BIG Rightwing Debt

Machjo · June 5, 2009

I just don't see how it can be judicious for political parties to ask voters to follow them in bravery for the sake of balancing budgets.

Then we have only the voters to blame if they choose to vote for irresponsible politicians.

Smallc · June 5, 2009

It would be preferable to staying in this taxed to death nanny state of Canada!

You realise that we have only mariginally higher taxes than the US..and that most Albertans probably pay less tax (as a percentage) than the average American, right? No one in Canada is taxed to death.

benny · June 5, 2009

Well, if they're not willing to increase taxes, then they forfeit the moral right to increase spending. To increase spending and then refuse to increase taxes or even promote more tax cuts is plain deveiving and dishonest.

When public spending is presented as an investment, it may generate not so far down the road its own pay-back capacity.

bush_cheney2004 · June 5, 2009

You realise that we have only mariginally higher taxes than the US..and that most Albertans probably pay less tax (as a percentage) than the average American, right? No one in Canada is taxed to death.

Then why do Canadians move to the USA to escape such taxes? When I sell an item on eBay to a Canadian, they invariably ask me to help them thwart taxes and duty fees.

benny · June 5, 2009

Then why do Canadians move to the USA to escape such taxes? When I sell an item on eBay to a Canadian, they invariably ask me to help them thwart taxes and duty fees.

Because they are brainwashed by rightwing think tanks.

Smallc · June 5, 2009

Then why do Canadians move to the USA to escape such taxes?

I don't know, why do Americans move to Canada?

benny · June 5, 2009

I don't know, why do Americans move to Canada?

Because they are not brainwashed by rightwing think tanks.

Machjo · June 6, 2009

When public spending is presented as an investment, it may generate not so far down the road its own pay-back capacity.

Excellent. So taxes could be reduced at that time.

benny · June 6, 2009

Excellent. So taxes could be reduced at that time.

Taxes should be reduced only if people deserve to keep their money.

Oleg Bach · June 6, 2009

Taxes should be reduced only if people deserve to keep their money.

If I work for it - it's mine - sales tax and service taxes are enough to float the infrastructure and social programs - IF managed properly - Income tax is just a way of taking money from average working people and sending that money indirectly to established rich people -now with bail outs the rich are very bold in this fraudulent trasphere of wealth _ Why should you and I support some person that has had billions in the family for a few generations and now - has fallen on his face - and crys out "my family have always been rich -we are entitled to continue being so - even if we married badly and our kids have ruined the corporations because they had the crazy genetic disposition of drunken aunt Martha - the crazy cat lady.. :lol:

Machjo · June 6, 2009

Taxes should be reduced only if people deserve to keep their money.

I thought that was the role of fines, not taxes.

benny · June 6, 2009

If I work for it - it's mine - sales tax and service taxes are enough to float the infrastructure and social programs - IF managed properly - Income tax is just a way of taking money from average working people and sending that money indirectly to established rich people -now with bail outs the rich are very bold in this fraudulent trasphere of wealth _ Why should you and I support some person that has had billions in the family for a few generations and now - has fallen on his face - and crys out "my family have always been rich -we are entitled to continue being so - even if we married badly and our kids have ruined the corporations because they had the crazy genetic disposition of drunken aunt Martha - the crazy cat lady..

No deservingness without making real sacrifices. A rich who has "inherited" expensive tastes may make more sacrifices trying to live with less than a happy worker makes sacrifices by going to his/her work.

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benny · June 6, 2009

double

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kuzadd · June 6, 2009

Everyone wants to blame the politicians for the problems we have. If they had real control of society then this would be a valid case of finger pointing. The truth however is that business calls the ball, they are the tail wagging the government dog. The rise of corporate governance has yet to be viewed by the "experts" for what it is. That is unfortunate for the citizens, but it does provide a nice little smokescreen for the power brokers while giving governments the smelly end of the stick.
It has worked so well, that old divide and conquer strategy, that nobody has bothered to say anything when organizations begin to appear that have nothing to do with the private ventures that is the operational meet of their business venture. The World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, groups of very powerful people working together to conduct operations beyond their countries of origin. Multinational and transnational business are the rule of thumb these days, and buzz words like global economies and economies of scale. Kiss goodbye any thought of traditional values and heritage, open the doors to child labour, environmental harm and economic terrorism perpetrated by the folks that really call the ball.

absolutely brilliant!

someone is getting it.

let the fools be played by the game.

