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when serbian civilians, afghani civilians or iraqi civilians see that the foreign soldiers are treating prisoners outside of the rule of law, which we've created and expect others to follow, then they lose respect for us and if you don't have the respect of the civilians, you cannot "win the war".

Exactly, something which Cheney and his followers just don't get. They're only concerned with the immediate situation and their emotional reactions to a problem.

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The Nazis - made my mother as a teenager sit in ice water up to her knees - and they would toss her a raw turnip every couple of days - then some officer would put a gun to her head and rape her - as for my father - he watched as his father tossed a note down form his jail cell - saying "run - you do not know me - I am not your father" - then the communists shot him - He saw the collapse of Europe - the bombing of Berlin - starvation - he served where he could - and in the end - all I could say - was that cancer set in - and he died - a tortured man - both of my parents were in effect torture victims - and it was not fun as a child to see the suffering that really never went away - so I suffered also - for the evil perpetrated on my mother and father - those that think torture is fine - should go back to hell where they came from.

Here is a taste of reality. It's different when its someone you actually know, not just a story in the news or on TV. But for most of us armchair philosophers, we have absolutely no idea. The poor and the most helpless, the harmless, they are easy pickings for cruel inhuman bastards. Those who are really cowards for doing it.

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Here is a taste of reality. It's different when its someone you actually know, not just a story in the news or on TV. But for most of us armchair philosophers, we have absolutely no idea. The poor and the most helpless, the harmless, they are easy pickings for cruel inhuman bastards. Those who are really cowards for doing it.

I watched them weep - Some guy that has influence over and oil company and the banks - who sits in a nice office - will condone torture - because he is simply bored and was the type of kid that pulled the wings off flys...spoiled brats who instruct guys like Cheney...it's misery and mischief along with a debauched bored life that allows torture - You just don't do it - Imagine being buried alive...enough horror may come on it's own without the assistance of humans to enhance the horror.

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I watched them weep - Some guy that has influence over and oil company and the banks - who sits in a nice office - will condone torture - because he is simply bored and was the type of kid that pulled the wings off flys...spoiled brats who instruct guys like Cheney...it's misery and mischief along with a debauched bored life that allows torture - You just don't do it - Imagine being buried alive...enough horror may come on it's own without the assistance of humans to enhance the horror.

What a crock....it's a lot more than "Cheney types" who "torture".....from pimps to Sister Mary. Lots of people "do it" if you want to cry me a river, but they don't matter in our political bullshitting contests here at MLW.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Exactly, something which Cheney and his followers just don't get. They're only concerned with the immediate situation and their emotional reactions to a problem.

Depends how close one gets to terrorism. After a terrorist attack, one asks one's-self: 'why did that group try to kill me and my family??' Emotional alright. For years I wanted to kill Gerry Kelly. Didn't know who he was...just what he attempted to do to me.

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Depends how close one gets to terrorism. After a terrorist attack, one asks one's-self: 'why did that group try to kill me and my family??' Emotional alright. For years I wanted to kill Gerry Kelly. Didn't know who he was...just what he attempted to do to me.

Right... what I said. When its you, its a whole different story, on either side of the fence. But its STILL done to the most poor and harmless. Easy pickins for cowards, easy criticism for armchair oafs.

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