KingIggy Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 you are a 100% puppet to the liberal party, no better then a shep in the red flock....baaaaaaaa.News to you king iggy it id a widely known fact that it is a conservative government in power one that has eceived as much of thee popular vote as Chretien did. You veiw of Canadians seems a little misguided. If I'm a puppet of the Libs, why do I tell those who don't like the Libs to vote NDP ? Face it, twit, you are a total Neo-Con ROBOT. The rightwing fascists have programmed you to support maximum war, maximum greed and maximum persecution of those who dare to reject puritanical moralism. You are a typical Authoritarian maniac, looking to deliver Bush-Cheney policy to Canadians. Harper is a Republican puppet, likely pumped full of toxic pharmaceutical poisons to give him pasted smile and vaccuous glare. Quote
capricorn Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Harper is a Republican puppet, likely pumped full of toxic pharmaceutical poisons to give him pasted smile and vaccuous glare. I was a fan of The Twilight Zone too. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
blueblood Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 If I'm a puppet of the Libs, why do I tell those who don't like the Libs to vote NDP ?Face it, twit, you are a total Neo-Con ROBOT. The rightwing fascists have programmed you to support maximum war, maximum greed and maximum persecution of those who dare to reject puritanical moralism. You are a typical Authoritarian maniac, looking to deliver Bush-Cheney policy to Canadians. Harper is a Republican puppet, likely pumped full of toxic pharmaceutical poisons to give him pasted smile and vaccuous glare. I have a question, does your tinfoil hat pick up XM or Sirius? Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Alta4ever Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Well, you would be wrong. We have 72 which were just completely redone (8 are in the process of being redone). They are fitted with the latest systems. I remember reading that about half are ready for launch within one hours notice. There are others in mothball if necessary. Our military is not in nearly as deplorable a condition as you seem to think. Just because what we have has been upgraded doesn't mean they are all airworthy, I doubt on two hours notice we could have more then 30 in the air on two days notice I highly doubt half the fleet would be air worthy. Just because they are listed as capable in inventory doesn't mean they can be flown. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) If I'm a puppet of the Libs, why do I tell those who don't like the Libs to vote NDP ? Because you are a half baked moron who has no ablity to reason. You are a typical Authoritarian maniac, looking to deliver Bush-Cheney policy to Canadians. Do you even know what authoritarian is? Do you know what facist is? Conservatives are not authoritarian, we want less government intervention in our lives not more (socialists like the NDP seem to like this though). We want to enjoy our freedoms not have the government make choices for us like say the socialist do gooders who want the government to control my diet. You are nothing more then a child like idiot who does not understand the words they are typing. In time you will tire of the real word and go back to talking to your toaster. Good Day. Edited March 3, 2009 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) Just because what we have has been upgraded doesn't mean they are all airworthy, They're all airworthy. It was major overhaul and its still in progress. They aren't all ready to go on a moments notice. That number is around 10. 30 are ready to go within the hour. I read this all somewhere, but I can't remember where. According to Wikipedia (take it for what it is) 70% of the 48 aircraft in operational squadrons (the other 32 are normally used for training) are ready to go on a daily basis. The rest can be ready quite quickly if I remember from the other thing that I read. There is a total of 98 jets available, 80 of which are or soon will be state of the art. Edited March 3, 2009 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 They're all airworthy. It was major overhaul and its still in progress. They aren't all ready to go on a moments notice. That number is around 10. 30 are ready to go within the hour. I read this all somewhere, but I can't remember where. But what does ready to go mean in terms of ordnance, in-flight refueling, spares, ground support, etc. I remember back in 1999, CF-18s didn't have enough FLIR pods for ground attack or proper comms suites, and had to buy bombs from the Americans at Aviano after they ran out. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) But what does ready to go mean in terms of ordnance, in-flight refueling, spares, ground support, etc. The fleet has been reduced in size (by quite a bit) to fix most of those problems. It used to be that we had a large number of planes, but almost none were kept airworthy. As for in flight refueling, it really depends if there is a properly equipped CC-130 or CC-150 within range. Edited March 3, 2009 by Smallc Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 They're all airworthy. It was major overhaul and its still in progress. They aren't all ready to go on a moments notice. That number is around 10. 30 are ready to go within the hour. I read this all somewhere, but I can't remember where.According to Wikipedia (take it for what it is) 70% of the 48 aircraft in operational squadrons (the other 32 are normally used for training) are ready to go on a daily basis. The rest can be ready quite quickly if I remember from the other thing that I read. There is a total of 98 jets available, 80 of which are or soon will be state of the art. Again because they are in operational squadrans doesn't mean they are ready to go. Every fighter requires so many hours of maintance per hour of flight operations, this means with the limit ground crews that we have, we could not field the full compliment of the squadrons on a moments notice, and those that had seen service on the first couple of days would need maintance before going up again. MOre then half of what is parked in hanagers is not ready to go. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
