Oleg Bach Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 Mamma mamma Obama ! Good lordie lord lord...You can heal the sick but can not bring back the dead! Took a look at the word stimulus in regards to Obamas vain attempt to "jump start" the American economy - the root of the word is to goad - and a goad is a sharp stick used to incite animals to move..primarily oxen that have given up pulling the load. People are like cattle - you can milk them gently and they keep producing milk - over milk them and they get weak in the knees ----keep milking them they will lay down and refuse to get up --- keep it up and they die. The people have been under so much pressure emotionally and financially in the last 8 years of abuse by the now gone administration that they have given up --- You can suck so much blood and terrorise the mind - and then it happens - all motivation to succeed and have a good life fails.. There is the "persuit of happiness" but if you are not allowed to catch that illusive rabbit on occassion you will simply give up. Now Obama wants to "stimulate" what is a corpse - all the pin pricking and words of "hope" are not going to cut it - there will be an economic depression because the last group of goons that ran the place depressed the nation spiritually with false Christianity headed by the lowly priest Bush and his corporate henchpriest Cheney - first comes emotional and mental depression - and then comes the one with the dollar sign attatched. It's much like a vampish wife that is totally materially minded and constantly seeks status. A wife the brow beats her husband about money to the point that he becomes unhappy - and an unhappy person is not welcomed in the work place nor are they productive - and its' human nature that you do not give money to the morose..but to the smiling flower - much like you do not water the dying bloom but the one in it's full glory. The last administration damaged the population to such a point that they are to sick to rise..total subjugative greed - fraud - the wasting of human life in a war that is but a corporate take over. You do not ride the horses into a foaming sweet then expect them to continue to serve your needs --- they took to much and the public will give no more! Stimulate all you want - a corpse can not be risen - even the Messiah boy Obama can not pull this off. Quote
Shady Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 What in God's name are you talking about? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Posted February 10, 2009 What in God's name are you talking about? Why God of course - I suspect he really does not like the behaviour of a state that fought against slavery then forgot the lessons of the past and now have poor China as a slave..not to mention extorting the tax payer with "buy out packages" that go to the high faluting crooks...who greeded themselves right into the poor house.. Seriously - let me simplfy..The last ten years in America have emotionally and mentally drained the people of their vigor - due to political and finacial abuse - plain old corruption -----ONCE YOU DEPRESS A POPULACE MENTALLY - FINACIAL DEPRESSION SOON FOLLOWS .....can you understand that concept...unhappy people are not productive people. Quote
sharkman Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 Okay, so anyway, the stimulus package passed, mostly along party lines. I have a few observations about this. First, Obama didn't need to campaign for Rep votes to get the bill through. He had the votes from day one. So why all the hand wringing? It was a show, designed to avoid the truth, that Obama can slam through any bill he wants because they don't really have any check and balances right now, but that would look undemocratic to Americans, hence the show. Second, Obama promised they'd have the bill for 48 hours so they could read the thing(over 1100 pages)before voting on it. Didn't happen, they got it at 1 am of the day they were forced to vote on it. Pelosi had a trip to France lined up and didn't want to postpone for some reason. By comparison, McCain suspended his campaign when the Senate was debating what to do about the bank crisis. Anyway, no one could read it before voting on it. Third, I heard a stat on this bill that I can't, as yet, confirm. It was reported by a Congressman being interviewed on Fox News. This stimulus package will have 7% spent this year. Obama has pleaded and begged about the urgent need to get it done NOW to kickstart the economy, and it turns out they won't begin spending in earnest until next year. That does not help now. How bizarre is that? By comparison, Canada is spending the most this year, less next year. Fourth, they voted, the bill passed, and now guess what. It sits on Obama's desk over the weekend unsigned. He's taking the weekend off. I am not making this up. This emergency bill sits on Obama's desk until Tuesday when he gets back from his weekend. They could have given the 48 hours to read, but Pelosi's trip took precedence. What a joke. Quote
Shady Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 Fourth, they voted, the bill passed, and now guess what. It sits on Obama's desk over the weekend unsigned. He's taking the weekend off. I am not making this up. This emergency bill sits on Obama's desk until Tuesday when he gets back from his weekend. They could have given the 48 hours to read, but Pelosi's trip took precedence. What a joke. Exactly. It's not going to be signed into law until tomorrow, but for some reason, it just couldn't wait to be read by those who were asked to vote for it on friday. Using the weekend to peruse the stimulus bill, I guess would have contributed to an economic disaster? But the Messiah can take the weekend off, Pelosi can head to Italy for vacation, and the bill can wait until tuesday to become law. Hope n change! Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Posted February 16, 2009 Find the person that robbed the bank and swandered the loot - then take billions in tax dollars and give that to the robber so he can continue to live the life he is accustomed too... That's my definition of stimulus...packaging...something tells me they are stimulating the left sinister side of the equation and not the right one...so what will happen---by shoring corporations and private individuals who "made mistakes?" --- More of the same...Then they will need a stimulus bail out to bail out the stimulus bail out - real smart...Should hand the money over to those that are not corrupt...You might just get positive results. Quote
