DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 That's icing on the cake....ultimately...Canada's sovereignty trumps Galloway's free speech rights. I know...I'm torn. This is what it must feel like to support Islam and women's rights in the same breath/ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 ...it does not say in the Charter that one has to be a Canadian to be protected by it. Anyone on our soil benefits. Even more reason to be very careful who we let on our soil. Even if they do gain entry, the Charter does not give them the right to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 it looks like the Jewish Defence League of Canada has quite the grip on both harper and iggy's testicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 it looks like the Jewish Defence League of Canada has quite the grip on both harper and iggy's testicles. You really hate Jews, don't you, dub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 He's not ON our soil. Huh? My reply was to this.. Only Canadians have the "right" to exercise free speech in Canada, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I certainly don't support George Galloway and his views if he is a Hamas/Hezbollah supporter but I'm not sure whether barring him from Canada is the right thing to do.It's the same thing that routinely happens on Canadian universities where free speech is under attack and political correctness is the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 What sort of Bolshevik dungeon of a country are we allowing canada to become? First Ernst Zundel now this? What are we afraid of? Censorship is a mark of fear. Especially when we consider that Galloway is very close ideologically to the "lie-beral" party... perhaps Galloway is just a bit more "communistic" and is even unabashed about it... "Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." ~Potter Stewart "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too." ~Voltaire "We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still." ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Huh? You had stated that anyone on our soil benefits from the charter. I believe the appropriate response, as stated by Argus, was that he isn't on our soil. Seems pretty logical, what part of it are you having trouble following? it looks like the Jewish Defence League of Canada has quite the grip on both harper and iggy's testicles. Or perhaps, they're both right, and you're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 You had stated that anyone on our soil benefits from the charter. Which is true. Perhaps shady, you might see why I posted that , and in your own words, what part of it are you having trouble following? (hint see post by wilber) Perhaps a bigger print size would help you? I believe the appropriate response, as stated by Argus, was that he isn't on our soil. Which was fine, but irrelevant, ergo, what part what part of it are you having trouble following? Seems pretty logical, what part of it are you having trouble following? Thats actually quite funny seeing as how you are having trouble following along. Hows that arm today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 You had stated that anyone on our soil benefits from the charter. I believe the appropriate response, as stated by Argus, was that he isn't on our soil. Seems pretty logical, what part of it are you having trouble following?Or perhaps, they're both right, and you're wrong. no it probably is the terrorism of the JDL that's behind this nonsense... They've been know to suppress goyish criticisms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 What sort of Bolshevik dungeon of a country are we allowing canada to become? First Ernst Zundel now this? What are we afraid of? Censorship is a mark of fear. Especially when we consider that Galloway is very close ideologically to the "lie-beral" party... perhaps Galloway is just a bit more "communistic" and is even unabashed about it... "Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." ~Potter Stewart "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too." ~Voltaire "We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still." ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859 It's not about censorship, it's about who you let into your country. Hey, I'm an ahole therfore you must let me into your country so I can act like one. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 It's not about censorship, it's about who you let into your country. Hey, I'm an ahole therfore you must let me into your country so I can act like one. No thanks. an ahole? how objective! and I can't help but think: hey! we let a LOT of aholes (like the tamils, muslim fundamentalists, and even KNOWN terrorists) and they DO act like complete aholes with their shenanigans about Kirpans or ceremonial daggers that we let their kids brandish in our schools with OUR children, muslim fundamentalists who tell us our culture and country is diseased and an abomination, and that our women are whores... while we pay them their welfare and they reap the advatages of our culture... but we can't handle a dude like Galloway? something isn't logical here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 that we let their kids brandish in our schools with OUR children, something isn't logical here. No kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) No kidding. hmmm that is rather awkward... but did you notice the words taht precede that part of the sentence " with their shenanigans about Kirpans or ceremonial daggers that " someone not completely obtuse would have caught on and assumed that I was talking about brandishing "kirpans and ceremonial daggers" not children... did you have a refutation or comment on something other then sentence structure? Edited March 22, 2009 by lictor616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Oh come on Toad. You know darned well why. This has been turned into a free speech issue by Conservatives bashers. It's another opportunity to point fingers at