rape "Black women" ?

Mo man should rape any woman, period (or any man, and no woman should rape anyone).

If your posting is a reflection of a belief that I am attempting to highlight hatred of other groups as a factor in some rapes, you are knocking at the wrong door (and of course, if I misread you, my apologies).

[CANADIEN]

CANADIEN - not to nitpick, but the numbers could indeed support a conclusion that race is the 'cause' and it wouldn't necessarily mean that the majority of that race were violent. All the numbers - independent of cause - would need to show was a significant difference than the norm.

You're not nitpicking, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Edited August 6, 2009 by CANADIEN

[bush_cheney2004]

CANADIEN - not to nitpick, but the numbers could indeed support a conclusion that race is the 'cause' and it wouldn't necessarily mean that the majority of that race were violent. All the numbers - independent of cause - would need to show was a significant difference than the norm.

Regression and correlation analysis can be performed for dependent and independent variables. However, "race" as an attribute variable presents a challenge, compared to say, homicides vs. handgun ownership. But we could control for all known factors and determine the strongest indicators if not actual cause.

Frankly, I'd prefer to watch "A Clockwork Orange" instead.