Smallc Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 The worlds other nations apologize for things....Canada to aboriginals...and the Chinese....Germany for...being Germany. Obama is trying to mend fences. I don't expect many on the right to agree, but it seems to be what will happen for at least the next four years. And anybody who thinks that Obama doesn't have a plan B is silly. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 The worlds other nations apologize for things....Canada to aboriginals...and the Chinese....Germany for...being Germany. Obama is trying to mend fences. I don't expect many on the right to agree, but it seems to be what will happen for at least the next four years. It's not a "right" or "left" issue. Go try to squeeze an apology out of Japan, or Russia, or UK, or Spain, or even the Vatican. Kicking the USA in the shins is just a lot more fun. And anybody who thinks that Obama doesn't have a plan B is silly. Obama has been quite pedestrian to date, not even rising to FDR or Reagan's level. And he may never do so. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 The worlds other nations apologize for things....Canada to aboriginals...and the Chinese....Germany for...being Germany. Obama is trying to mend fences. I don't expect many on the right to agree, but it seems to be what will happen for at least the next four years.And anybody who thinks that Obama doesn't have a plan B is silly. You statement is telling. This is an ideology that haqs never en masse apologized for what happened on 9-11 or reached out in any significant way. To go to them now is inappropriate ion my opinion - but that's just my opinion.\ The fact of the matter is that it's very obvious the world is becoming a more dangerous place under Obama, largely because the thugs realize that he is a talker not a doer, and that they are doers. Kim Jong Ils actions are a very clear statement: we know there are no consequences. You don't have to tell me what Obama is trying to do - it's very apparent. But just because it's different doesn't make it better. It seems to be making it worse thus far. I guess time will tell, but "extending a hand" to those who consistenyl, without interruption and explicitly consider you to be satan and dance in the streets at the death of your innocent citizenz is the wrong message...IN MY OPINION. Bush was very successful. Obama, we will see. Quote
KrustyKidd Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) Smallc The US has done many good things in the world and some bad things. Many great things and some bad things you mean. Smallc They leap....Obama thinks. Obama is already doing much better. We may think he thinks however, nothing he has thought has yet transformed into anything real. It is all still hope and change. Smallc The worlds other nations apologize for things....Canada to aboriginals...and the Chinese....Germany for...being Germany. Obama is trying to mend fences. I don't expect many on the right to agree, but it seems to be what will happen for at least the next four years. I hope it will begin soon as there are fifty some odd Islamic nations we need to respond to this speech with action of some kind. Yay another white house lawn photo op while Iran gets on with it. Carter in spades. I don't believe so. I believe this is a meeting to prop Egypt up along with Israeli concessions (one of which is Netanyahu to convert back to the two state solution which is nothing new yet a huge move for him) and so make some illusion of progress with an Egyptian and Saudi signature on it. The other will be a Syrian agreement followed shortly afterwards despite the sanctions but, because of the Saudi rewards. JerrySeinfeld I guess time will tell, but "extending a hand" to those who consistenyl, without interruption and explicitly consider you to be satan and dance in the streets at the death of your innocent citizenz is the wrong message...IN MY OPINION.Bush was very successful. Obama, we will see Bush was very sucessful and, the time is growing short for Mr Obama to pull the rabbit out of his ass. Edited June 6, 2009 by KrustyKidd Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
BubberMiley Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Just ask Chamberlain how the "obama" strategy plays out. You clearly don't even know what appeasement is. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Posted June 6, 2009 You clearly don't even know what appeasement is.Your turn. Why don't you explain it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Ain't it funny how they're for "tolerance" when that would harm core Western values yet support Islamofascism? Waitaminute. You're the one who said how much you love Islam. When were you lying--then or now? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Posted June 6, 2009 Waitaminute. You're the one who said how much you love Islam. When were you lying--then or now? I admire their expertise in the demolition phase of "construction and demolition", for example. The use of planes as jackhammers was quite novel. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 The question was rhetorical, as it was already clear when you were lying. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 The thing most left wingers with short memories doen't realze is that Obama's "strategy" isn't a new one. It reprresents going backward in time to the same useless shit that hasn't worked for decades. The brilliance of President Bush was in his ability to shatter the illusion of peace and that "talks" are the way to bring change to the backward barbaric countries in the middle east. The thugs in power over there are all breathing a mssive sigh of relief, because after the hell years of Bush breathing down their necks and actualy creating meaningful change, democracy and human rights to the region, Obama is going back to the Carter years of simply talking but not really accomplishing anything, which means the heat is off and the thugs can get on with their programs. