benny Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 What's considered abuse? To me, abuse marijuana means using it without due respect to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 It's not addictive, doesn't kill brain cells, doesn't cause lung cancer.What has lead you to those beliefs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 What has lead you to those beliefs? Marijuana addiction treatment Don't wait! It's easy! Call today! 1-800-559-9503 http://www.marijuanaaddictiontreatment.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) To me, abuse marijuana means using it without due respect to others. Due respect to others? To me, abusing marijuana is using the power of the state to criminalize personal behaviour that isn't any of your business. Edited April 16, 2009 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) Marijuana addiction treatment Marijuana is not physically addictive like narcotics are. Anyone could tell you that. But it is habit-forming, so it is psychologically addictive. But anything you enjoy can be habit-forming, from coffee in the morning to internet pornography. Do you really believe it is appropriate to use the criminal justice system to prohibit use of substances merely because they are habit-forming? Edited April 16, 2009 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 He could amend your constitution and make it illegal for you to have them. But don't start whining yet. I don't think he's proposed it. That's not how it works....."he" can't do anything of the sort. But he can bust dopers....and does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crade Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Marijuana addiction treatment Don't wait! It's easy! Call today! 1-800-559-9503 http://www.marijuanaaddictiontreatment.com/ I hate to play devils advocate, but this site insulted my intelligence. Don't get mislead! Most of the hard drug users have started their addiction with marijuana. - This is classic boolean logic blunder often used in manipulation. a implies b does not mean b implies a (no, not even a little) Remember if Marijuana would be so "innocent", you would not read this website now. - This one is classic manipulation.. and I'm pretty sure they plagerized this from neonazi.com and just swapped in Marijuana for Jews. The rest of the site can be summed up: - Marijuana gets you high - In some situations, being high can get you in trouble also, what kind of statistic is this: "marijuana was the third most commonly abused drug mentioned in drug-related hospital emergency department (ED) visits " I *mentioned* marijuana when I accompanied my alcoholic church minister to the ED, did I contribute to this statistic? Heres a better site (with references!) http://www.soop.ca/potfacts/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Marijuana is not physically addictive like narcotics are. Anyone could tell you that. But it is habit-forming, so it is psychologically addictive. But anything you enjoy can be habit-forming, from coffee in the morning to internet pornography. Do you really believe it is appropriate to use the criminal justice system to prohibit use of substances merely because they are habit-forming? It seems indeed that weaning someone of pot is too quick and easy to make pot production and consumption a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 That's not how it works....."he" can't do anything of the sort. But he can bust dopers....and does! Cheney made sure "he" is the most powerful president ever. With both the Senate and the House of Representatives on his side... wait, let me just repeat that... With both the Senate and the House of Representatives on his side, he has the political capital to do pretty much whatever "he" likes. That may involve dashing the upwardly mobile aspirations of kids like himself who have used drugs, it may not, we'll have to see. That may also involve criminalization of handguns. Who knows? The Right has made it a talking point that we don't know where Obama stands. So start your whining now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Due respect to others? To me, abusing marijuana is using the power of the state to criminalize personal behaviour that isn't any of your business. What is criminal is to produce pot without compensating all the people who would benefit more if what is used to produce pot (the soil for instance) would be used to produce something else than pot (food or fuel for instance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Don't get mislead! Most of the hard drug users have started their addiction with marijuana. - This is classic boolean logic blunder often used in manipulation. a implies b does not mean b implies a (no, not even a little) Most drug users started their addiction after they wore diapers too. I think diapers should be banned.What is criminal is to produce pot without compensating all the people who would benefit more if what is used to produce pot (the soil for instance) would be used to produce something else than pot (food or fuel for instance).Perhaps you should start with the grain being used for alcohol and the tobacco being used for cigarettes. I'm sure the world would benefit more if those fields were used for food or fuel. My point being, who are you to tell people what they can and cannot consume? If there is demand for the personal consumption of marijuana and it's being done responsibly, then farmers should be allowed to profit legally from its manufacture.On a side note about fuel, there was an article I read recently about how destructive biofuel farming is to the environment. