bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 As expected, the new American administration is supporting the existing ban on Maher Arar's travel to or over the United States.... The Canadian Press OTTAWA -- The new administration in Washington is refusing to reverse that country's ban on Maher Arar. The Syrian-Canadian computer engineer remains on a U.S. terrorism watchlist, despite having been exonerated and winning a multimillion-dollar settlement from the Canadian government. American officials indicated their policy on Arar won't change with the arrival of the new Obama administration. A senior diplomat at the U.S. embassy in Ottawa told Canadian reporters that Arar is not welcome in the country. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0416?hub=Canada Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 Why? Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 Why? Because he smokes dope? "A royal commission made its own decisions here in Canada, but the United States remains of the view that he is not admissible to the United States." http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090416/national/arar_us Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 Why? Americans elected another moron. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
noahbody Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 The Syrian-Canadian computer engineer remains on a U.S. terrorism watchlist, despite having been exonerated and winning a multimillion-dollar settlement from the Canadian government. Innocent like Brian Mulroney. Quote
tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) Because he smokes dope? "A royal commission made its own decisions here in Canada, but the United States remains of the view that he is not admissible to the United States." http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090416/national/arar_us On what evidence? They don't need any evidence to send an innocent person to Syria to be tortured for a year? We'd like that $10m back it cost us! Edited April 17, 2009 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 On what evidence?They don't need any evidence to send an innocent person to Syria to be tortured for a year? Nope....just confirmation from the RCMP. Besides, he was not tortured just because it was Syria. Arar skipped out on mandatory military service as well. Admittance to another country is not a right. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 Nope....just confirmation from the RCMP. Besides, he was not tortured just because it was Syria. The RCMP has revoked that. He was tortured. He was and is innocent. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 The RCMP has revoked that.He was tortured. He was and is innocent. The only thing that was tortured was the Canadian taxpayer. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 The only thing that was tortured was the Canadian taxpayer. The result has been that Mr. Arar, already the victim of inhumane and degrading treatment in Syria, has been subjected to further suffering owing to the release of information that has unfairly damaged his reputation here in Canada. I have heard evidence concerning all of the information gathered by Canadian investigators in relation to Mr. Arar. This includes information obtained in Canada, as well as any information received from American, Syrian or other foreign authorities. I am able to say categorically that there is no evidence to indicate that Mr. Arar has committed any offence or that his activities constitute a threat to the security of Canada. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Leafless Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 The result has been that Mr. Arar, already the victim of inhumane and degrading treatment in Syria, has been subjected to further suffering owing to the release of information that has unfairly damaged his reputation here in Canada. I have heard evidence concerning all of the information gathered by Canadian investigators in relation to Mr. Arar. This includes information obtained in Canada, as well as any information received from American, Syrian or other foreign authorities. I am able to say categorically that there is no evidence to indicate that Mr. Arar has committed any offence or that his activities constitute a threat to the security of Canada. The U.S. does not have to reveal what evidence they have against Mr. Arar. American officials said their policy on Arar — who was extradited by the U.S. and tortured in a Syrian prison — hasn't changed with the arrival of Barack Obama as president."Mr. Arar is not welcome in the United States," Terry Breese, a senior U.S. diplomat, told Canadian reporters Thursday in Ottawa. "A royal commission made its own decisions here in Canada, but the United States remains of the view that he is not admissible to the United States." Maher Arar, seen in a December 2006 photo, has launched a lawsuit against former officials of the Bush administration. (Fred Chartrand/Canadian Press)Breese also said the American government will not release any evidence it has against Arar because much of the information is classified. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/16/...-us-ban016.html Besides, a royal commision is not a court of law. Quote
tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 The U.S. does not have to reveal what evidence they have against Mr. Arar. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/16/...-us-ban016.html Besides, a royal commision is not a court of law. They have no evidence because there is no evidence. If they had any evidence, why did they send him to Syria to be tortured? October 11 to 16, 2002 Early the next morning Arar is taken upstairs for intense interrogation. He is beaten on his palms, wrists, lower back and hips with a shredded black electrical cable which is about two inches in diameter. He is threatened with the metal chair, electric shocks, and with the tire, into which prisoners are stuffed, immobilized and beaten. The next day Arar is interrogated and beaten on and off for eighteen hours. Arar begs them to stop. He is asked if he received military training in Afghanistan, and he falsely confesses and says yes. This is the first time Arar is ever questioned about Afghanistan. They ask at which camp, and provide him with a list, and he picks one of the camps listed. That's the problem with torture: People will say anything to try to get it to stop. However, they don't tell the truth under torture. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 ....That's the problem with torture: People will say anything to try to get it to stop. However, they don't tell the truth under torture. Irrelevant.....Canada and the USA determine who gets to cross the border...torture or not. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 Irrelevant.....Canada and the USA determine who gets to cross the border...torture or not. Justified or not. Arar is suing the US too, so that will tell the tale. Interesting little tidbit on a related topic: Obama releases torture memos that guided CIA: Some Obama administration officials have labeled one of the 14 approved techniques, waterboarding, as illegal torture. During war crimes trials after World War II, the United States prosecuted some Japanese interrogators for waterboarding and other methods detailed in the memos. Hmm ... but Obama's not going to prosecute the CIA agents operating under Bush's orders. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 Justified or not. Arar is suing the US too, so that will tell the tale. He already lost the first round. http://www.cerium.ca/Arar-s-U-S-lawsuit-dismissed Hmm ... but Obama's not going to prosecute the CIA agents operating under Bush's orders. That's right....no organ failures.....no prosecutions. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 He already lost the first round.http://www.cerium.ca/Arar-s-U-S-lawsuit-dismissed That's right....no organ failures.....no prosecutions. sick Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
