Why do Black men rape White women?

[benny]

Gee, because that wouldn't be a hate crime, now would it.

Ridiculous! Misogyny is not a skin color.

[Oleg Bach]

Ridiculous! Misogyny is not a skin color.

Jezzz I thought that the new program was the men were now offically another race? Nothing wrong with a bit of racism and exclution and persecution -----Those who go for the missogny thing will also partake in the Misterogeny deal also - people who look at the opposite sex as another race have no problem being pricks to ALL ...including other races.

[CANADIEN]

Congratulations. Every time I think you've bottomed out with the most inane, moronic posting, you manage to climb still lower. I think you're in a competition to become the new Oleg. Unfortunately, you don't have his oddball charm.

You talk to yourself like that very often?

[CANADIEN]

I remember seein a documentary once on health care in the Soviet Union. The point I remember most was the incredible incompetence of most Russian doctors. Few of them would even qualify as nurses in Canada. You want us to take in doctors from third world countries, who probably aren't even as qualified as those Russians, and let them look after our kids?

Nice try. what I want is for the creditentials of people who come saying "I'm a doctor" to be evaluated. What is the school they graduated from? How good is it? Can they actually do the job? I know it is much more simplistic err I mean simplier to assume any doctor trained outside of the countries you decided are good enough cannot make a good doctor, but I know it is more logical to actually find out if they actually are good enough or not.

I could ask you if you to have our kids deal with a shortage of doctor, but I will let you have the monopoly on stupid questions.

As opposed to that of the Quebec, who look first to language, second to language, third to religion, fourth to skin colour, then let in a very few immigrants, right? But no one would question their right to screen immigrants on whatever critiera they think is best to protect their culture.

Interesting, isn't it, considering that one quarter of immigrants to Quebec comes from North Africa. Number one, two and three countries are usually (and not necessarily in theat order all the time), Algeria, France, and Morocco. And you know of course that the second largest Haitian community outside of Haiti itself is in Montreal? (after New York)

BTW, they check language twice?

Let anyone else suggest that maybe we should have some consideration for our culture and values in the face of massive immigration, and the brainless little PC types start squealing aobut racism.

I will admit, I just LOVE the way you pick and choose the values you can twist to fit your prejudice.

Well, I've noticed you don't seem to be a very honest person. Perhaps, in addition to lying to everyone here, you lie to yourself, as well.

Talking to yourself again?

Better trained immigration personel. More resources. Longer residency requirement before becoming citizens. End to the family reunification (you come in, your spouse comes in, your minor children come in, your parents can visit with a visa or better still you can go visit them). More emphasis on skills needed to the work place, and knowledge of one or both of our official languages. references and strict check on them. Criminal record check. Faster refugee determination system. Faster, more efficient immigration system. Immediate deportation of non-citizens who commit crimes (after they served their full sentence). Making would-be immigrants fully aware of who we are as a country, and what our values are.

This is what I want, and I have made it clear. The only reason why you believe this is lwoering our standards is because I "fail" to include "and don't even bother asking for an application form if you are a Muslim or Black".

Edited August 5, 2009 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Don't even try to put words in my mouth. You have a hard enough time coming up with your own without setting the room to snickering.

You chose to use the word predilection. Not me. And the choice was intentional. But thank you for the good laugh.

[Remiel]

It's not a difficult assumption to make.

I think then perhaps you should take another look at what kimmy said earlier and start thinking about how it relates to yourself.

[benny]

Jezzz I thought that the new program was the men were now offically another race? Nothing wrong with a bit of racism and exclution and persecution -----Those who go for the missogny thing will also partake in the Misterogeny deal also - people who look at the opposite sex as another race have no problem being pricks to ALL ...including other races.

I think Argus has no new "program".

[CANADIEN]

I don't know, but thanks for making my point for me. In those cases, the media, police and activists are all over them, trying to find any evidence that it was a "hate crime". However, none of them pay the slightest attention to the reverse - nor do you.

Sure it happens from activists. The same way some will take any instance of rape of a White woman by a Black man as a "proof" that Black males are all savage animals roaming the streets looking for white women to rape. But the press? The police? The press is doing what will sell copies.

]Gee, because that wouldn't be a hate crime, now would it.

