dub Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 And what of the forced, brutal exile of 500,000 Jews from Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, etc. right after Israel's creation? The Iraqi Jewish community dated back to the days of the destruction of the First Temple. Was Iraq's policy even more "racist"? yeah. it was racist. Quote
Bonam Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) i've come to the conclusion that you are mentally slow. Oh no, a person who can't read and comprehend one entire sentence thinks I am slow. Whatever shall I do? Edited June 25, 2009 by Bonam Quote
KrustyKidd Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 you're wrong again. there is a big difference which you either don't know or you refuse to acknowledge.in greece, anyone of greek origin, is granted priority in immigration and naturalization. however, in greece, it is not only greeks that may immigrate into the country or attain citizenship. the Law of Return grants all Jews a universal right to immigrate to israel and it is virtually impossible for anyone who is not a jew or who does not have kinship ties with jews to receive israeli citizenship. again, israel's immigration and citizenship policies are discriminatory and racist. Actually you are right as I have found out - few non kin related or, Jews are given citizenship. While looking this up and fairly thoroughly, I also found the basis for this which, once again leads me back to the analogy of the ethnic organizations found throughout the world which seldom allow members from other organizations to join. It is not a racist viewpoint but rather an endeavor to keep the organization or, in this case, the country, a haven for their culture. Similar to Quebec with their language laws. It's hardly racist as those who are not of the Jewish faith are perfectly free to enjoy life free from persecution and, as Benny observed, Jews do not attempt to convert. Remember the UN definition; any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race…or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedom So, once admitted to Israel, are those not of the Jewish persuasion treated like sub humans? So, it seems that your argument is that Israel wishes to keep itself a haven for Jews and those who are kin of Jews. Sort of like ethnic organizations the world over. Are they all racist or just Israel? Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) So, once admitted to Israel, are those not of the Jewish persuasion treated like sub humans? See Oskar Schindler. Not a Jewish bone in his body. Edited June 25, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 Jews and Palestinians need not lawyers as mediators but psychoanalysts. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 Jews and Palestinians need not lawyers as mediators but psychoanalysts. The common ones do - those that suffer stress disorders..but the supposed leaders need a hard bare bum spanking...as for lawyers - and professional mediators - they love to make the mayhem last longer - they love the prolonged never ending "process" - the peace process...is just that - a never ending sucking of blood - buy legalists - arms dealers - money laundering muck heads...who are not willing to give up the good life - there is an eilite that does not feel bad about a thousand people suffering or perishing - as long as they can turn on a tap of cool water - a tap plated in gold - and a toilet that washes their ass. Quote
jbg Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 Precisely because of this imperative of "absolute longing", Jews cannot have a country without destroying it. I normally don't respond to your inane one-liners but this one deserves a response. Israel is the only country in the region that is not a wreck. Even oil-rich Saudi Arabia has plenty of horrific slums, slave labor and brutal, government created or government sanctioned violence against their own citizens. Israel has become a hi-tech center of the world. I am getting tired of your cheap shots. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dub Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 Actually you are right as I have found out - few non kin related or, Jews are given citizenship. While looking this up and fairly thoroughly, I also found the basis for this which, once again leads me back to the analogy of the ethnic organizations found throughout the world which seldom allow members from other organizations to join. like who? as far as i know, none of the european countries (which are hundreds of years older than israel) and of course, north american countries have a 'one ethnic' only policy when it comes to citizenship. your example of greece would have worked if greece only allowed greeks. but they allow others to receive citizenships. so you're incorrect. It is not a racist viewpoint but rather an endeavor to keep the organization or, in this case, the country, a haven for their culture. Similar to Quebec with their language laws. language law? we're talking about immigration and citizenship. quebec may have a language law, but they allow people from all over the world to immigrate to there. It's hardly racist as those who are not of the Jewish faith are perfectly free to enjoy life free from persecution and, as Benny observed, Jews do not attempt to convert. Remember the UN definition; that's up for debate as many arab israelis would disagree that they enjoy a life free of persecution and discrimination. still, the racism that we're discussing is israel's citizenship law which gives preferential treatment to a particular ethnic group. whatever their reason for racism is, it is still racism. So, it seems that your argument is that Israel wishes to keep itself a haven for Jews and those who are kin of Jews. Sort of like ethnic organizations the world over. Are they all racist or just Israel? that's called racism as defined by the UN. the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. the fact that israel does not allow its arab citizens who want to bring their spouses into israel is also discrimination. sure, they've tried to mask this as stopping terrorism but we all know the reason for this discrimination is to prevent non-jews from entering israel. which is what all of this is about. it's hard to stomach for some jews, but that's called racial discrimination. immigration practices aside, there are other well documented discrimination. here is information given by israeli organizations about israel: Geneva, 26 February 2007 - The United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (the “Committee”) reviewed Israel’s compliance with the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD) in Geneva on 22-23 February 2007. The ICERD, which was ratified by Israel in 1979, commits State Parties, to adopt all necessary measures to eliminate racial discrimination, and to prevent and combat