DogOnPorch Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 The interesting thing in my mind is that this was a Tu-160 Blackjack rather than the standard Tu-95 Bear. The Tu-160 isn't a recon machine but rather a B-1 style Mach 2 nuclear bomber. While the older Bear could no doubt still carry nuclear weapons its main role is now naval reconnaissance. The use of a Blackjack to test the defences...or whatever...is very provocative. ------------------------------------------------ Look up...look wayyy up... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) The interesting thing in my mind is that this was a Tu-160 Blackjack rather than the standard Tu-95 Bear.... Ah yes.....the good old days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tomcat_escorts_Bear.jpg ....You never close your eyes anymore when I kiss your turboprops.... Edited March 3, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 More then half of what is parked in hangers is not ready to go. That's correct. There are 121 airframes in the hangars. That said, 70% of the operational squadron (34 jets) are ready to go within short notice. They can fly today and probably within the hour (provided there are enough pilots on or near base). Keeping them up there is a different challenge. At least 8 jets are kept at the ready all of the time. 4 at each base are on standby. When we have jets stationed in Labrador or in the Arctic, that number is higher. People (like you) always seem to want to point out our failings. I think its important to point out what is good right now and suggest improvement. I think that we should have a permanent fighter presence in the arctic. We should have a few more jets ready to go at a moments notice....in reality though, the whole fleet doesn't need to be ready. First, it would be a waste, and second, dogfights probably wouldn't happen in today's world. Quote
blueblood Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 dogfights probably wouldn't happen in today's world. Did you not hear of the F22, that plane is a specialized dog fighter of the highest order. What is it 12 on one it can handle? The next step up from that is drones. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Alta4ever Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) That's correct. There are 121 airframes in the hangars. That said, 70% of the operational squadron (34 jets) are ready to go within short notice. They can fly today and probably within the hour (provided there are enough pilots on or near base). Keeping them up there is a different challenge. At least 8 jets are kept at the ready all of the time. 4 at each base are on standby. When we have jets stationed in Labrador or in the Arctic, that number is higher. People (like you) always seem to want to point out our failings. I think its important to point out what is good right now and suggest improvement. I think that we should have a permanent fighter presence in the arctic. We should have a few more jets ready to go at a moments notice....in reality though, the whole fleet doesn't need to be ready. First, it would be a waste, and second, dogfights probably wouldn't happen in today's world. Yes I want those failing fixed because you never know just when you might need it, and aircraft are a lot cheaper than naval vessels when it comes to patroling arctic waters. I know that a whole fleet is never ready to go, that is an impossibility that is why a slightly larger fleet of Aircraft would be nice to have. Edited March 3, 2009 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
DogOnPorch Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Many Bears still soldier on. The Russian tailgunner holding up a Pepsi was my favorite shot from the Cold War intercept days. The Mya-4 Bison is the one that seems to have gone the way of the dinosaur. -------------------- ...and I'll call Rusty. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Did you not hear of the F22, that plane is a specialized dog fighter of the highest order. Oh, it could happen, but against most opponents....an F22 or F 18 Super Hornet wouldn't have to fight long. Even our F 18s (which have a large portion of the Super Hornets electronics) are look and shoot aircraft. Enemy jets wouldn't stand much of a chance. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 second, dogfights probably wouldn't happen in today's world. How many times have we heard this line before? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
blueblood Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Oh, it could happen, but against most opponents....an F22 or F 18 Super Hornet wouldn't have to fight long. Even our F 18s (which have a large portion of the Super Hornets electronics) are look and shoot aircraft. Enemy jets wouldn't stand much of a chance. That attitude is what has caused severe problems in the vietnam war, there are gattling guns on those planes for a reason. Even the F22 gets one! Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Alta4ever Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 The MIG 35 would be a a very tough opponent for a F-18. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
DogOnPorch Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 How many times have we heard this line before? True enough. blueblood: The next step up from that is drones. Drones won't worry too much about blackouts and redouts...20+G turns, etc. ----------------------------------- It's a Daisy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 The MIG 35 would be a a very tough opponent for a F-18. Depends who is flying what. Pilot quality is THE major factor. ------------------------------ It's a Daisy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 The MIG 35 would be a a very tough opponent for a F-18. I think I used the word most. Quote
Smallc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 That attitude is what has caused severe problems in the vietnam war, there are gattling guns on those planes for a reason. Even the F22 gets one! Yes, I understand that, and jets are equipped as such. Most battles though, will be fought with missiles. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Yes, I understand that, and jets are equipped as such. Most battles though, will be fought with missiles. Shades of Top Gun....and loss of air combat skills. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) Yes, I understand that, and jets are equipped as such. Most battles though, will be fought with missiles. Unless you get a Viet-Nam like situation where visual contact must be made with the enemy aircraft before one can attack. Politics have a habit of getting in the way of combat in modern times. --------------------------------------------- It's a Daisy. Edited March 3, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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