benny Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I think he travelled to Afghanistan through normal routes... his father was part of a cell.... he's on video taking part in something bad but I haven't seen any evidence that he's committing crimes against the "Afghani state".... Khadr has not been shown to be either a criminal or a terrorist yet. I'm quite certain that you are right. Also, in 1996, the Khadr family was in Jalalabad where the father (Ahmed) had an NGO office. Quote
noahbody Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I think he travelled to Afghanistan through normal routes Rue's comment was related to how the cell entered Afghanistan, not how Omar entered. ... his father was part of a cell.... So was Omar. he's on video taking part in something bad but I haven't seen any evidence that he's committing crimes against the "Afghani state".... Allegedly, the video shows him planting land mines. If true, that is something bad. It's also illegal. Though the murder charge gets most of the headlines, he has been charged with other offenses as well, including attempted murder. I do believe it could be successfully argued that Omar didn't have a choice, because he was raised to be Al Qaeda. But that doesn't make him any less dangerous. He just wasn't a kid going through a period of rebelliousness, he was doing what he was raised from birth to do: fight for Allah. I haven't seen any evidence that his belief system has changed. Quote
benny Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) Rue's comment was related to how the cell entered Afghanistan, not how Omar entered.Allegedly, the video shows him planting land mines. If true, that is something bad. It's also illegal. Though the murder charge gets most of the headlines, he has been charged with other offenses as well, including attempted murder. I do believe it could be successfully argued that Omar didn't have a choice, because he was raised to be Al Qaeda. But that doesn't make him any less dangerous. He just wasn't a kid going through a period of rebelliousness, he was doing what he was raised from birth to do: fight for Allah. I haven't seen any evidence that his belief system has changed. - The case can be made that the cell was very attracted by home-grown famous resistance Afghan fighters like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and the Mollah Omar. - Children in old mined zone lose members by playing but also like to play and fake every aspects of war including, we have to suppose, planting mines. Edited May 12, 2009 by benny Quote
noahbody Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 - Children in old mined zone lose members by playing but also like to play and fake every aspects of war including, we have to suppose, planting mines. Some parents even send their children to terrorism summer camp. Quote
benny Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Some parents even send their children to terrorism summer camp. Just like some parents send their children to demine fields. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 The sooner we forget about Khadr and his family problems the sooner our problems in these regards will end - why do we empower these dumb underdeveloped immigrants who come to a civlized nation, while we facilitate their efforts of de-civilizing our home..forget about the bastards and stop furthering their stupid cause with free publicity. Quote
benny Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 The sooner we forget about Khadr and his family problems the sooner our problems in these regards will end - why do we empower these dumb underdeveloped immigrants who come to a civlized nation, while we facilitate their efforts of de-civilizing our home..forget about the bastards and stop furthering their stupid cause with free publicity. The more you will try to forget about terrorism, the more "the return of the repressed" will terrorize you. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 The more you will try to forget about terrorism, the more "the return of the repressed" will terrorize you. Cheney and the boys played right into the hands of those demanding a fair shake (terrorists) - instead of dealing with the world at large with a firm manly justice and with honour...these corporate heads that stole America - were cowards and sent out the troops and the special ops guys to kill them - WHILE people like Bush - Rove and Cheney hid like cowardly rats in their bunkers.....IF we had behaved like men of righteousness and with bravery - this matter of terrorism would not have grown to this proportion - it was western deception and cowardice that brought this about....and by the way - no one terrorizes me - I fear no man on earth. Quote
