Tory Fund raising sets new record High!

[madmax]

And I want your wing of the party to have duct tape around your mouths.

LOL, why does every guy choose the RedGreen (The SHOW) solution to every problem. Edited February 5, 2009 by madmax

[Mr.Canada]

LOL, why does every guy choose the RedGreen (The SHOW) solution to every problem.

Because every homosexual looks to Jack Layton to solve theirs.

[DrGreenthumb]

. A government is supposed to represent the people, not dictate to them. Tougher sentances are popular with people, opening abortion and SSM is not.

Tougher sentences for VIOLENT crime may be popular, but majority of Canadians do not support heavier sentences for cannabis related offences. The conservative party is out of touch.

[capricorn]

Check the link left by someone in the thread. Michael Ignatieff and his wife have donated the maximum for several years. Just more Cons propaganda, like the whole Punjab thing.

Where is the public record that the Ignatieffs donated to the party? How come even Liberal blogs can't seem to provide that information?

[capricorn]

Just more Cons propaganda, like the whole Punjab thing.

A prominent Liberal blogger called BigCityLib ran the same story as Stephen Taylor.

WTF? Jack Would Make Punjabi Canada's 3rd Official Language

Toronto, Sep 29 (IANS) Canadian opposition leader Jack Layton has promised support for a new visa office in Mumbai and official status for the Punjabi language in Canada if he becomes prime minister after the Oct 14 polls.Jack, whose New Democratic Party (NDP) has fielded a record 14 Indian Canadian candidates to woo the million-strong community, said his party will also roll back a newly passed immigration bill that the community finds discriminatory.

Nothing against speakers of Punjabi, but frankly I am hoping something got lost in translation here.

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2008/10/wtf...anadas-3rd.html

So a Conservative runs a story, it's a lie but a Liberal runs the same story it's a misunderstanding. Double standard, just like the way Ignatieff treats his MPs.

BTW, using the term Cons is against forum rules.

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I expect the mods will soon add "Iggy" to the list of no-nos since I was notified not to use that diminutive.

[punked]

Where is the public record that the Ignatieffs donated to the party? How come even Liberal blogs can't seem to provide that information?

"Michael Ignatieff has donated through the Laurier Club in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009"

I can tell you don;t know what the Laurier Club is but you HAVE to donate the max to be a member of it. SO if he is a member then he has donated the max. There is your public record.

https://www.liberal.ca/laurier_e.aspx

But if you stick to your lie you are bound to fool someone right and isn't that the point?

Edited February 5, 2009 by punked

[blueblood]

This is what passes as democratic dialogue in the Conservative party!?

It's democratic when the majority of people think the wingnuts better keep their traps shut.

[blueblood]

LOL, why does every guy choose the RedGreen (The SHOW) solution to every problem.

Versatility and cost effectiveness.

[jdobbin]

I expect the mods will soon add "Iggy" to the list of no-nos since I was notified not to use that diminutive.

It was already in place and notification was given in the announcements thread.

[capricorn]

I did notice that entry in the forum news and announcements section. But the Rules and Guidelines section, which appears at the top of the forum's page, does not yet contain the term "Iggy" as a third party insult. I received a PM from CA asking me to stop referring to Ignatieff as Iggy, so I did.

[capricorn]

"Michael Ignatieff has donated through the Laurier Club in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009"

But if you stick to your lie you are bound to fool someone right and isn't that the point?

What lie? I accept that the Ignatieffs contributed to the Laurier Club. Where can one find a public record of who contributes to the Laurier Club? Isn't the info public? Just a question.

You must admit, the fact that the Elections Canada site does not record a donation from Ignatieff to the Liberal Party while all the other Liberal bigwigs show donations, it doesn't look good. That's all I'm saying.

[jdobbin]

I did notice that entry in the forum news and announcements section. But the Rules and Guidelines section, which appears at the top of the forum's page, does not yet contain the term "Iggy" as a third party insult.

Threads just degenerate when any type of nickname is used.

Bush confidantes have said someone like Bush gave everyone nicknames to assert dominance and bully. I tend to agree.

I know recently one poster has tended to write "Ignotieff" in their posts. I used "Horper" in a reply to draw attention to either the deliberate misspelling or the ignorance in how to spell Ignatieff. I will just report it next time rather than further degrade the thread.

I try to use proper names whenever I post including screen names. Aside from the rules, it just seems a more courteous way to have a discussion.

In terms of looking at the donations, my suspicion immediately was that something was missing when Ignatieff's donations were looked at. It is too easy to be fodder when all donations are public domain. My first thoughts were about money that might have been donated in small amounts under $200 which is not recorded by Elections Canada.