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 Your turn. Why don't you explain it. Sure. It's the policy of granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace. Obama made no concessions, just a speech. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted June 7, 2009 Report Posted June 7, 2009 Actually, Obama's tolerance reminds me of pre WWII Britian's Chamberlain, who gave away the farm to Hitler so he could proclaim, "Peace in our time!" which of course turned out to be rather a short time as Hitler simply lied his ass off as needed to the fool. Obama has the very same belief that he can charm the snakes to obey, even though North Korea has been a modern red flag to anyone with common sense that you simply can't negotiate with some kinds of tyrants. NK signed Jimmy Carter's Treaty promising to not pursue nuclear weapons for millions of cash. That turned out real well. Now, Obama tries to out do NK's failure by simply OKing Iran's nuclear weapon envy. What a sap. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 7, 2009 Report Posted June 7, 2009 Actually, Obama's tolerance reminds me of pre WWII Britian's Chamberlain, So little understanding of what Chamberlain did. I guess if you rely on GOP talking points rather than actual history, you're bound to not know what you're talking about. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted June 7, 2009 Report Posted June 7, 2009 You're wrong on at least 2 counts, but keep trying. You tell us how Obama publically declaring that Iran can have nuclear technology is helpful to the situation. Tell us how appeasing NK is any different than appeasing Iran, who declares their love for Israel every chance they get. Tell us how signing a peace treaty with Hitler while conceding the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia was successful. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 7, 2009 Report Posted June 7, 2009 Good to know someone is looking back on history and doing comparisons. People like to repeat themselves..it's habitualism on a grand scale - and now that the last generation that witnessed hell on earth are dead and gone - this generation is fresh for the picking....Instead of the best rising to the top all we have are the mendaciaous - who tickle the ears of all and the people just love being decieved --- Nixon - mendacious - Bush - mendacious - Clinton - mendacious - it can go on and on. Still I don't understand the voters in this modern era...the old code of ethics was as such - much like the use of a crimminal record - IF a person lied to you JUST ONCE ...that was it - they were never to be trusted again - Never! That was wise policy..now we have become fools...and the worst part - we must be living in the kingdom of dellusion..it's really quite bizarre when you think of it. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 7, 2009 Report Posted June 7, 2009 Tell us how signing a peace treaty with Hitler while conceding the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia was successful. I didn't say it was successful. But Obama has signed no such treaties and has appeased no one. What you refer to is his demand that Iran be forced to prove it has no nuclear weapons program through rigorous inspections before it is allowed to address its energy concerns. How is that appeasement? What do you think would be a better strategy? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Oleg Bach Posted June 7, 2009 Report Posted June 7, 2009 Obama will seduce the Arabs - because he is black - and they hate whites - this should work out rather well - by the time the Arabs figure out that Obama is really a white guy - well - we will own the middle east....very clever! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Obama will seduce the Arabs - because he is black - and they hate whites - this should work out rather well - by the time the Arabs figure out that Obama is really a white guy - well - we will own the middle east....very clever! Under the rules of this silly game, many "Arabs" are "white". Obama is not "black" (technically). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guthrie Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 somebody needs to figure out what the big words mean before they attempt to use them but more than that, some folks need to figure out what Islam really is before they start lying about it Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Oleg Bach Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 somebody needs to figure out what the big words mean before they attempt to use thembut more than that, some folks need to figure out what Islam really is before they start lying about it First thing this lazy man did was get out a dictionary...secondly as far as Islam - you had better at least scan the Koran to get the jist of it - and look over the New Testiment with a critial and pragmatic eye to get the concepts also...If you have not bothered to do this then you are useless in any conversation regarding these matters. Quote
Guthrie Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 First thing this lazy man did was get out a dictionary...secondly as far as Islam - you had better at least scan the Koran to get the jist of it - and look over the New Testiment with a critial and pragmatic eye to get the concepts also...If you have not bothered to do this then you are useless in any conversation regarding these matters. 1 - who is this, 'lazy man,' you mention? 2 - please expand your argument --- what is it one needs to see in these holy books? Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
jbg Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Posted June 11, 2009 First thing this lazy man did was get out a dictionaryThe quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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