racist policies and practices. Adalah, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), and B’Tselem - three prominent organisations based in Israel and members of FIDH- presented information to the Committee on the status of implementation of ICERD by the State of Israel.Adalah - The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel - emphasized numerous discriminatory laws and state practices faced by Arab citizens, which violate Israel’s obligations under the ICERD: institutionalised discrimination in land and housing policies, discrimination resulting from the granting of military service benefits, a harsh new criminal procedure law for detainees suspected of security offences, impunity in cases of excessive use of force by the police against Arab citizens, including the October 2000 killings; a law banning family unification with Palestinians from the Occupied Territories based solely on national origin, unequal state funding of Arab towns and villages and the lack of participation of Arab citizens in the planning process, displacement and dispossession of Arab Bedouin citizens from the unrecognised villages in the Naqab, discriminatory resources allocated to and limitations on access to education for Arab students, discrimination in state support for Arab cultural institutions, and the lack of recognition for Muslim holy sites in Israel, among others. Quote
jbg Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 language law? we're talking about immigration and citizenship. quebec may have a language law, but they allow people from all over the world to immigrate to there.The point is Quebec pervasively regulates immigration and what language incoming immigrants can educate their children in.that's up for debate as many arab israelis would disagree that they enjoy a life free of persecution and discrimination. still, the racism that we're discussing is israel's citizenship law which gives preferential treatment to a particular ethnic group. whatever their reason for racism is, it is still racism.And the Arab countries didn't expel 500,000 Jews shortly after Israel was formed?that's called racism as defined by the UN.the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. And the Arab countries don't practice racism?the fact that israel does not allow its arab citizens who want to bring their spouses into israel is also discrimination. sure, they've tried to mask this as stopping terrorism but we all know the reason for this discrimination is to prevent non-jews from entering israel. which is what all of this is about. it's hard to stomach for some jews, but that's called racial discrimination. immigration practices aside, there are other well documented discrimination. here is information given by israeli organizations about israel: Maybe Israel doesn't want to be destroyed. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
KrustyKidd Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 like who?as far as i know, none of the european countries (which are hundreds of years older than israel) and of course, north american countries have a 'one ethnic' only policy when it comes to citizenship. your example of greece would have worked if greece only allowed greeks. but they allow others to receive citizenships. so you're incorrect. No I am correct. Try to join a Japanese Canadian organization or, a Russian American club. You will find that you would not be, despite your open mind, too welcome. Try Turkish Belgian clubs and so on and forth. That is what i am referring to. language law? we're talking about immigration and citizenship. quebec may have a language law, but they allow people from all over the world to immigrate to there. And, they do not allow people to use any other language other than French in public applications. The intent of both they and Israel is to preserve their culture. that's up for debate as many arab israelis would disagree that they enjoy a life free of persecution and discrimination. still, the racism that we're discussing is israel's citizenship law which gives preferential treatment to a particular ethnic group. whatever their reason for racism is, it is still racism. And your racism which drives you to spend every free moment of your life bashing Jews? What would you call that Dub? that's called racism as defined by the UN.the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. Israel does not intend to deliberately attempting to be nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life of anybody. They have stated that they have an immigration policy which preserves their culture and what those parameters are. the fact that israel does not allow its arab citizens who want to bring their spouses into israel is also discrimination. I thought I explained to you that this law also applies to Jews. sure, they've tried to mask this as stopping terrorism but we all know the reason for this discrimination is to prevent non-jews from entering israel. which is what all of this is about. it's hard to stomach for some jews, but that's called racial discrimination. immigration practices aside, there are other well documented discrimination. here is information given by israeli organizations about israel: This law also applies to Jews Dub. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
Bonam Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 Israel does not intend to deliberately attempting to be nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life of anybody. Yeah dub just doesn't seem to understand this part of it. Quote
dub Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 The point is Quebec pervasively regulates immigration and what language incoming immigrants can educate their children in. similar to immigration canada, where you need to score language points, immigration quebec, requires that you speak some french and know about the country. however, they don't bar you from entering because you're not francophone. they give everyone a chance to immigrate. the quebec example is a poor comparison and further proves my point. And the Arab countries didn't expel 500,000 Jews shortly after Israel was formed? who said the arab countries' treatment of jews is right? And the Arab countries don't practice racism? they do and it's wrong. just like it's wrong for israel to do it. Maybe Israel doesn't want to be destroyed. eh? destroyed? you mean if israel wasn't racist and did not discriminate, it would be destroyed? Quote
Bonam Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 eh? destroyed? If Israel allowed unlimited immigration of Arabs, yes it would be destroyed in short order. Quote