As we have found out, that is exactly how the money was contributed.

I am not in a position to know but some of the Tories that Kinsella names has non-contributors may have donated to the party through a spouse or through a fund such as the Leader Club. Then again, they may have contributed zero.

Edited February 5, 2009 by jdobbin

[jdobbin]

You must admit, the fact that the Elections Canada site does not record a donation from Ignatieff to the Liberal Party while all the other Liberal bigwigs show donations, it doesn't look good. That's all I'm saying.

If donations are done monthly, they are not reported in Elections Canada listings as far as I remember.

[Alta4ever]

If donations are done monthly, they are not reported in Elections Canada listings as far as I remember.

All donations must be reported to elections Canada, all Donations over $10.00 must have a donation receipt issued by the treasurer of the political organization.

[jdobbin]

All donations must be reported to elections Canada, all Donations over $10.00 must have a donation receipt issued by the treasurer of the political organization.

They are reported to Elections Canada but donations that are under $200 a time are not reported publicly. Even Tory bloggers are now acknowledging it. In other words, you can contribute to the maximum donation but if it is done each month, it will not make the list.

[OddSox]

I first read about it at a Liberal blog (http://1anxiousliberal.wordpress.com/) and he still doesn't seem to be convinced...

[Alta4ever]

They are reported to Elections Canada but donations that are under $200 a time are not reported publicly. Even Tory bloggers are now acknowledging it. In other words, you can contribute to the maximum donation but if it is done each month, it will not make the list.

I checked out elections.ca searched the database for both party and eda level didn't see anything there of less then 200 dollars, so while it must be reported, it is not publically available.

[punked]

They are reported to Elections Canada but donations that are under $200 a time are not reported publicly. Even Tory bloggers are now acknowledging it. In other words, you can contribute to the maximum donation but if it is done each month, it will not make the list.

Which is what you do when you are in the Laurier Club you give 180 dollars a month to reach your yearly max. Again if he is int he Club he gives the Max too bad conservatives can figure this out.

[Alta4ever]

Which is what you do when you are in the Laurier Club you give 180 dollars a month to reach your yearly max. Again if he is int he Club he gives the Max too bad conservatives can figure this out.

Conservatives don't hide behind other fundraising organizations. You have Federal or local.

[Smallc]

Conservatives don't hide behind other fund raising organizations.

The Laurier club is simply something that you become a member of when you donate the maximum to the party.

[jdobbin]

Conservatives don't hide behind other fundraising organizations. You have Federal or local.

Both the Tories and Liberals have donor clubs.

Let's look at the Tory ones.

https://secure.conservative.ca/EN/1125/

Conservative Fund Canada has a variety of donor groups who help build support and provide the necessary resources for the Conservative Party to win in the next election.

Here are the Liberal ones:

https://www.liberal.ca/donate_e.aspx

So please spare us this idea that it is hidden. Or do you think the Leader's Circle for the Tories is hidden?

[jdobbin]

I checked out elections.ca searched the database for both party and eda level didn't see anything there of less then 200 dollars, so while it must be reported, it is not publically available.

http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?sectio...;textonly=false

Contributions totalling more than $200 made to registered parties, registered electoral district associations, leadership contestants and candidates will be reported to Elections Canada by the recipient and become matters of public record. Financial reports include the name and address of each contributor who contributes a total of more than $200, the total amount received, the amount of each contribution and the date it was received.

Even Tory bloggers are now saying that you can contribute under $200 a month and not be in a public list.

Edited February 5, 2009 by jdobbin

[waldo]

I wonder if the new fundraiser will advise Ignatieff that he really should make a small contribution to the party in 2009, you know, for appearances sake. I mean, any amount would beat his contribution for 2008 which amounted to $0.00.

in the face of your failed attempt to disparage Ignatieff, certainly, an apology would be helpful... for the appearances sake you speak of.

[capricorn]

waldo, what do you mean apologize? A Liberal blogger reported that Ignatieff didn't contribute to the party and provided data from the Elections Canada site to support his claim. Initially, no mention was made of the Laurier Club. I'm not the only one who accepted that information at face value. In fact, even some Liberals did.

[jdobbin]

A Liberal blogger reported that Ignatieff didn't contribute to the party and provided data from the Elections Canada site to support his claim.

There is no need to apologize.

Elections Canada only tells half the story in many cases. Lump sum payments are recorded and publicized. Monthly donations are not if it comes under the limit.

Edited February 5, 2009 by jdobbin