Rape is more often than not a crime of hate. Hate against a woman in particular, or all women in general.

Sure you get it. But you're not as into caring about rape and sexual violence against women as you are into defending black men from any and all accusations.

Nice try. YOU only care about rape and sexual violence as long as it serves your prejudice.

Edited August 5, 2009 by CANADIEN

[benny]

To go deeper into this topic remember that Sade was a moralist.

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/desade.htm

Edited August 5, 2009 by benny

[CANADIEN]

Are there, proportionally, more Black than White rapists in North America? Yes

Are there cases when racial hatred is a motivation for a rape? Absolutely.

Are most interracial rapes committed by Black men against white women? Because of methodology problems. I can't rely on any number provided here, regardless of whether they confirm or infirm that hypothesis.

Does the Black community have a predilection for rape? No.

Edited August 5, 2009 by CANADIEN

[benny]

In Africa, perpetrating genocides is said to be a motivation for raping women.

[bush_cheney2004]

Are there, proportionally, more Black than White rapists in North America? Yes

The data only support arrests and conviction rates, not all sexual assaults.

Are there cases when racial hatred is a motivation for a rape? Absolutely.

Complex dynamic....which race.....victim or perp?

Are most interracial rapes committed by Black men against Black women? Because of methodology problems. I can't rely on any number provided here, regardless of whether they confirm or infirm that hypothesis.

Black on black crime is not considered "interracial", but I don't think it's important anyway.

Does the Black community have a predilection for rape? No.

Agreed.

[CANADIEN]

The data only support arrests and conviction rates, not all sexual assaults.

Fair enough

Complex dynamic....which race.....victim or perp?

the perp. Since rape is often a crime of hatred, it is logical to conclude that in some cases racial hatred is the perp's motivation.

Black on black crime is not considered "interracial", but I don't think it's important anyway.

Wrote the wrong word, and corrected it already. Apologies to all for the mistake.

[JB Globe]

There is no widespread discrimination in Canada towards visible minorities.

In case you're wondering, it's statements like this which make me doubt your claims of having a bunch of non-white friends. You didn't even say "little discrimination" you claimed there is NONE. Which, if you did have non-white friends, you'd never come to that conclusion - assuming you talked with them about this subject, and took their word for their experiences.

And if I've learned one thing for certain - whenever someone claims that there is no discrimination, there's usually at least some discrimination, if not more - and a lot of denial going on.

And if there were, why do people from certain visible minority communities do far better, economically, than from others?

There are many reasons: some communities have higher rates of people who came as refugees than others, some communities do a better job of organizing and supporting themselves than others, and some have natural advantages because of their country of origin's history (ie - people from strong democratic countries like India, are better able to get involved in Canadian politics) .

Also, there's the "difference factor" - xenophobes always focus their attention on whatever is PERCEIVED AS different to their own "true Canadian self" In the 19th century it was Catholics, in the 1930s it was us Jews, and now - racially it's black Canadians, and religiously it's Muslims.

Even within the Black community (which is hardly homogenous in Canada) individuals from some nations do far worse than others and appear to be involved in criminal violence far more than others.

So, if you admit the US data is non-applicable here, why did you post it in the first place?

The poverty of the Black community in Canada is not due to discrimination.

At all? Zero? - See, this is why I say you're in denial, because you're so absolute that there's no such thing as discrimination. Even someone who may agree with your line of thinking, but who is rational, would look at the available evidence and come to the conclusion that discrimination is at least PARTLY to blame.

Canada was once a nation which was proud to claim it had no slums, had no violent street gangs. It can make no such claim now.

Are you being honest when you write stuff like this? Or are you fully aware of how ridiculous this sounds?

The closest thing Canada has to a slum is Gastown and the vicinity in Vancouver. And that isn't a result of immigration. Also, I'd like to know that in comparison to what other large North American cities you believe Canadian cities have a major street gang problem? From what I can tell, even our worst years are better than most American cities' best years - and they don't have nearly the immigration rates we do.

[M.Dancer]

You didn't even say "little discrimination" you claimed there is NONE.

To be fair, he claimed there "was no widespread" discrimination. That certainly leaves ample room for isolated discrimination or sporadic.

I tend to agree with Argus here. I think racists and racsim is marginalized and wide spread racism is a thing of the past.

