benny Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Funny the most of parts are interchangeable, same engine, same frame.... What is not interchangeable is the marketing of phantasms that are surrounding the brands. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Well, GM doesn't think so or else they'd just merge the product lines. Why won't they? If fact some of the GMC and chev trucks are built in the same factory. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
benny Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 If fact some of the GMC and chev trucks are built in the same factory. For something huge as this economic crisis to hide itself for sometime, bizarre join ventures are necessary. Quote
Wilber Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 For something huge as this economic crisis to hide itself for sometime, bizarre join ventures are necessary. There are lots of them, Chev and GMC are just badge engineered versions of the same vehicle. A Pontiac Vibe is a Toyota Matrix in a different dress. The Pontiac G8 which replaced the GTO and Bonneville is actually a Holden Commodore from GM Australia. GM's smallest cars have been based on Suzuki platforms since the Firefly. Various Chev's, Pontiac's and Buick's share platforms as do most Ford's and Mercuries. Ford and Volvo share platforms as does GM and Saab. Several Saturn models are based on Opel platforms from GM Germany. Some GM divisions in other parts of the world actually make money, the same goes for Ford. Ford and GM might have a bigger market share in Australia than they do in North America and it is interesting that when GM wants a rear wheel drive V8 muscle car to sell here, they go to the Aussies to get it. The RWD Chrysler products such as the 300, Charger etc use suspension design and other components from the previous Mercedes E platform. Chrysler wants to get into bed with Fiat because they need some cool, efficient small cars to sell. Fiat has several and this is a way for them to get back into the North American market. It will be interesting to see if they can make a deal. This industry will undergo huge changes in the next ten years if not sooner. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Funny the most of parts are interchangeable, same engine, same frame.... In other words, you missed the point of the post. Edited March 20, 2009 by Smallc Quote
benny Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 There are lots of them, Chev and GMC are just badge engineered versions of the same vehicle. A Pontiac Vibe is a Toyota Matrix in a different dress. The Pontiac G8 which replaced the GTO and Bonneville is actually a Holden Commodore from GM Australia. GM's smallest cars have been based on Suzuki platforms since the Firefly. Various Chev's, Pontiac's and Buick's share platforms as do most Ford's and Mercuries. Ford and Volvo share platforms as does GM and Saab. Several Saturn models are based on Opel platforms from GM Germany. Some GM divisions in other parts of the world actually make money, the same goes for Ford. Ford and GM might have a bigger market share in Australia than they do in North America and it is interesting that when GM wants a rear wheel drive V8 muscle car to sell here, they go to the Aussies to get it. The RWD Chrysler products such as the 300, Charger etc use suspension design and other components from the previous Mercedes E platform. Chrysler wants to get into bed with Fiat because they need some cool, efficient small cars to sell. Fiat has several and this is a way for them to get back into the North American market. It will be interesting to see if they can make a deal. This industry will undergo huge changes in the next ten years if not sooner. When it comes to explaining this economic crisis in terms of bizarre joint ventures, we have first and foremost I think to look at the relationships between credit rating agencies with investment banks. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 There are more differences, but that's beside the point. The most important thing is that they cater to different markets. Many people who drive a GMC would not lower themselves to buying a Chevy. It's simply the way the marketplace works. Partially true....early on, the main "marketing" reason for GMC light trucks was to give Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac dealers product offerings in that segment. Later these makes got their own light truck platforms. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Partially true....early on, the main "marketing" reason for GMC light trucks was to give Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac dealers product offerings in that segment. Later these makes got their own light truck platforms. That's one of their problems, GM had or has, Pontiac, Buick, GMC dealers plus Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Cadillac dealers as well as dealers selling Hummer and Saturn. The only thing they have done so far is drop the Oldsmobile name. Other major car companies only have two or maybe three brands of passenger vehicles. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Visionseeker Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 What is not interchangeable is the marketing of phantasms that are surrounding the brands. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Unfortunately, the market tumble has reduced my prize budget and all I'm offering is a ball of lint. Quote
Visionseeker Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 That's one of their problems, GM had or has, Pontiac, Buick, GMC dealers plus Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Cadillac dealers as well as dealers selling Hummer and Saturn. The only thing they have done so far is drop the Oldsmobile name. Other major car companies only have two or maybe three brands of passenger vehicles. You're on to something here. BTW - Do you know why they dropped Olds? Quote
benny Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) The bigger picture about the presence of Chrysler's subsidiaries in Canada has also to include the rules of origin (a form of protectionism that is forcing the fragmentation of production in different countries). Edited March 21, 2009 by benny Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 The bigger picture about the presence of Chrysler's subsidiaries in Canada has also to include the rules of origin (a form of protectionism that is forcing the fragmentation of production in different countries). Certainly if it is protectionism it sure is not working very well - and who put these rules in place - what's the persons name - and what motivated such an agreement - and who benefits and who loses? Quote
Wilber Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 You're on to something here. BTW - Do you know why they dropped Olds? It got the reputation of an old folks car and just wasn't selling enough from what I understand. The "Rocket" V8's of the fifties and 442 muscle cars of the sixties became just a memory for GM and its customers. Funny but I tend to think of Toyota the same way. Corolla's and Camry's are very competent cars but a rather mundane driving experience compared to much of what is available from the competition. The really interesting Toyota's like the MR2 and twin turbo Supra's are long gone and they don't build any hot little sedans to compare with what's available from Honda, Nissan, Mazda and VW. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