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Perhaps you should start with the grain being used for alcohol and the tobacco being used for cigarettes. I'm sure the world would benefit more if those fields were used for food or fuel. My point being, who are you to tell people what they can and cannot consume? If there is demand for the personal consumption of marijuana and it's being done responsibly, then farmers should be allowed to profit legally from its manufacture.On a side note about fuel, there was an article I read recently about how destructive biofuel farming is to the environment. Just thought I'd throw that out there. We are all consumers competing against one another for the accessibility of cheap products. People feel the need to take drugs when this competition becomes too ruthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) Cheney made sure "he" is the most powerful president ever. With both the Senate and the House of Representatives on his side... wait, let me just repeat that... With both the Senate and the House of Representatives on his side, he has the political capital to do pretty much whatever "he" likes. You still don't get it....a Constitutional Amendment to abbrogate the right to bear arms takes a lot more than that. You also forgot about the Supreme Court. That may involve dashing the upwardly mobile aspirations of kids like himself who have used drugs, it may not, we'll have to see. That may also involve criminalization of handguns. Who knows? The Right has made it a talking point that we don't know where Obama stands. So start your whining now.... Dopers and Druggies make choices just like gun owners....and must live with the consequences. Obama can't/won't do anything about handguns except watch the number of right-to-carry states grow. Edited April 16, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dopers and Druggies make choices just like gun owners....and must live with the consequences. Obama can't/won't do anything about handguns except watch the number of right-to-carry states grow. If only USA would have a decent prescription drugs universal plan, people would not go on the street to buy painkillers from a cartel of gangsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 That is a misconscption, weed is not legal in Holland....you can still wind up in jail for trafficing, exporting or importing and growing You are correct. Marijuana is not legal in the Netherlands but there are no prosecutions for use or possession of small amounts. The same is true in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Italy and Spain. In Great Britain, use or possession of small amounts is subject merely to a fine: http://www.rism.org/isg/dlp/ganja/backgrou...EnforcProc.html In Canada, possession of even trace quantities is subject to up to six months in jail. There are now 600,000 Canadians who have a criminal record for simple possession. In the Netherlands, possession of up to five marijuana plants is not prosecuted. Under Harper's proposed legislation, Bill C-15, five marijuana plants will likely result in a mandatory jail sentence: http://www.hilltimes.com/html/cover_index....etter2/&c=1 Inexplicably, so-con Harper has chosen to align himself with discredited US policies on marijuana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahbody Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Under Harper's proposed legislation, Bill C-15, five marijuana plants will likely result in a mandatory jail sentence:http://www.hilltimes.com/html/cover_index....etter2/&c=1 How about posting a link to the bill and referring to specifics as evidence for your post instead of posting a letter to the Hill Times from the authors of whyprohibition.ca? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 How about posting a link to the bill and referring to specifics as evidence for your post instead of posting a letter to the Hill Times from the authors of whyprohibition.ca? One little step at the time: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/LEGISINFO...39&List=toc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Inexplicably, so-con Harper has chosen to align himself with discredited US policies on marijuana. Which "US policies"? Which states? Discredited by whom? Marijuana is illegal in many other nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 If only USA would have a decent prescription drugs universal plan, people would not go on the street to buy painkillers from a cartel of gangsters. Not sure what this has to do with ganja decrim, but I understand the natural instinct to point at the USA for all things unliked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) Not sure what this has to do with ganja decrim, but I understand the natural instinct to point at the USA for all things unliked. A puritan who starts smoking pot can do so because he is very proud of him, because he wants to show his defiance or simply because he wants to kill some physical or moral pain. Edited April 17, 2009 by benny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 A puritan who starts smoking pot can do so because he is very proud of him, because he what to show is defiance or simply because he wants to kill some physical or moral pain. Then he can be defiant with a criminal record...that will show them...so there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Then he can be defiant with a criminal record...that will show them...so there! Criminal records in the US are callings to mass murders and random killings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Which "US policies"? Which states? Discredited by whom? http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524483_12 http://www.alternet.org/story/98952/%0Dhtt...org/story/98952 http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/97297 But then, perhaps you think that the US should be proud of the fact that they incarcerate more citizens than any other country on earth, both in terms of absolute numbers and in terms of inmates per capita: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ernational/home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 The criterion is not freedom per se but maximum individual (negative and positive) freedom compatible with an equal freedom for everyone else. The case has to be made to show how legalizing pot is conducive to maximizing equal freedom for every person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Which "US policies"? http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f.../17/263933.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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