Michael Ignatieff, le Charmeur

[Alta4ever]

This policy should be simply to explain to Canadians that 100% of natural resources royalty payments have to be included in the equalization formula and to lower that percentage a bit if the reactions of Albertans remain irrational.

I don't think so, you already collect taxes on both the businesses and employees, it is taxed, not to metion that resources are provincial jursidiction. The ROC takes enough.

[August1991]

This policy should be simply to explain to Canadians that 100% of natural resources royalty payments have to be included in the equalization formula and to lower that percentage a bit if the reactions of Albertans remain irrational.

Including hydroelectric rents?

I don't think so, you already collect taxes on both the businesses and employees, it is taxed, not to metion that resources are provincial jursidiction. The ROC takes enough.

Exactly.

Canada is a complicated country. Global warming aside, 15,000 years ago, most of Canada was under about 3km of ice. IOW, Canada and Canadian politics are largely based on the results of glaciers.

I would say the same of Russia, but that's another story.

[benny]

I don't think so, you already collect taxes on both the businesses and employees, it is taxed, not to metion that resources are provincial jursidiction. The ROC takes enough.

Reforming the current taxation on both the businesses and employees by following in the footsteps of Dion (taxing what we don’t want) would be charming.

Without the ROC, there would be no workers in Alberta. The difficulty to reconcile economics and ecology comes from all these desperate migrants.

What are under provincial jurisdictions are only the decisions to develop or not natural resources. Once the decision to develop is taken, Canada can access the royalties.

[benny]

Including hydroelectric rents?

Yes, what is great about rent capture is that when we start capturing rents on one resource, we cannot stop until the capture of rents is completed on all natural resources (including internal natural resources like genes).

Edited March 26, 2009 by benny

[jdobbin]

Even rick mercer is saying what conservatives and indpendant thinkers on this board have been posting about the liberal leader.

That the Liberals should release an entire policy platform before and election?

[jdobbin]

IMHO, if Harper were smart, he would be a trustworthy Anglo in Quebec. I think though that Harper has lost his chance. The Tories will keep at most 10 seats in Quebec (Beauce, Quebec City). Moreover, it seems that Harper will wait for a new parliament when BC and Alberta have more seats. Harper has sold Quebec short.

While the Liberals will gain seats in vote rich Ontario and Quebec?

[Alta4ever]

Reforming the current taxation on both the businesses and employees by following in the footsteps of Dion (taxing what we don’t want) would be charming.

Without the ROC, there would be no workers in Alberta. The difficulty to reconcile economics and ecology comes from all these desperate migrants.

What are under provincial jurisdictions are only the decisions to develop or not natural resources. Once the decision to develop is taken, Canada can access the royalties.

Dion's tax was stupid, we saw it for what it was to bad 30% of canadians couldn't.

Canada cannot access the royalties as the resource is not "canada's" it belongs to the province that extracts/develops it from within their boarders. Equalization means that the provinces that are have nots get more federal tax monies sent to them rather then using those federal tax monies in the jurisdiction they were colected from or reducing taxes.

Federal governmetn has only three real responisblities defence, foreign policy, and justice. The rest have been usurped over time from the provinces. The firewall letter was about exercising these rights that prorivinces have and telling the federal government to butt out of matters that do not concern them.

[jdobbin]

Federal governmetn has only three real responisblities defence, foreign policy, and justice.

And some of the provinces want a say in that. Harper is most likely to consider it.

[August1991]

While the Liberals will gain seats in vote rich Ontario and Quebec?

Under Ignatieff? Yes.

[benny]

Dion's tax was stupid, we saw it for what it was to bad 30% of canadians couldn't.

Canada cannot access the royalties as the resource is not "canada's" it belongs to the province that extracts/develops it from within their boarders. Equalization means that the provinces that are have nots get more federal tax monies sent to them rather then using those federal tax monies in the jurisdiction they were colected from or reducing taxes.

Federal governmetn has only three real responisblities defence, foreign policy, and justice. The rest have been usurped over time from the provinces. The firewall letter was about exercising these rights that prorivinces have and telling the federal government to butt out of matters that do not concern them.

- By definition, taxing what we don't want cannot be stupid.

- Canada actually captures 50% of the Provinces' natural resources royalties.

- On federal responsabilities, you are mixing up the United States and Canada.

[Alta4ever]

- By definition, taxing what we don't want cannot be stupid.

- Canada actually captures 50% of the Provinces' natural resources royalties.

- On federal responsabilities, you are mixing up the United States and Canada.