[bush_cheney2004]

the perp. Since rape is often a crime of hatred, it is logical to conclude that in some cases racial hatred is the perp's motivation.

Correct, but for the wrong reason (in some cases). The dynamic is complex because of self hatred, definition of "race", and other societal factors that influence such behaviors. "Interracial" is a simple minded idea.

Wrote the wrong word, and corrected it already. Apologies to all for the mistake.

I suspected as much, but didn't want to assume your intent.

[CANADIEN]

To be fair, he claimed there "was no widespread" discrimination. That certainly leaves ample room for isolated discrimination or sporadic.

I tend to agree with Argus here. I think racists and racsim is marginalized and wide spread racism is a thing of the past.

On that, I would tend to agree... to some extend. I think prejudice is still there, but more people are now able and willing to see past that.

[bush_cheney2004]

....I tend to agree with Argus here. I think racists and racsim is marginalized and wide spread racism is a thing of the past.

Institutionalized racism is still very much a "wide spread" problem. It is far easier to recognize and deal with ignorant people on an individual level.

[M.Dancer]

Institutionalized racism is still very much a "wide spread" problem. It is far easier to recognize and deal with ignorant people on an individual level.

for example, what would you call institutionalized racism?

[CANADIEN]

"Interracial" is a simple minded idea.

I would tend to agree with that statement of yours... to some extent.

The concept of race is a categorization, and a fuzzy one at that. But it is very much part of how many of us identify ourselves and others. In that contect, while the notion of interracial rape is, to the surface of it, simple-minded, it still has its utility, if only to debunk myths.

Edited August 5, 2009 by CANADIEN

[bush_cheney2004]

for example, what would you call institutionalized racism?

Oh, I am sure you know the littany of examples often trotted out, but just may not agree with any or all of them:

1) the legacies of past racism in education, employment, political office, etc.

2) chronic and systemic Native "American" disenfranchisement.

3) other inter-cultural / social racism and exclusionary preferences

4) racism embedded in language and pop culture products

[M.Dancer]

1) the legacies of past racism in education, employment, political office, etc.

That needs more info

2) chronic and systemic Native "American" disenfranchisement.

They can't vote?

3) other inter-cultural / social racism and exclusionary preferences

How would Koreans not liking Chinese...or Greeks not liking Turks be counted as institutionalized racism?

4) racism embedded in language and pop culture products

Uncle Ben's? Aunt Jemimah?

WhenI thnk of institutionalized racism, I think of universities with race quotas and such. Or profiling...

[bush_cheney2004]

....The concept of race is a categorization, and a fuzzy one at that. But it is very much part of how many of us identify ourselves and others. In that contect, while the notion of interracial rape is, to the surface of it, simple-minded, it still has its utility, if only to debunk myths.

Right...the concept is dehumanizing and only serves to further a social pathology. "Interracial" labels appeal to a certain segment of society for a variety of reasons, from "Mandingo Love" to outright bigotry in its most base form. Yes, it has utility, but we have better understanding and language for such discussion these days.

Edited August 5, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[CANADIEN]

That needs more info

They can't vote?

How would Koreans not liking Chinese...or Greeks not liking Turks be counted as institutionalized racism?

Uncle Ben's? Aunt Jemimah?

WhenI thnk of institutionalized racism, I think of universities with race quotas and such. Or profiling...

I wonder if the term instituionalized is the best discriber here, and if the examples provided here all fit neatly into that description. Not that I would have a better term to suggest.

[bush_cheney2004]

That needs more info

I simply meant the remnants of past racism that linger in many aspects of public and private life, despite effective mitigation steps taken to date.

They can't vote?

No, they can't stop thinking of an "Obama" as a miracle.

How would Koreans not liking Chinese...or Greeks not liking Turks be counted as institutionalized racism?

Because government facilitates such encounters with the best of intentions but sometimes alarming results.

Uncle Ben's? Aunt Jemimah?

or mocking Asian accents in comedy sketches.

WhenI thnk of institutionalized racism, I think of universities with race quotas and such. Or profiling...

Of course, but those who study such things for fun and profit advertise a far more insidious form of institutionalized racism.

Edited August 5, 2009 by bush_cheney2004