punked Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 Find the person that robbed the bank and swandered the loot - then take billions in tax dollars and give that to the robber so he can continue to live the life he is accustomed too... That's my definition of stimulus...packaging...something tells me they are stimulating the left sinister side of the equation and not the right one...so what will happen---by shoring corporations and private individuals who "made mistakes?" --- More of the same...Then they will need a stimulus bail out to bail out the stimulus bail out - real smart...Should hand the money over to those that are not corrupt...You might just get positive results. Didn't th Republicans Alternate stimulus give 2.5 Trillion in tax cuts to the same people? Oh wait it is only bad becuase it is Democrats. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Posted February 16, 2009 Didn't th Republicans Alternate stimulus give 2.5 Trillion in tax cuts to the same people? Oh wait it is only bad becuase it is Democrats. No! Both Dems and Reps are now cut from the same cloth. The system has become so intertwined and interdependant that all perspective of right and wrong are lost and perhaps perminently. What I have always known about large collective systems of elitist survivalism is that the system has become so complex that it is humanly impossible to manage. They are all in trouble and there is no turning back. Sad to say - if someone attempts to set the house in order they will face possible assasination - hooliganism is not to strong a word. I feel sorry for the average American who are wonderful and kind once you get to know and understand them - to kind perhaps and to trusting ----- the saftey mechanism installed on the coin states "In God (goodness) we trust" - This little reminding herald was put there to make sure that money and materialism did not over power the system - seems they all forgot. Quote
ironstone Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 I have my doubts about the stimulus package.It's about massive spending.....and little else!The way that this package has been passed is outrageous to say the least.Almost 1100 pages that were not read by ANYONE!Is this the more open government that Obama promised Americans during the campaign?Quite an about face,from "hope and change" to the message of fear which we now get from the White House. I hope Obama will eventually shine as President(even though I think he pulled off the biggest con-job in history by winning ) but time will tell. I'm no expert,but how about getting a handle on what caused the problems in the first place before the reckless spending orgy? Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
sharkman Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 I don't think they can get a handle on it, the bad mortgages just have to work their way through the system. The financial infrastructure that encouraged and enforced issuing such bad mortgages to begin with will never be blamed for the crime. There are people at the top who made this happen, and they seem blissfully unaware of the consequences of giving mortgages to people who can't afford them. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 Like the bail out bill that gave billions to the banks (some of which are still on the brink of demise and a few banks since the bail out bill have failed), this stimulus package is not needed. Between the two bills there is about 2 trillion dollars just pissed away. The bills were also to help the auto industry, from them going tits up, and they are still threatening chapter 11 and possible mergers. Did the money help? Why do CEO's get performance bonuses when the company reported a devastating loss and had to lay off many just so that CEO can keep the performance bonus? And when you talk about banks and mortgage lenders, many are loosing their homes (and partly their fault for taking on these large loans to the point they are a burden on your everyday life), and yet the bank will lay off people and forclose on the house to keep the bank and the CEO on top. Good way to run business, no wonder this crisis emerged. Some of those bonuses would allow thousands, perhaps millions of people, get out of financial trouble. Why do the banks get the bail out and not the people themselves?? Do you buy the excuse of putting more capitol into banks as to have them start lending again?? No one sees an issue with this?? Now with this new stimulus package, almost another trillion dollars, much wasteful spending in it as well. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) I don't think they can get a handle on it, the bad mortgages just have to work their way through the system. The financial infrastructure that encouraged and enforced issuing such bad mortgages to begin with will never be blamed for the crime. There are people at the top who made this happen, and they seem blissfully unaware of the consequences of giving mortgages to people who can't afford them. There is no crime in a legal sense...."greed" is not an element of any offense. But you are right in that the bad investment instruments and ratings scam have to work through over the next few years. CNBC's "House of Cards" said it best...."We just need a Darwinian Flush". No more lower income people in $600,000 homes. It was fun while it lasted. Edited February 17, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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