Cheney and the FBI report

punked · July 13, 2009

According to current and former government officials, the agency spent money on planning and possibly some training. It was acting on a 2001 presidential legal pronouncement, known as a finding, which authorized the CIA to pursue such efforts. The initiative hadn't become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it.
WSJ

End of story.

So as long as a program isn't fully operational it didn't happen? The first World Trade centre attack was meant to bring down the towers but didn't which means that plan wasn't fully operational must not have happened? Worst logic ever.

Sir Bandelot · July 13, 2009

End of story.

No, not end of story. All that means is, not all the aspects of this "mystery program" was implemented. We are not told what these aspects are. But for some reason the director immediately cancelled this program. This suggests that it was something quite out of line with the objectives of the current government. If it was merely a directive to capture and kill the terrorist leaders, I'm sure it would have been allowed to continue.

But all we can do is speculate about it, for now. And I'm saying, it's likely they will never fully reveal it or investigate whatever it is, that Cheney wanted to hide from congress.

bush_cheney2004 · July 13, 2009

.....But all we can do is speculate about it, for now. And I'm saying, it's likely they will never fully reveal it or investigate whatever it is, that Cheney wanted to hide from congress.

There are some things that we do not want to expose to sunlight. The Obama administration will have to consider the downside of any such investigation for existing and future operations, in addition to the huge distraction it would be from his domestic political agenda.

Hiding black programs from Congress is hardly new, and if Congress wants a fall guy, I'm sure we can find another hero like Col. Oliver North. Salute! :lol:

Sir Bandelot · July 14, 2009

Of course, Cheney blew his "friend" right in the face, with a shotgun. Heard something like 20 pellets had to be extracted?

DogOnPorch · July 14, 2009

Of course, Cheney blew his "friend" right in the face, with a shotgun. Heard something like 20 pellets had to be extracted?

Well, Mr Cheney was better than most at avoiding the draft to Viet-Nam (5 times!). Not a much experience with actual weapons, I suppose.

:lol:

GostHacked · July 14, 2009

Well, Mr Cheney was better than most at avoiding the draft to Viet-Nam (5 times!). Not a much experience with actual weapons, I suppose.

Indeed, most shotgun blasts to the face are fatal. Cheney must either suck at it, or wanted to 'send a message'. But what was the message?

Shady · July 14, 2009

How can you say that there was no program when it was totaly off the radar?

It wasn't off the radar. Former CIA director General Hayden discussed his knowledge of the initiative. There are certain triggers that must be met before certain members of congress are breifed. The initiative never met those triggers. The initiative never was fully realized as an actual operational program. End of story.

And why was it cancelled if there was no program

The initiative was cancelled. There was no functioning program to cancel.

But yet in your next post you indicate that there was a program, and something to report.

No. It wasn't an actual program. It never attained that final stage.

The bigger question is this. Why are the Dems committing political suicide? Are they honestly going to complain to the American people, that Dick Cheney wanted to concieve of a plan to kill top Al Qaeda leaders after 9/11? :blink: Seriously? Do they think that's a winning strategy for them?

It's as politically suicidal as if Dems challenged some initiative back in the 40's to plan and kill Hilter and his top associates. Go get'em Dems! :lol:

Sir Bandelot · July 14, 2009

QUOTE (Sir Bandelot @ Jul 13 2009, 09:05 PM) -
Of course, Cheney blew his "friend" right in the face, with a shotgun. Heard something like 20 pellets had to be extracted?

Well, Mr Cheney was better than most at avoiding the draft to Viet-Nam (5 times!). Not a much experience with actual weapons, I suppose.

I can easily imagine Cheney willfully shooting someone in the face, at point blank range...

Are you saying that Cheney is incompetent?

DogOnPorch · July 14, 2009

I can easily imagine Cheney willfully shooting someone in the face, at point blank range...
Are you saying that Cheney is incompetent?

Are you saying Cheney tried to murder his hunting chum?

Sir Bandelot · July 14, 2009

Are you saying Cheney tried to murder his hunting chum?

Hardly that... he was just sending a message

GostHacked · July 14, 2009

It wasn't off the radar. Former CIA director General Hayden discussed his knowledge of the initiative. There are certain triggers that must be met before certain members of congress are breifed. The initiative never met those triggers. The initiative never was fully realized as an actual operational program. End of story.

Don't be a fool. Of course there was a program, it may not have been fully executed, but there was a program, which you cannot deny.

The initiative was cancelled. There was no functioning program to cancel.

No, it must have been functioning. Because you only kill programs that are a problem for you.

No. It wasn't an actual program. It never attained that final stage.

Just because it did not reach final stages (and that could be total bullshit because of the secrecy surrounding the program) does not mean it was not an actual program.

The bigger question is this. Why are the Dems committing political suicide? Are they honestly going to complain to the American people, that Dick Cheney wanted to concieve of a plan to kill top Al Qaeda leaders after 9/11? Seriously? Do they think that's a winning strategy for them?