waldo Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) New York Times editorial: The Unfinished Case of Maher Arar President Obama can demonstrate his commitment to human rights and the rule of law by addressing Mr. Arar’s case. He should pledge to review the case, including any questions raised by security officials. His administration should also issue a full report on Mr. Arar’s mistreatment, along with an apology, and an offer to compensate him for his injuries. All are long overdue. all in good time bush_cheney... the American Civil Liberties Union works on your behalf! April 16, 2009: Justice Department Releases Bush Administration Torture Memos "We have to look back before we can move forward as a nation. When crimes have been committed, the American legal system demands accountability. President Obama's assertion that there should not be prosecutions of government officials who may have committed crimes before a thorough investigation has been carried out is simply untenable. Enforcing the nation's laws should not be a political decision. These memos provide yet more incontrovertible evidence that Bush administration officials at the highest level of government authorized and gave legal blessings to acts of torture that violate domestic and international law," said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU. "There can be no more excuses for putting off criminal investigations of officials who authorized torture, lawyers who justified it and interrogators who broke the law. No one is above the law, and the law must be equally enforced. Accountability is necessary for any functioning democracy and for restoring America's reputation at home and abroad." Since 2003, the ACLU has filed several lawsuits to enforce FOIA requests seeking government documents relating to torture, rendition, detention and surveillance. These lawsuits have resulted in the release of thousands of records. "We need to know our history to learn from history," said Arthur Eisenberg, Legal Director of the New York Civil Liberties Union and co-counsel on the case. "Disclosure of these documents is essential for our country, and will shed much-needed light on one of the darkest chapters in American history." Edited April 17, 2009 by waldo Quote
Shakeyhands Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 sick agreed. I read that article this morning and lost respect. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 all in good time bush_cheney... the American Civil Liberties Union works on your behalf! Great...but every dime for Mr. Arar comes from your wallet...not mine. Pay him! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
madmax Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 Irrelevant.....Canada and the USA determine who gets to cross the border...torture or not. How's George Galloway doing ... Did he enjoy his stay in the USA Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 agreed. I read that article this morning and lost respect. Respect for what? America is the same as it ever was, and that includes torture....real torture (but no organ failures please)...not the inconveniences that Mr. Arar alleges. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 He already lost the first round.http://www.cerium.ca/Arar-s-U-S-lawsuit-dismissed Great...but every dime for Mr. Arar comes from your wallet...not mine. Pay him! c'mon, that's so old news - get a bit more current, hey. While you're at it, I'd suggest you check that wallet of yours - the groundwork is being laid: No Justice for Canadian Rendition Victim Maher Arar While the Executive and Judicial branches have denied Mr. Arar justice, there has been some recent motion in Congress. Two recent hearings dealt with his case, and on October 18, 2007 Maher testified via video at a House Joint Committee Hearing convened to discuss his rendition by the U.S. to Syria for interrogation under torture. During that hearing – the first time Mr. Arar testified before any U.S. governmental body – individual members of Congress publicly apologized to him, though the government still has not issued a formal apology. The next week, on October 24, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice admitted during a House Foreign Affairs Committee Hearing that the U.S. government mishandled his case. ... and, of course, as I mentioned - the ACLU is hot on the case to flush out those Bush administration officials - at the highest levels - who authorized and gave their legal blessings to acts of torture, rendition, detention and surveillance that violated domestic and international law. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 ... and, of course, as I mentioned - the ACLU is hot on the case to flush out those Bush administration officials - at the highest levels - who authorized and gave their legal blessings to acts of torture, rendition, detention and surveillance that violated domestic and international law. Good luck with that....we're still waiting for bleeding hearts like you to put Kissinger in jail. ..."at the highest levels".....ROFLMAO Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted April 18, 2009 Report Posted April 18, 2009 Good luck with that....we're still waiting for bleeding hearts like you to put Kissinger in jail...."at the highest levels".....ROFLMAO hey chuckles... keep laughing - all the way to open disclosure on who did what... the dominoes will (eventually) fall - one by one! C.I.A. Memos Could Bring More Disclosures Representative John Conyers Jr., the Michigan Democrat who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, on Friday raised the prospect of prosecuting senior Bush administration officials and Justice Department lawyers who authorized the harsh interrogations. “If our leaders are found to have violated the strict laws against torture, either by ordering these techniques without proper legal authority or by knowingly crafting legal fictions to justify torture, they should be criminally prosecuted,” Mr. Conyers said in a written statement. The American Civil Liberties Union, whose lawsuit forced the release of the Justice Department memos on Thursday, plans to press the Justice Department to release other classified documents from the Bush era, including a 2004 C.I.A. inspector general’s report that gives details about C.I.A. officers who exceeded Justice Department interrogation guidelines. “These are the first dominoes,” said Jameel Jaffer, an A.C.L.U. lawyer. “It will be difficult for the new administration to now argue that other documents can be lawfully withheld.” Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 18, 2009 Author Report Posted April 18, 2009 hey chuckles... keep laughing - all the way to open disclosure on who did what... the dominoes will (eventually) fall - one by one! Sure thay will...in your wildest ACLU dreams. You would have better luck praying to Glinda the Good Witch: http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/a...rite/glinda.jpg Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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