benny Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Cheney and the boys played right into the hands of those demanding a fair shake (terrorists) - instead of dealing with the world at large with a firm manly justice and with honour...these corporate heads that stole America - were cowards and sent out the troops and the special ops guys to kill them - WHILE people like Bush - Rove and Cheney hid like cowardly rats in their bunkers.....IF we had behaved like men of righteousness and with bravery - this matter of terrorism would not have grown to this proportion - it was western deception and cowardice that brought this about....and by the way - no one terrorizes me - I fear no man on earth. If you would not be terrorized, you would have spoken directly about the limits of democracy. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 If you would not be terrorized, you would have spoken directly about the limits of democracy. I did not have to speak - you know what I think - Democracy or demonocary - or mob rule - Even George Bernard Shaw a socialist said - "the majority is always wrong" - I believe that. Rule by poll is democracy I suppose - but not leadership. If the majority of people are cowards or of limited intelligence and spirit - and you allow them power because of their sheer numbers - you are going to have a severly defective outcome... Islamic bowing like symetrical insectisim - is true democracy and true socialism - the proverbial biblical "beast" is the mindless human collective - that is destructive - and as we know - real leaders need not apply..because if you do the bugs will overwhelm and eat the leader - then start a damned religion on the consumption and call it a sacrafice... Quote
benny Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I did not have to speak - you know what I think - Democracy or demonocary - or mob rule - Even George Bernard Shaw a socialist said - "the majority is always wrong" - I believe that. Rule by poll is democracy I suppose - but not leadership. If the majority of people are cowards or of limited intelligence and spirit - and you allow them power because of their sheer numbers - you are going to have a severly defective outcome... Islamic bowing like symetrical insectisim - is true democracy and true socialism - the proverbial biblical "beast" is the mindless human collective - that is destructive - and as we know - real leaders need not apply..because if you do the bugs will overwhelm and eat the leader - then start a damned religion on the consumption and call it a sacrafice... Cynicism is a classic defense mechanism. Quote
Radsickle Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) Cynicism is a popular attitude. I think Oleg means that the tyranny of the majority is actually a threat to democracy and real leaders are hard to find because the `crabs in the bucket' will pull them back down. Or produce attack ads... Edited May 15, 2009 by Radsickle Quote
benny Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 Cynicism is a popular attitude. I think Oleg means that the tyranny of the majority is actually a threat to democracy and real leaders are hard to find because the `crabs in the bucket' will pull them back down. I think the populace still insists to see heads rolling when social problems happen. Harper is betting that he can remain head of our state by offering Khadr as his surrogate. Quote
Radsickle Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 I think the populace still insists to see heads rolling when social problems happen. Harper is betting that he can remain head of our state by offering Khadr as his surrogate. Harper, ever the math-minded doufus for choreographic timing, timed his Afghanistan visit to coincide with his media announcement that he's taking a Canadian Judge to court over Khadr. I guess he thinks the efforts should be thought of in the same way.... Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 If he takes a Canadian judge to court - a judge that is appointed by our banking elite - then Harper is actually going to take on those that appointed him - talk about a show trial.... Quote
benny Posted May 16, 2009 Report Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) If he takes a Canadian judge to court - a judge that is appointed by our banking elite - then Harper is actually going to take on those that appointed him - talk about a show trial.... Now we understand why members of the highest social class seem so busy. Edited May 16, 2009 by benny Quote
Radsickle Posted May 16, 2009 Report Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) Now we understand why members of the highest social class seem so busy. why? Because they're obsessed with their image? I doubt whether our judges are appointed by our bankers, Oleg. Edited May 16, 2009 by Radsickle Quote
benny Posted May 16, 2009 Report Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) why? Because they're obsessed with their image?I doubt whether our judges are appointed by our bankers, Oleg. What we call the rule of law is mostly the rules that a bunch of lawyers, formed in some select law schools (Yale, etc.), come to agree upon. Edited May 16, 2009 by benny Quote
Radsickle Posted May 17, 2009 Report Posted May 17, 2009 What we call the rule of law is mostly the rules that a bunch of lawyers, formed in some select law schools (Yale, etc.), come to agree upon. Well, at least it's better than what the Taliban wanna impose. Quote
benny Posted May 17, 2009 Report Posted May 17, 2009 Well, at least it's better than what the Taliban wanna impose. One needs a sound moral theory before writing "better". Quote