Topaz · June 6, 2009

The Libs and NDP would have run this deficit and more. It was the opposition that keeps saying the CPC is not spending enough and not doing more to fight the recession. Yet now they scream about the deficit. Meanwhile I agree that the CPC is not acting conservatively as I see it as an old Reformer. Meanwhile the hypocrits who ask, demanded ,stimulus what they wanted. A pox on all their houses. I am in the automotive repair business. Guess what ? I have just helped with our tax dollars to prop up my competition. I am being punished for being successful and running my company in the black.

One correction. The Libs are telling the Cons to put the money out there that the Tories said they were going to do to create jobs, mostly in the construction industry for this summer. The Libs are not saying spend more NEW money they are just saying the money the Tories had to the summer jobs. I'm just wondering IF there's any money left in the kitty??

ironstone · June 6, 2009

1) This is Canada, not the US.
2) Obama could not be our PM.

3) He inherited a huge debt from Bush (which rightwingers ignore).

4) Obama's plan is to reduce the debt over the next 8 years, we have a while to wait to see if he does this.

5) In Canada, the Libs have done better than so called fiscally responsible Cons like Mulroney and Harper in balancing budgets. Heck, even Lorne Calvert & the Saskatchewan NDP outperformed the Cons in fiscal discipline... LOL.

Didn't Obama quadruple the debt since he took office?

As for the Liberals doing better than the Conservatives as far as balancing budgets,there is more to the story.Consider a few things like the GST and free trade,both Conservative initiatives.And your beloved Liberals fought tooth and nail against both while in opposition.Once they were in power and realized just how much money was flowing into government coffers because of these Conservative policies,they got all of the credit for supposedly turning the finances around.I almost forgot to mention that it was your Liberals that also DRASTICALLY cut transfer payments to the provinces(health care spending!!)that enabled them to rake in huge amounts of money to squander.

One more thing,a budget surplus and a balanced budget are not exactly the same thing.

I can't wait for your unbelievable,distorted response.....

bush_cheney2004 · June 6, 2009

I don't know, why do Americans move to Canada?

Not to avoid taxes, that's for sure.

Smallc · June 6, 2009

Well there isn't really a large stream of people moving in either direction.

Canadians don't want to be American and Americans don't want to be Canadian overall. There are groups in each of the countries that want to emulate the other one, but it seems the majority prefers the status quo (for the most part) based on their voting record.

benny · June 6, 2009

Not to avoid taxes, that's for sure.

To axe into nature (tar sands, etc.).

ironstone · June 6, 2009

Taxes should be reduced only if people deserve to keep their money.

Wow!In one,short sentence you have admitted something that is a core belief of left wingers everywhere!I appreciate your honesty,if nothing else.

Chuck U. Farlie · June 6, 2009

QUOTE (benny @ Jun 6 2009, 07:24 AM) *
Taxes should be reduced only if people deserve to keep their money.

If I didn't deserve to keep my money, I would see absolutely no reason to go out and make money.

benny · June 6, 2009

Wow!In one,short sentence you have admitted something that is a core belief of left wingers everywhere!I appreciate your honesty,if nothing else.

The core belief of right wingers about the poor is that they are undeserving.

Machjo · June 6, 2009

No deservingness without making real sacrifices. A rich who has "inherited" expensive tastes may make more sacrifices trying to live with less than a happy worker makes sacrifices by going to his/her work.

Of course I can accept that some ore more lucky in life than others, without a doubt. Some do have more opportunities. But why not let them give of their money voluntarily rather than rip it out of their hands?

Machjo · June 6, 2009

The core belief of right wingers about the poor is that they are undeserving.

This has always bothered me. I'd considered myself moderate left for a long time until I'd taken a political quizz that kept putting me to the libertarian right. Even others in the forum I was in who called themselves conservatives turned out more left than I was!

I couldn't figure it out, and I think the reason is what you bring up here. Many on the right want taxes cut just so they can pocket it. For me, I do want more tax cuts, but woudl also like to change laws to level the playing field in the private sector itself. That being the case, how should I classify myself? Compassionate right winger? Left-wing capitalist? Anyway, even I have a hard time figuring out exactly where I stand ideologically but must admit that I've generally warmed more to the moderate left because of the personality I see associated with it. Though admittedly I do not vote for any party, left or right. I vote for candidates based on the issues they present. And I'll often find myself more likely to vote for a candidate whose ideas I disagree with but whose intentions I trust, over one whose ideas I agree with, but whose motives I distrust.

To some degree, I feel like a disenfrachised right-winger precisely because of the narrow-mindedness we find among many on the right.

benny · June 6, 2009

Of course I can accept that some ore more lucky in life than others, without a doubt. Some do have more opportunities. But why not let them give of their money voluntarily rather than rip it out of their hands?

Because luck is harder to assume than a duty.