Mr.Canada Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) The $21.2 million raked in by the Tories easily outpaced the $5.9 million raised by the Liberals, $5.45 million by the NDP, $1.6 million by the Green party, and $713,000 by the Bloc Quebecois. SOURCE and SOURCEThe Tories set a new record in fund raising passing $17 million they raised in 2006. I was quite surprised by the NDP who have half as many seats as the Liberals yet almost matched them in money raised. As much as I hate his politics he's has charisma and is a good speaker. No doubt this helps his parties fund raising efforts. The GP also passed the $1 million mark for the first time in its Canadian existence. The BQ failed to reach even $1 million and the have nearly double the HoC seats of the NDP and 50 some odd more than the GP who have none. It's easy to see why they went crazy when the Tories wanted to cut the party welfare cheques off, including their own Tory party. The NDP would be ok imo but the Liberals and the BQ would be all but dead. However I don't see why we should prop up parties that suck at raising their own money, why should the taxpayer be on the hook? Edited February 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Moonbox Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 I agree but it's not something that's going to change until someone has a majority. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Molly Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 It's a shame there's no more detailed breakdown on that. I'm wondering, for instance... if the Conservatives took in their $1.95/vote, that's about 10 million, and they were talking about $10 million refund of election expenses.... that means they had about a million and a half, give or take of actual donations? Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
jdobbin Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 However I don't see why we should prop up parties that suck at raising their own money, why should the taxpayer be on the hook? Good idea. Harper should call an election on the issue now. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 Good idea. Harper should call an election on the issue now. So far everyone wants to talk about something else and are too scared to admit that their parties suck at raising funds compared to the Tories. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
fellowtraveller Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So far everyone wants to talk about something else and are too scared to admit that their parties suck at raising funds compared to the Tories. No, what parties-namely the Bloc, NDP and LIberals- are afraid of discussing is the real reason they formed their wee coalition- fear of losing their treasured and essential place at ther public teat. If they did, they would require their supporters - ordinary Canadians- to put their own money into the party. For the LIberals, it would be the end..... Quote The government should do something.
jdobbin Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So far everyone wants to talk about something else and are too scared to admit that their parties suck at raising funds compared to the Tories. I have no problem admitting the Liberals sucked. I criticized Dion from the beginning for not reforming fundraising. I also have no problem stating that the Harper introduced the change in funding in the economic statement so he could call an election before May. Quote
jdobbin Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 No, what parties-namely the Bloc, NDP and LIberals- are afraid of discussing is the real reason they formed their wee coalition- fear of losing their treasured and essential place at ther public teat. What the Tories are afraid of discussing is they wanted to have an election before May under the new rules so they could face Dion again. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) I have no problem admitting the Liberals sucked. I criticized Dion from the beginning for not reforming fundraising.I also have no problem stating that the Harper introduced the change in funding in the economic statement so he could call an election before May. I'm not happy with Harper either and want him to announce his departure before the summer break so we can elect a new leader at the convention in 2009. We need a return to more Reform type policy it seems the Red Tories have taken over the party. Edited February 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
OddSox Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Hmm, looks like Ignatieff is doing a bang-up job of encouraging supporters to donate! http://1anxiousliberal.wordpress.com/2009/...-to-liberals-0/ Quote
sharkman Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Dobbin, that's an interesting theory, but not realistic. Harper's support in Quebec collapsed and another election so soon would have angered the voter. Harper calling an election would have directed that anger at him. Edited February 4, 2009 by sharkman Quote
Mr.Canada Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 Hmm, looks like Ignatieff is doing a bang-up job of encouraging supporters to donate!http://1anxiousliberal.wordpress.com/2009/...-to-liberals-0/ Yep, he doesn't lead by example does he? Makes me wonder if he knows what he's doing at all. he's been leader for 2 months and is already showing cracks...uh oh. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
waldo Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So far everyone wants to talk about something else and are too scared to admit that their parties suck at raising funds compared to the Tories. apparently, some event transpired such that the Liberals raised more money in December than the CONS... what happened? Anyone? Anyone? Quote
normanchateau Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 why should the taxpayer be on the hook? Did you know that if you give $400 to the Conservatives, you get back a tax credit of $300? That's $300 that would otherwise go into government revenues rather than into your pocket. Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for your $300 kickback? Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Good idea. Harper should call an election on the issue now. Run that by him. He's hanging by a thread now. The last thing he wants is an election. We've already flogged this thing to death anyway. I think we should make it $ 10.00 a vote and eliminate the massive tax credits for political donations. That way funding has to be earned and no favours for individuals, resulting in less corruption. All Canadians who choose to vote get to support their party, in exchange for the politicians doing what all Canadains want; not just a chosen few. It would be cheaper for us and above board. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So far everyone wants to talk about something else and are too scared to admit that their parties suck at raising funds compared to the Tories. Wait till those boxes get opened. You might be in for a surprise. I won't. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 apparently, some event transpired such that the Liberals raised more money in December than the CONS... what happened? Anyone? Anyone? I read something somewhere. When Dion was leader donations almost stopped. The rate of donations increased with Ignatieff by percentage, and he was only leader for a very short time. He now has a new fundraiser, who used to run the Heart and Stroke Foundation's campaigns. Apparently he is very good. They certainly have a new approach. Much less needy. It inspired me to donate for the first time in my life. It will be interesting to see what happens next quarter. In the meantime the Conservatives have been forced to spend a lot in anti-coalition ads, and support the budget ads. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
capricorn Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 I wonder if the new fundraiser will advise Ignatieff that he really should make a small contribution to the party in 2009, you know, for appearances sake. I mean, any amount would beat his contribution for 2008 which amounted to $0.00. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Did you know that if you give $400 to the Conservatives, you get back a tax credit of $300? That's $300 that would otherwise go into government revenues rather than into your pocket. Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for your $300 kickback? That's exactly right. Drop the kickback. (Like Harper ever would) Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Mr.Canada Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 That's exactly right. Drop the kickback. (Like Harper ever would) I'd wager that the perpetual victims who are now crying about tax deductible donations never donate to their parties. The government doesn't give back $300 on a $400 donation either. It's merely a tax credit. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
normanchateau Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 The government doesn't give back $300 on a $400 donation either. It's merely a tax credit. The only people who would not get the full $300 kickback are those who pay less than $300 a year in income tax. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 The only people who would not get the full $300 kickback are those who pay less than $300 a year in income tax. People generally pay much more taxes then $300 a year. The people that don't aren't donating to political parties anyways, like you. So don't worry about things that don't concern you. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Alta4ever Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 I'm not happy with Harper either and want him to announce his departure before the summer break so we can elect a new leader at the convention in 2009. We need a return to more Reform type policy it seems the Red Tories have taken over the party. There will be no 2009 convention, conventions are suppose to be held every 2 years Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Mr.Canada Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Posted February 5, 2009 There will be no 2009 convention, conventions are suppose to be held every 2 years Ah damn, that's right. So Harper won't announce he'll step down til summer break 2010. I want a strong small c conservative. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) I want a strong small c conservative. As a Liberal, I couldn't agree with you more. Edited February 5, 2009 by Smallc Quote
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