the big bad Tories who are killing free speech and embarrassing the country. And, in turn, the Tories will do it to the Liberals when they're in power. At any rate, refusing the guy entry was silly, and making a big deal about his refusal was silly. Making something like this controversial, by any form, only gives this idiot more influence, not less. I don't care about his parliamentary standing. Galloway has been deemed to be in contravention of our laws. If this were not the case, as much as I think he is despicable, I would defend his right to free speech in Canada and elsewhere. Our laws on free speech are anything but free. The irony is that if any one of us publicly said half of the hateful things he says, we'd be hauled in front of the Human Rights Commission. And that's bad too. I loath pseudo-judicial tribunals, limits on free speech, and the moronic idea that dangerous ideas can be destroyed by silence. You can only destroy bad ideas by logical rebuttal. Refusing this twerp entry only draws attention to his idiocies, just as acting as if he's got something important to say does the same. In short, everyone should shut the f*** up. He's like crackpots like Zundel, he thrives on attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Feeling empathy for the Palestine people and offering relief does not make you a member of, or supporter of, terrorists. Why do you think the Palestine people were so desperate that they saw Hamas as the only gov't who could get them out of the horrible restrictions imposed on them by Israel?We created Hamas for not helping sooner and giving them an option. Oh BS. We've dumping millions into their pockets for years. The problem is that the Palestinian Authority is completely insane, lurching between severe corruption and lunatic fanaticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 One thing is certain is that this has generated more publicity for Galloway than would have happened otherwise. I am curious as to the security threat and would like to know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I am curious as to the security threat and would like to know more. indeed - if only to better understand the threat extent that Galloway could "pee on our carpet"... such eloquence coming from Alykhan Velshi, the spokesweasel for Harper's Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism Minister, Jason Kenney. Alykhan Velshi in conversation with Britian's Channel 4 News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dub Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 You really hate Jews, don't you, dub. why would you say that? how does my comment equal to me hating jews? what's wrong with you? why are people like you so quick to play the antisemitism card? can you be any more predictable? the JDL of Canada sent an open letter to the Canadian government and the Canadian government listened. it's not like the JDL of Canada made it a secret that they pushed for galloway's ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Huh?My reply was to this.. So? The point remains. He is not in Canada and thus has no rights of any kind under our Constitution. He certainly has no right to come here. No one does who is not a Canadian citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) del Edited March 22, 2009 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 an ahole? how objective! and I can't help but think: hey! we let a LOT of aholes (like the tamils, muslim fundamentalists, and even KNOWN terrorists) and they DO act like complete aholes with their shenanigans about Kirpans or ceremonial daggers that we let their kids brandish in our schools with OUR children, muslim fundamentalists who tell us our culture and country is diseased and an abomination, and that our women are whores... while we pay them their welfare and they reap the advatages of our culture... but we can't handle a dude like Galloway? something isn't logical here. What's illogical is for you to not want foreign trash into Canada - except for this foreign trash. A more logical and appropriate belief would be that we should not let ANY foreign trash into Canada, regardless of what kind of trash it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 And that's bad too. I loath pseudo-judicial tribunals, limits on free speech, and the moronic idea that dangerous ideas can be destroyed by silence. You can only destroy bad ideas by logical rebuttal. Refusing this twerp entry only draws attention to his idiocies, just as acting as if he's got something important to say does the same.In short, everyone should shut the f*** up. He's like crackpots like Zundel, he thrives on attention. I would tend to agree. I'm generally against any suppression of free speech. On the other hand, we're under no obligation to let foreign trash into Canada so they can spew whatever venomous drivel they think will get them an audience. Galloway seems to reek of all sorts of problems. I probably wouldn't have banned him, but I'm not about to get all upset by him not being allowed entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) why would you say that? how does my comment equal to me hating jews? I apologize if I'm mistaking your belief then. Generally speaking, most of the people who start making noises about the JDL and other Jewish organizations controlling government are those who like to wear white sheets at night and set fire to crosses. It's certainly true that the JDL won't like Galloway, and it's certainly true the JDL does its best to suppress any kind of speech which they find to be anti-Semitic. I disagree with them and find that stance to often be stupid and counter productive. But to suggest it has any undue influence on government is idiotic. This government has lots of reasons on its own to dislike Galloway and his ilk. I dislike him rather a lot myself and so far as I'm aware there isn't a drop of Jewish blood in my body. Edited March 22, 2009 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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