jbg Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) An Obama sampler from his June 4, 2009 speech in Cairo, Egypt (link), or, can this man tell the truth? And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (Applause.) I also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President, John Adams, wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims." Clearly he doesn't follow the alleged (though non-existant) dictates of Islam: As the Holy Koran tells us, "Be conscious of God and speak always the truth." (Applause.) That is what I will try to do today -- to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart. Last I checked, Britain was the first country to recognize the U.S. in the Treaty of Paris in 1783, though our first ambassador, John Adams, was treated shabbilly. At least he didn't risk having his head cut off by his hosts. Edited June 5, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Yes, reaching out is such a terrible thing. Today's speech was historic, and I think that history will remember it well. The idea that it's just fine to hate someone else because of who they are or what they believe just doesn't work, and your president seems to understand that. Quote
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study...rocco_first.htm He had the right country. The line about the date is a completely separate thought. Edited June 5, 2009 by Smallc Quote
jbg Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 Yes, reaching out is such a terrible thing. Today's speech was historic, and I think that history will remember it well. The idea that it's just fine to hate someone else because of who they are or what they believe just doesn't work, and your president seems to understand that. And he needs to lie in the process in order to glorify a group that, on balance, produces little but misery, grinding povery and violence? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Put your hatred aside for a moment and realize that you can't judge an entire people the way that you are. BTW, in case you don't read above, he had the right country. Quote
jbg Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 Put your hatred aside for a moment and realize that you can't judge an entire people the way that you are. BTW, in case you don't read above, he had the right country. I have no hatred of anyone, including Muslims or Islam. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 What would you call it then? I certainly wouldn't call it love...or even acceptance....or tolerance. Quote
jbg Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 What would you call it then? I certainly wouldn't call it love...or even acceptance....or tolerance. I look at what a person or a people does in the real world, what they accomplish in the here and now. Tell me one Muslim country in modern times you'd pick to live in. Bet you can't. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) I wouldn't live in any other country but this one. Labeling an entire group of people (especially of that size) is simply wrong. Edited June 5, 2009 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Yes, reaching out is such a terrible thing. Today's speech was historic, and I think that history will remember it well. The idea that it's just fine to hate someone else because of who they are or what they believe just doesn't work, and your president seems to understand that. I agree...it is perfectly OK to invade and bomb someone without hating them. Obama is so wise..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
KrustyKidd Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 As Spock said in one of the Star Trek movies 'Only Nixon could go to China' it seems only Obama could go to Cairo. A very good speech with continuity from the Bush era however, Obama delivered it with his usual fine style which made it appear new and exciting like an historic era had suddenly just opened between east and west which it just may have. Some points are that it was directed to the people of the Muslim World and while speaking of freedom, that freedom is unlikely to be as enthusiastically embraced by the usual oppressive rulers/regimes that oversee the people. However, it is the people whom provide the Qutbist groups their recruits so, while real change may not occur on the street, attitudes may. As the head of CAIR remarked, he may have done more to defeat Al Qaseda in this one speech than Bush did in eight years. The Palestinian Israeli portion was also the same as the Bush plan however, delivered with charisma and promise as well as the 'hope and change' thing he has going. The two sate solution plan however ......... here he says that settlements have to stop now. Makes sense to me in Canada but, when coupled with his outreached hand to Iran saying he will allow them to have nuclear power just alienated every Israeli and made this process a stall. A fine quote The Arab-Israeli conflict should no longer be used to distract the people of Arab nations from other problems. He was received extremely well, now, what is he going to do for a followup or, is the followup going to be ours (west and east) together? Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
sharkman Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Put your hatred aside for a moment and realize that you can't judge an entire people the way that you are. BTW, in case you don't read above, he had the right country. Oh please, can't you address the topic without personalizing it? Obama is sucking up to the Muslim world. Indeed, let us all take notice of how successful in the years to come. The initial response among Muslims, aside of the American Media's digging up positive responses, is pretty tepid. However, there is hope since I've read there are protests in Israel over Obama's anti-Israel position. No doubt, as soon as Muslims get a load of these protests they will begin to view Obama in a new light. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 I have no hatred of anyone, including Muslims or Islam. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) Oh please, can't you address the topic without personalizing it? I didn't personalize it. It's an observation in fact, that he has an extreme dislike of muslims and such a dislike clouds his view. Edited June 5, 2009 by Smallc Quote
Chuck U. Farlie Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 I look at what a person or a people does in the real world, what they accomplish in the here and now. Tell me one Muslim country in modern times you'd pick to live in. Bet you can't. Indonesia is not too bad to live in... as long as you have more money than the local people (not very hard to accomplish). Malaysia also isn't too bad either. Quote I swear to drunk I'm not god. ________________________
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 Prove it. So, when you make statments like that about an entire group, are they generally people that you like? This is taking away from the reality. It was a great speech, and an historic speech. Whether or not some on the rihgt like it is irrelivant. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 ...This is taking away from the reality. It was a great speech, and an historic speech. Whether or not some on the rihgt like it is irrelivant. ....or those on the "left". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 The president is in charge, no amtter what anyone on any side thinks of what he does. Quote
Shady Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 It's an observation in fact, that he has an extreme dislike of muslims and such a dislike clouds his view. So pointing out Obama's lies is equal to hating muslims? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 The president is in charge, no amtter what anyone on any side thinks of what he does. In charge of what....making speeches? The US president is not in charge of Muslim perceptions or actions. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 Not that post, the post about muslims.I happen to have great admiration for Arabs, Islam and Muslims. There accomplishments are too great and too numerous to list. Those accomplishments are subtle. You have to look for them. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 In charge of what....making speeches? The US president is not in charge of Muslim perceptions or actions. The President (unlike a Prime Minister) speaks for the country. That is the nature of the position. The president (unlike a Queen or the presidents of other countries) is charged with heading the government. That is the nature of the position. Obama made a speech on behalf of America...as that is the nature of the possition. Quote
Smallc Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 I happen to have great admiration for Arabs, Islam and Muslims. There accomplishments are too great and too numerous to list. Those accomplishments are subtle. You have to look for them. That certainly isn't what you said easier. So tell me, do you have a problem with the President seeking peace with Arab world? Quote
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