benny Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Certainly if it is protectionism it sure is not working very well - and who put these rules in place - what's the persons name - and what motivated such an agreement - and who benefits and who loses? I think, ultimately the answer is most rulers want to protect themselves from the local population by creating activities (jobs) that will divert it from thinking about revolution. Quote
lictor616 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianp...-0R2boDwD4UdtCgMy guess is that the company will leave Canada. good I say, let them prop up their mexican plant so they can continue to make ugly, boring and inneficient cars... Why aren't we just kicking these useless companies out? Howabout getting some desperate european brands in with their superior diesel cars? Why not let Peugeot or renault or citroen, alfa romeo, lancia, Skoda, Seat et al take oevr from these automotive basketcases? Let the americans sell their worthless junk to south america, while we move with about in nice European cars that could be assembled here one day? I mean dodge caliber or Peugoet 206 or Alfa 147? you'd have to be a raving lunatic to choose the dodge... Edited March 22, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) ....Why not let Peugeot or renault or citroen, alfa romeo, lancia, Skoda, Seat et al take oevr from these automotive basketcases? Indeed...but why never a Canadian make? Even tiny Sweden has managed to do that. Edited March 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Indeed...but why never a Canadian make? Even tiny Sweden has managed to do that. absolutely, i'd totally get behind that! Australia's got Holden (well which is sorta like GM) but I do wonder why we never got around to making our own! We had Bricklin I think at one time... but like the Avro project got scrapped by american intervention. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) absolutely, i'd totally get behind that! Sure...always the talk...but never the walk. Australia's got Holden (well which is sorta like GM) but I do wonder why we never got around to making our own! We had Bricklin I think at one time... but like the Avro project got scrapped by american intervention. Bricklin was a complete disaster. American "intervention" is the oft used excuse for just not getting the job done. When American capital comes calling, it seems that the job does get done...funny how that works. Edited March 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Sure...always the talk...but never the walk.Bricklin was a complete disaster. American "intervention" is the oft used excuse for just not getting the job done. When American capital comes calling, it seems that the job does get done...funny how that works. exactly, and you and your dead nation (that is at the moment waiting for the undertaker) can take your intrinsically worthless trading stamps and do as you wish in YOUR part of the world... what do you care if canada fails at something? Don't worry about us not getting the job done, your pathetic auto industry is no better, look at them panhandling to the tax paying serfs in the US for their own idiocy and incompetence! What is more the american people are PAYING them to do it again! this is one of the thousands of ways showing how the Boobus Americanus is no longer a viable specie of mammalian life.. bush_cheney2004? what a simpering dolt you must be... Edited March 22, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 exactly, and you and your dead nation (that is at the moment waiting for the undertaker) can take your intrinsically worthless trading stamps and do as you wish in YOUR part of the world... Would love to, but the whining from your side of the fence would still continue. what do you care if canada fails at something? Don't worry about us not getting the job done, your pathetic auto industry is no better, look at them panhandling to the tax paying serfs in the US for their own idiocy and incompetence! What is more the american people are PAYING them to do it again! Perhaps......we're still waiting for that great Canadian car make. this is one of the thousands of ways showing how the Boobus Americanus is no longer a viable specie of mammalian life.. We know who's doing the most tit sucking. bush_cheney2004? what a simpering dolt you must be... lictor616.....how many times do you lick it? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Would love to, but the whining from your side of the fence would still continue. Perhaps......we're still waiting for that great Canadian car make. We know who's doing the most tit sucking. lictor616.....how many times do you lick it? what a miserable lackey you are... I think you could focus on the cataclysm which is in store for the US more then if Canadians could produce an automobile. How about commenting on the pest hole your country is becoming? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 what a miserable lackey you are...I think you could focus on the cataclysm which is in store for the US more then if Canadians could produce an automobile. How about commenting on the pest hole your country is becoming? Nah...you are new rookie meat for my post counter. Your type burns out fast after spewing invective America's way. The topic is your own festering puss hole in Ontariariario. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Nah...you are new rookie meat for my post counter. Your type burns out fast after spewing invective America's way.The topic is your own festering puss hole in Ontariariario. The topic is also the many nations of the world to whom you owe money to... (china and canada for instance) whom you must beg (hat in hand) not to collect... what possible lessons or advice can a bush cheney guy have for canada? How to ruin your country ideologically, morally, above all economically in record time? Or how to be a pro big government, pro illegal immigration, pro big spending "conservative" or "republican" hurry up and get a job to pay taxes boy! 13 million Hispanic illegals and millions of black welfare queens are depending on you... come on slave of the infernal revenue... fetch!!!! your masters in the District of Corruption ordered you! Edited March 22, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 The topic is also the many nations of the world to whom you owe money to... (china and canada for instance) whom you must beg (hat in hand) not to collect... Your ignorance is plain to see.....you can't call a treasury....suckers! what possible lessons or advice can a bush cheney guy have for canada? How to ruin your country ideologically, morally, above all economically? The lesson is simple.....be careful which ass you affix your economic lips to. hurry up and get a job to pay taxes boy! 13 million Hispanic illegals and millions of black welfare queens are depending on you... come on slave of the infernal revenue... fetch!!!! your masters in the District of Corruption ordered you! That's OK...we've got Canadian illegals too....all are welcome. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Your ignorance is plain to see.....you can't call a treasury....suckers!The lesson is simple.....be careful which ass you affix your economic lips to. That's OK...we've got Canadian illegals too....all are welcome. ahahahaha you cynical clown! canadian illegals! who ? Jim Carrey? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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