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If the administration wants to restrict the benefits of the stimulus package to states who support the plan, then the corollary is that there should be a meaningful opt-out for states who do not wish to support the plan. If there is no way to feasibly provide an opt-out, then the fair thing would be to consider reasonable objections, and proceed in the manner most consistent with the goals of the plan while respecting the constitution's division of state and federal jurisdiction and any other rules that might be tempting to break along the way (cough*NAFTA*cough).

-k

Yah right Michigan wants to opt of the stimulus what planet do you live on?

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Who said they did, cup-cake?

-k

You did when you said

"These state lawmakers are not attempting to secede from the United States. They are alleging that elements of the stimulus plan are an intrusion of federal government into areas of state jurisdiction and are taking action to assert their authority (ie, sovereignty) over areas given to states under the US Constitution."

That might be true of 3 or 4 on the list but not all 8.

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Almost 50% from one province.

No it isn't. The results of the last referendum can't be applied 14 years later....especially with the way the question was framed. Polls put the sovereignty issue at about 1/3 in Quebec. That also doesn't necessarily mean that all of those people want to leave.

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No it isn't. The results of the last referendum can't be applied 14 years later....especially with the way the question was framed. Polls put the sovereignty issue at about 1/3 in Quebec. That also doesn't necessarily mean that all of those people want to leave.

Time gives you a problem. It existed at one point. I never gave a date for that number. :rolleyes:

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We don't actually no that.

We actually do. 50.58% "No" to 49.42% "Yes".in 1995.

The question was never clearly framed.

Of course it was.

Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?

http://207.61.100.164/cantext/modpolit/1995pqbq.html

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We actually do. 50.58% "No" to 49.42% "Yes".in 1995.

Of course it was.

Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?

http://207.61.100.164/cantext/modpolit/1995pqbq.html

That was far from clear, but clearly a request for a blank cheque. What would have been the formal offer? Did anyone try to define the partneship?

All thise Qs and moe were left vague and undefined on purpose, the answer was and is, sovereigny is what youy would like it to be, vote Qui.

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An extensive search of the net reveals 8 states are declaring sovereingty with speculation that more states are going to follow suit, not too be confused with seceding, and not to be covered by main-stream media. Curious of what peoples opinion of this...

America is a collection of states or nations that all have sovereingty. The very name . The Unitied Nations Of the Americas clearly states that this empire is a collection of states...to voice independence is not a bad thing in regards to the whole. A bit of careful private micro management would be a good thing. Those that oppose such a move towards re-stating a mini-declaration of independence are probably more concerned about dominational power than the welfare of the state. It's a good thing to stand up and say - yes we are in union but we are free...This is like a wife or husband standing up and stating - we are together and unified but we love each other enough to grant total freedom. Sounds sophisticated and evolved to me!

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Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?

http://207.61.100.164/cantext/modpolit/1995pqbq.html

This sounds like something Leafless would write! Well, not the words, just the style of writing.

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Eleven States Declare Sovereignty Over Obama’s Action

State governors -- looking down the gun barrel of long-term spending forced on them by the Obama “stimulus” plan -- are saying they will refuse to take the money. This is a Constitutional confrontation between the federal government and the states unlike any in our time.

In the first five weeks of his presidency, Barack Obama has acted so rashly that at least 11 states have decided that his brand of “hope” equates to an intolerable expansion of the federal government’s authority over the states. These states -- "Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California...Georgia," South Carolina, and Texas -- "have all introduced bills and resolutions" reminding Obama that the 10th Amendment protects the rights of the states, which are the rights of the people, by limting the power of the federal government.

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You'd think a former constitutional professor would have a full grasp of the 10th Amendment, but apparently not.

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The reason it hasn't been covered much is that it isn't yet news. These are bills before the state houses that haven't been passed and are unlikely to pass.

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/20...ulture-watch-5/

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...mp;pageId=88218

more news on this front, oklahoma and south carolina have passed resolution through the house, off to the senate they go

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/0...ty-resolutions/

is it considered news yet?

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I highly doubt that the fringe represent the voice of America.

I hope you're right,but just for fun,keep an eye on this sight...

www.trackforum.com

Once in a while,check in on the current events page.It's an auto racing site,but for loony right wing nutjobs it's pretty good! :lol:

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