I am not mixing up the US and Canada, better go take a look at our constitution. The provinces have sold out to the feds for money, it was done wholesale when Trudeau and Pearson held the wallet.

Healthcare - Provincial

Education - Provincial

policing - provincial

pension plan - provincial

tax collection -provincial

resources- provincial

water sheds -provincial

transporatation provincial

welfare - provincial

(financial exlcuding banks) Investments, insurance, credit union ect - provincial

Its time another premier stands up and uses the not withstanding clause.

[Alta4ever]

- By definition, taxing what we don't want cannot be stupid.

So you don't want c02, fine may as well nuke the planet then, because life cannot survive on this planet without it.

[benny]

So you don't want c02, fine may as well nuke the planet then, because life cannot survive on this planet without it.

Keep your billions of tons of CO2 enclosed on your property if you really believe it is so good for your life.

[Charles Anthony]

Guys,

Please stay on topic. Keep the discussion focussed on Michael Ignatieff's charm and not on environmental interventionism.

[myata]

I have no idea what Ignatieff stands for, other than becoming PM, and it's pretty clear that Harper'd do pretty much anything to remain one. Such are the choices, we're facing.

Yes I have to add my voice to the PR forum. How can we go on like this? If we have to have these mirror mask politics, at least, it should represent political makeup of the electorate. I can just visualize Ignatieff describing my tired, last minute and very last resort vote as a triumph of democracy, mandate for a change and blah.

[benny]

I have no idea what Ignatieff stands for, other than becoming PM...

Take a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff

[Alta4ever]

Take a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff

Sorry what are you one of those liberals that Rick Mercer was refering to when you ask for policy they quote his resume?

[benny]

Sorry what are you one of those liberals that Rick Mercer was refering to when you ask for policy they quote his resume?

No

[myata]

Take a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff

Thanks, but outside of recanted, reluctant or belated, there doesn't appear to be much. Only the position on Afghanistan, that still appears to be standing. For now.

I didn't look into academic or journalistic writings, as those can (and happen to have been) reversed on a tip of a pen.

[benny]

Thanks, but outside of recanted, reluctant or belated, there doesn't appear to be much. Only the position on Afghanistan, that still appears to be standing. For now.

I didn't look into academic or journalistic writings, as those can (and happen to have been) reversed on a tip of a pen.

Two notable political stances of Ignatieff:

- Ignatieff's stance on Canada's Afghanistan mission is only an exemplification of his general approach to international affairs, an approach called The Lesser Evil approach.

- On Quebec, Ignatieff endorses entrenching into the Constitution of Canada the recognition that Quebec is a nation.

Edited March 26, 2009 by benny

[Alta4ever]

Two notable political stances of Ignatieff:

- Ignatieff's stance on Canada's Afghanistan mission is only an exemplification of his general approach to international affairs, an approach called The Lesser Evil approach.

- On Quebec, Ignatieff endorses entrenching into the Constitution of Canada the recognition that Quebec is a nation.

great both decisions that Harper made for him. Let us know after the non-policy/non-leadership if the liberals have been able to find some policy or principles.

[benny]

great both decisions that Harper made for him. Let us know after the non-policy/non-leadership if the liberals have been able to find some policy or principles.

Harper made no decision for Ignatieff.

[Alta4ever]

Harper made no decision for Ignatieff.

Really i seem to recall controversy caused by the last leadership race where a certain candidate stepped in over the Quebec subject, and Harper put forward a motion in the commons. I think Harper made the decision on that. As for afgansistan, what decision had Mr. Ignatieff made not being the PM he has done nothing and his party has rubberstamped very decision on this file the conservatives have made since comming to office in 2006.

[madmax]

Guys,

Please stay on topic. Keep the discussion focussed on Michael Ignatieff's charm and not on environmental interventionism.

Well, if its any consolation. I have been accused as an Ignatief cheerleader on babble. I have been told that I love Ignatief and that I must think he is the greatest thing in the world.

Madmax, you have made you point about a dozen times and always the same point. We get it. You think Ignatieff is the greatest thing since sliced bread, you hate the NDP,

Charming isn't it.

However, I leave it to Progressive Tory to discuss "Le Charmer".

[benny]

Really i seem to recall controversy caused by the last leadership race where a certain candidate stepped in over the Quebec subject, and Harper put forward a motion in the commons. I think Harper made the decision on that. As for afgansistan, what decision had Mr. Ignatieff made not being the PM he has done nothing and his party has rubberstamped very decision on this file the conservatives have made since comming to office in 2006.

Among other things, you are confusing agreeing with the decisions of others and leaving the decisions to others.