Army Guy Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 Army Guy, I hope you understand that I'm not `narrow' and I honestly don't know what the Simple guy feels, other than hate. I don't think i've judged anyone ...But hate is a strong word....i don't hate Omar, Everthing he and his terrorist buddies do in the name of thier cause goes agains't every moral code and set of values i have have.....I glad our nation stepped up to the plate in Afghan...and i'm Honored to be a part of it... There's the rub, eh? His Dad and Mr. Bin Laden were buddies.... is that why Canada's ignoring a kid's rights? And what of the other kids in Canada that have been charged with Adult crimes, and are now being faced with Adult sentences....where is there voices, where is thier lobby groups.....And yet we have a Kid here that has commited perhaps the most serious crime of all, Treason to his country, possiable murder, definetly terrorist activties, those are some very serious crimes....crimes that should not be forgotten about because he was a "child Soldier", or better yet a Child terrorist.... This is my biggest worry too; by not respecting Mr. Khadr's rights, we are losing `hearts n' minds' globally. We should be following our democratic process (if we truly believe in it). Which hearts and minds, those in Afghan , the same people we will not hand over young mr Khadr to because he will be executed...because of the crimes he and his merry band of terrorists have commited....They want justice, and we prolong and drag it out....Candians want justice to be served as well. Let him face a Canadian court for his crimes, and let justice be served.... and when he gets out nobody will even remember who he is, or what he stood for....maybe some old Taliban will write a book about him.....but he will inspire no one...sir, you are so wrong. Trust me Khadr serves as a recruiting tool now because we drag this out. lets just get on with it, tommorrow he'll be yesterdays news.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 I think he travelled to Afghanistan through normal routes... his father was part of a cell.... he's on video taking part in something bad but I haven't seen any evidence that he's committing crimes against the "Afghani state".... Khadr has not been shown to be either a criminal or a terrorist yet. Lets take a second look shall we, he was there in a major fire fight that killed serveral Afghanis soldiers and one american....that can't be good in any law book.... A tape was found in the bombed out ruins....it shows Omar and his buddies , yes the same ones killed in the fire fight mentioned above, making IED's, and then going out and planting them at night in the american sector....clearly a terrorist activties, in Aghanistan, and ISAF laws and ROE....for this activity ISAF soldiers can engage and use deadly force without warning....Thats got to say something about the serverity of the crime.... Those mines that where planted where uncovered by American EOD teams the next day....Now thats just to funney On the tape Omar and his merry band of dead terrorist buddies.... they brag about killing american soldiers, and ISAF soldiers, about collecting a bounty set by the Taliban for every ISAF soldier killed.....clearly shows intent.... lets not forget the smoking AK 47 found just feet away from young mr Omar.... Watch the tape it was on Utube for the longest time.....see if you want this young man living in your sub divsion... Children in old mined zone lose members by playing but also like to play and fake every aspects of war including, we have to suppose, planting mines. Give me a break....and stop trying to make excuses for this terrorist.....these kids are involved in the real thing at ages of 8 or younger.....you think thats what they do to pass thier day, to replay a tramatic event ...let me ask you this do you replay a tramatic event in your life.... these kids see war close and personal everyday....the last thing they do is play it in thier spare time.....Here try my coffee it's not spiked.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
benny Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 Give me a break....and stop trying to make excuses for this terrorist.....these kids are involved in the real thing at ages of 8 or younger.....you think thats what they do to pass thier day, to replay a tramatic event ...let me ask you this do you replay a tramatic event in your life....these kids see war close and personal everyday....the last thing they do is play it in thier spare time.....Here try my coffee it's not spiked.... The real thing for children is their mothers, when they discover the existence of their fathers, anything can happen. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 The real thing for children is their mothers, when they discover the existence of their fathers, anything can happen. Ya Omar's mother is a gem as well, tried to convince some of her sons to become Suicide bombers....What she doing now anyways....with pops dead killed in a gun fight .....maybe he'll join big brothers....would you sign up for all of that and a pancake.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
benny Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 Ya Omar's mother is a gem as well, tried to convince some of her sons to become Suicide bombers....What she doing now anyways....with pops dead killed in a gun fight .....maybe he'll join big brothers....would you sign up for all of that and a pancake.... Confounding the sexes seems as perplexing for you as it is for Muslims. Quote
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