dub Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Israel has moved ahead with a plan to build a new settlement in the northern West Bank for the first time in 26 years, pursuing a project the United States has already condemned as an obstacle to peace efforts.The move comes on the eve of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's first meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, despite Western calls for Israel to halt its settlement activity. source how many more 'obstacles to peace efforts' must we see from israel until the zionist apologists admit that israel doesn't give a shit about peace and international law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 "There is full consensus among Zionist parties that the Jordan Valley must remain under Israeli control within the framework of any diplomatic deal," he said. "The Jordan Valley is necessary for the sake of national security, and woe to the administration that strays from this path." zionists are a cancer to this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 See? I told you the Zionist Entity would do something you could Jew-bait with properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 See? I told you the Zionist Entity would do something you could Jew-bait with properly. israel is stealing more land and building more of these illegal settlements. you want to use your predictable anti-semite card to try to stop criticism of something that is wrong and illegal, go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 israel is stealing more land and building more of these illegal settlements. you want to use your predictable anti-semite card to try to stop criticism of something that is wrong and illegal, go for it. Oh by all means...bait away. It's your nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Oh by all means...bait away. It's your nature. ah yeah. okay. so does this mean you're okay with the illegal settlement expansion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 ah yeah. okay.so does this mean you're okay with the illegal settlement expansion? Illegal? In whose eyes? A country does what it wants. Heck Canada has been condemed by the United Nations many times for many things - has that ever stopped Canada from continuing? Borg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Illegal?In whose eyes? in whose eyes? in all of our eyes. israel is a signatory to international law. A country does what it wants. that's what hitler said. Heck Canada has been condemed by the United Nations many times for many things - has that ever stopped Canada from continuing?Borg the UN condemned canada for what? did canada annex U.S. land and then moved fanatical religious zealots to settle there? dub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 While the US is firmly behind Israel's back, there wouldn't be much possibility of a lasting peace. Settlement building will continue (as it did - in good, i.e peace accord, times; and in the bad ones; always), Palestinians will get p.. off and blow more stuff. The spiral twists. Ongoing foreign interference, in the form of supporting one side in the conflict, feeds it and it continues. Until we learn to walk the peaceful freedom democracy talk, there won't be much hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 While the US is firmly behind Israel's back, there wouldn't be much possibility of a lasting peace. Settlement building will continue (as it did - in good, i.e peace accord, times; and in the bad ones; always), Palestinians will get p.. off and blow more stuff. The spiral twists. Ongoing foreign interference, in the form of supporting one side in the conflict, feeds it and it continues. Until we learn to walk the peaceful freedom democracy talk, there won't be much hope. What is "peaceful freedom democracy"? Guess who is paying for the "peaceful freedom" between Israel, Egypt, and Jordan? Hint: It is not Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 What is "peaceful freedom democracy"? Guess who is paying for the "peaceful freedom" between Israel, Egypt, and Jordan? Hint: It is not Canada. guess who is paying for the zionist's agenda which is the 'greater israel'? answer: you are, american. about $3 billion a year, in case you didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 What is "peaceful freedom democracy"? Guess who is paying for the "peaceful freedom" between Israel, Egypt, and Jordan? You're finding there a contradiction? I think it only further confirms my point. Building peace by pumping arms and money into friendly regimes, how original! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 guess who is paying for the zionist's agenda which is the 'greater israel'?answer: you are, american. about $3 billion a year, in case you didn't know. Brilliant....please tell us something that we don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 You're finding there a contradiction? I think it only further confirms my point. Building peace by pumping arms and money into friendly regimes, how original! Building peace for who? I'm only finding a contradiction in your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Brilliant....please tell us something that we don't know. i guess some people are cool with knowing that their government holds another countries' interests above theirs. i guess some people are cool with knowing that per capita, israelis receive more american tax payer's money than americans do. way to go citizen! Edited May 21, 2009 by dub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Building peace for who? I'm only finding a contradiction in your posts. No, the contradiction exists only in your mind. Ongoing interference in supporting one side despite its highly questionable strategies, and pumping arms and money to friendlies to help them stay in power, is a doubtful long term strategy for a lasting peace. It is also the same strategy that created these problems in the first place, and continues to feed resentment and hate in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moderateamericain Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 No, the contradiction exists only in your mind. Ongoing interference in supporting one side despite its highly questionable strategies, and pumping arms and money to friendlies to help them stay in power, is a doubtful long term strategy for a lasting peace. It is also the same strategy that created these problems in the first place, and continues to feed resentment and hate in the region. Or the fact that on the day Israel became a country it was attacked by its neighbors and the Arab's within the region VOLUNTARLY moved out of the country only to find out the neighboring Arab nations gave even less a crap about them then if they had just stayed put. Look at it this way, if a family member rebeled against your household rules and tried to get the neighbor across the street to attack you, would you let that family member back into the house. I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Of course, we want to be completely oblivious and / or ignorant to what happened before the "first day", or how "it became", etc. It's fully in our right as well to always expect (from others) top notch peaceful and moral behaviours (like coming out with hugs and kisses, when we hit their car; or "appropriated" their land, and declared it our state, etc; just like us, remember? 9/11, Iraq, Guantanamo? Those truly peaceful examples of democratic endurance, justice and tolerance). Always keeping them to this highest standard of morality, ourselves, granted, soaring too high above to notice it (or think, for a minute, that it could also have some applicability - here, i.e. to ourselves - what a nonsense, really!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Or the fact that on the day Israel became a country it was attacked by its neighbors and the Arab's within the region VOLUNTARLY moved out of the country only to find out the neighboring Arab nations gave even less a crap about them then if they had just stayed put. Look at it this way, if a family member rebeled against your household rules and tried to get the neighbor across the street to attack you, would you let that family member back into the house. I doubt it. hey moderateamericain... how do you feel about the fact that, per capital, israelis receive more american tax money than americans? are you groovy with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 i guess some people are cool with knowing that their government holds another countries' interests above theirs. Correct...you should see how much money we blow for Canada! i guess some people are cool with knowing that per capita, israelis receive more american tax payer's money than americans do. Very cool......it is better to give than to receive. way to go citizen! Thank you....non-citizen....and thank-you for thinking about us too !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 No, the contradiction exists only in your mind. Ongoing interference in supporting one side despite its highly questionable strategies, and pumping arms and money to friendlies to help them stay in power, is a doubtful long term strategy for a lasting peace. It is also the same strategy that created these problems in the first place, and continues to feed resentment and hate in the region. So what? "Lasting peace" is a wet dream, and is only slightly less foolish than any "long term strategy" to achieve same. Resentment and hate is also popular in Canada....so what is the "long term strategy"? If you want a "Lasting Peace"....go to Mars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 That's certainly one way of looking at things. Master Zorg summarized it very well in the "Fifth Element" and I really don't see how much incessant blaring of justice and democracy could add to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 That's certainly one way of looking at things. Master Zorg summarized it very well in the "Fifth Element" and I really don't see how much incessant blaring of justice and democracy could add to it. The "blaring" is just part of the deal....and only has to be more effective than "their" blaring. So far...so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 We already discussed that zero sum strategy in another thread. Just as long as everybody's aware what they're buying (into). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 We already discussed that zero sum strategy in another thread. Just as long as everybody's aware what they're buying (into). Agreed...not only am I aware of what is being sold, I much prefer it to any alternative presented so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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