jbg Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 If Israel allowed unlimited immigration of Arabs, yes it would be destroyed in short order. Yep. Just ask the Lebanese what became of their country after 1982. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted June 26, 2009 Report Posted June 26, 2009 I normally don't respond to your inane one-liners but this one deserves a response. Israel is the only country in the region that is not a wreck. Even oil-rich Saudi Arabia has plenty of horrific slums, slave labor and brutal, government created or government sanctioned violence against their own citizens. Israel has become a hi-tech center of the world.I am getting tired of your cheap shots. That Israel has become a hi-tech center may well be proving my point: http://www.humboldt.edu/~essays/godzinski.html Quote
KrustyKidd Posted June 26, 2009 Report Posted June 26, 2009 That Israel has become a hi-tech center may well be proving my point:http://www.humboldt.edu/~essays/godzinski.html With an essay applicable to all nations? Israel is ahead of many natiions who have to even approach the economic and societal level they are at. First hybrid power station goes live in Israel Not to forget, the people who ganged up on them after they accepted the UN Resolution 181 and adhered to the borders that it called for along with six Arab nations also have a green plan.... built by somebody else. On a personal note Benny, you seem to be fond of one line posts which don't explain much, nor, address much. However, giving us a link without a relevant quote is a bit of overkill as nobody is going to read the essay or article in it's entirety on the off chance it proves your point (whatever that was) . On the other hand, providing an opinion or fact and backing it up with a quote, then backing that up with a link would be far more economical for our time and, present what it is you are trying to put forth as well. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
benny Posted June 26, 2009 Report Posted June 26, 2009 With an essay applicable to all nations? Israel is ahead of many natiions who have to even approach the economic and societal level they are at. First hybrid power station goes live in IsraelNot to forget, the people who ganged up on them after they accepted the UN Resolution 181 and adhered to the borders that it called for along with six Arab nations also have a green plan.... built by somebody else. On a personal note Benny, you seem to be fond of one line posts which don't explain much, nor, address much. However, giving us a link without a relevant quote is a bit of overkill as nobody is going to read the essay or article in it's entirety on the off chance it proves your point (whatever that was) . On the other hand, providing an opinion or fact and backing it up with a quote, then backing that up with a link would be far more economical for our time and, present what it is you are trying to put forth as well. In the movement of Gelassenheit, one enters into a free relationship with technology which is not founded upon domination and mastery. On the contrary, an authentic relationship to technology is one that is simply beyond our control. Paradoxically, a relationship which is exemplified by releasement continually uses things as standing-reserve, while avoiding the danger of being taken as standing-reserve, although Heidegger certainly keeps a watchful eye out for the ultimate danger that rests within the ordering of standing-reserve. That is, if we, ourselves, get ordered or dominated by the things that we in turn are trying to order and dominate, then we will encounter the danger, to the extent that the sending or presencing of Being gets closed off and concealed from us. Quote
KrustyKidd Posted June 26, 2009 Report Posted June 26, 2009 I actually see Israel as being fairly progressive in mixing technology with nature and society. At least more than most nations anyhow. If your essay is applicable to Israel, it is moreso to most nations Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
benny Posted June 26, 2009 Report Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) I actually see Israel as being fairly progressive in mixing technology with nature and society. At least more than most nations anyhow. If your essay is applicable to Israel, it is moreso to most nations The kibbutz movement is almost death in Israel. Edited June 26, 2009 by benny Quote
KrustyKidd Posted June 26, 2009 Report Posted June 26, 2009 The kibbutz movement is almost death in Israel. So is Kitimat in Canada. We're all doomed. Once again, too tired for the one liners so nite Benny. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
benny Posted June 26, 2009 Report Posted June 26, 2009 So is Kitimat in Canada. We're all doomed. Once again, too tired for the one liners so nite Benny. "The sportsman's paradise and industry hub of Kitimat is embraced by the lush wilderness of the northwest of British Columbia, nestled in the majestic valley at the head of the Douglas Channel." http://www.britishcolumbia.com/regions/towns/?townID=3609 Quote
KrustyKidd Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 "The sportsman's paradise and industry hub of Kitimat is embraced by the lush wilderness of the northwest of British Columbia, nestled in the majestic valley at the head of the Douglas Channel."http://www.britishcolumbia.com/regions/towns/?townID=3609 Do they use technology there or just flint and spear? If the former, it will last as long as Israel. In any case Benny, this one liner shit has me bored. When you actually have something, let me know and I'll be happy to respond. In themeantime, summer's here and time to get out. Have a great weekend!!!!! Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
benny Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 Do they use technology there or just flint and spear? If the former, it will last as long as Israel. In any case Benny, this one liner shit has me bored. When you actually have something, let me know and I'll be happy to respond. In themeantime, summer's here and time to get out. Have a great weekend!!!!! I wonder if an Iranian nuclear missile on Israel this summer would derail your outdoor fun time!? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 I wonder if an Iranian nuclear missile on Israel this summer would derail your outdoor fun time!? What will the Iranians fuel that missile with? Blood maybe? - I doubt if their fun can be derailed by the fires of hell - they might be accustomed to it ----damn a fruit fly just went up my nose - could it be rigormortis setting in? Back on track.....Once people get use to being treated like animals it is pretty hard to rehabilitate the broken in spirit. It just might be a hopeless cause --- what I saw with the last upheavel in Palistine was that if Israel could have it's way - it would have genocided all of them - every last woman man and child....These people are not above having a final solution of their own. Quote
benny Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 upheavel in Palistine upheaval in Palestine Quote
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