Why was it initiated in the first place? And why was it kept so secret from Congress/Senate? Then you will find the answers to why it was canned.

It's as politically suicidal as if Dems challenged some initiative back in the 40's to plan and kill Hilter and his top associates. Go get'em Dems!

This is a pretty dumb statement. No comparison can be made there.

DogOnPorch · July 14, 2009

Hardly that... he was just sending a message

What message?

Sir Bandelot · July 14, 2009

What message?

"Boom", eh?

:lol:

Sir Bandelot · July 14, 2009

Cheney has come to her ranch to hunt quail once a year for at least 15 years, and she called him "a very conscientious hunter.""I would shoot with Dick Cheney everywhere, anywhere, and not think twice about it," she said

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney/

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2009

...Why was it initiated in the first place? And why was it kept so secret from Congress/Senate? Then you will find the answers to why it was canned.

Because they wanted to keep it secret (lots of possible reasons for that). The US Senate is part of Congress.

GostHacked · July 14, 2009

Because they wanted to keep it secret (lots of possible reasons for that). The US Senate is part of Congress.

OK, now what reasons would it take for it to be kept secret from Congress?

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2009

OK, now what reasons would it take for it to be kept secret from Congress?

What reasons?

1) Information security...protection for sources / methods / partners from disclosure

2) Funding allocation "irregularities"....misappropriations

3) Plausible deniability

There are some "programs" or certain aspects of programs that Congressionial committees do not want to expressly know details about or admit to knowing about. Some of the things that US military and intelligence services engage in are "black" and off-budget for a reason.

Speaker Pelosi's tap dancing around knowledge of "enhanced interrogation" techniques is a great example.

GostHacked · July 14, 2009

What reasons?
1) Information security...protection for sources / methods / partners from disclosure

If they could not keep Valarie Plame from disclosure (they purposely outed her), and I really doubt this is the reason. Unless we have names like Bush and Cheney all over it.

2) Funding allocation "irregularities"....misappropriations

I'd like to know who is cookin the books, and why? I know you don't care, but in the end it is your money the government is playing with.

3) Plausible deniability

Just another way to avoid responsibility. Not much of a leader when this happens. Sounds like much abuse was happening all over and that is why the program was cancelled. It would not be such a big deal in the news if it was something small.

Or the news is playing us, and disracting us from other important things, like Michael Jackson's death.

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2009

If they could not keep Valarie Plame from disclosure (they purposely outed her), and I really doubt this is the reason. Unless we have names like Bush and Cheney all over it.

It may not be THE reason in this instance, but it is a reason in many others.

I'd like to know who is cookin the books, and why? I know you don't care, but in the end it is your money the government is playing with.

You're right...I don't care.....and I laugh at the fools who think caring about the "books" matters in the least.

Just another way to avoid responsibility. Not much of a leader when this happens. Sounds like much abuse was happening all over and that is why the program was cancelled. It would not be such a big deal in the news if it was something small.

Don't be naive....deniability is an important element of oversight even when they know.

Or the news is playing us, and disracting us from other important things, like Michael Jackson's death.

That's why we're here...to keep you entertained and distracted.

ironstone · July 14, 2009

Well, Mr Cheney was better than most at avoiding the draft to Viet-Nam (5 times!). Not a much experience with actual weapons, I suppose.

Wow,he must rank up there with the likes of Bill Clinton!

Shady · July 14, 2009

If they could not keep Valarie Plame from disclosure (they purposely outed her)

Who is "they"?

scorpio · July 14, 2009

Who is "they"?

Scooter Libby for one.

Shady · July 14, 2009

Scooter Libby for one.

Wrong. Try again.

GostHacked · July 15, 2009

Wrong. Try again.

So why did he do time again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Libby

Libby resigned all three government positions immediately after he was indicted on federal charges of obstruction and perjury resulting from the grand jury investigation into the leak of the covert identity of Central Intelligence Agency officer Valerie Plame. In his trial for his role in the Plame affair, United States v. Libby,[4][5] the jury convicted Libby on four of the five counts in the indictment: one count of obstruction of justice; two counts of perjury; and one count of making false statements to federal investigators.[6]

Shady, you are good at playing dumb, but I know you are smarter than that. Eventhough Bush had commuted part of his sentence, it still shows the 'they'. The whole Bush admin was in on it.

Shady · July 15, 2009

So why did he do time again?

For perjury.

Shady, you are good at playing dumb, but I know you are smarter than that.

Yep, smarter then that, and smarter then you.

State Department official source of Plame leak

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the source who revealed the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame to syndicated columnist Robert Novak in 2003, touching off a federal investigation.

CNN

It's been known for quite a while that Armitage was the source of the leak. It's just ashame that so many of you rely on far leftwing websites for your news, instead of more credible sources.