Why can't Iran have nuclear power?

GostHacked · February 5, 2009

Beats me....I don't waste my time on such moral equivalencies. Canada and the USA interned more than 150,000 citizens and resident aliens during WW2....no "Nazis" involved.
Also, the "Nazis" would be very proud of the Apollo moon landings!

You are missing the point here. You don't waste time on any morals period. Some morals are good, and prevent this kind of asshatery from happening in the first place.

M. Dancer .. siezed sure . but was he charged/convicted??

But I still have no problem with Iran developing nuclear power/energy. I just can't really see anything out there that tells me that Iran having nuclear technology is a bad thing.

M.Dancer · February 5, 2009

M. Dancer .. siezed sure . but was he charged/convicted??

Without having to re-read the article I believe his penalty was having his assets seized. He did not trade with Germany after Germany and the US were in a state of war...and the company he worked with were the decided enemies of Hitler.

bush_cheney2004 · February 5, 2009

You are missing the point here. You don't waste time on any morals period. Some morals are good, and prevent this kind of asshatery from happening in the first place.

Nope...such morals didn't prevent a damn thing....that is the "point" you are missing. Hiding behind a thin veneer of moral superiority won't hide the reality of actions before, during, or after WW2.

M.Dancer · February 5, 2009

But I still have no problem with Iran developing nuclear power/energy. I just can't really see anything out there that tells me that Iran having nuclear technology is a bad thing.

Because:

they are sponsors of terror (Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Israel)
they are the avowed mortal enemies of our friends, kith and kin
they are bug eyed nuts

DogOnPorch · February 5, 2009

You are missing the point here. You don't waste time on any morals period. Some morals are good, and prevent this kind of asshatery from happening in the first place.
M. Dancer .. siezed sure . but was he charged/convicted??

But I still have no problem with Iran developing nuclear power/energy. I just can't really see anything out there that tells me that Iran having nuclear technology is a bad thing.

Iran just launched its first satellite into orbit using its own booster. That means they can drop a package anywhere on the globe. The gas centrifuges Iran has have only one purpose. Seperating U-235 from U-238. They've stated their desire to have Israel removed from the pages of time or whatever claptrap Ahmed-Dinnerjacket spouted. They openly support terrorists. They're religious nut-bars with no separation of church and state.

I see some concern...yes.

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GostHacked · February 5, 2009

Iran just launched its first satellite into orbit using its own booster. That means they can drop a package anywhere on the globe. The gas centrifuges Iran has have only one purpose. Seperating U-235 from U-238. They've stated their desire to have Israel removed from the pages of time or whatever claptrap Ahmed-Dinnerjacket spouted. They openly support terrorists. They're religious nut-bars with no separation of church and state.
I see some concern...yes.

Is this what you gather from the vantage point that is the porch?? Do you ever leave the porch? Israel was wiped from the map once ... why not twice?? And if BC is right, then morally who cares!! Morals are irrelevant anyways. Hit the red button now. Let's get the party started.

DogOnPorch · February 5, 2009

Is this what you gather from the vantage point that is the porch?? Do you ever leave the porch? Israel was wiped from the map once ... why not twice?? And if BC is right, then morally who cares!! Morals are irrelevant anyways. Hit the red button now. Let's get the party started.

You're free to point out where I'm incorrect. Re: personal attacks...why do you stoop to such levels?

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M.Dancer · February 5, 2009

Morals are irrelevant anyways. Hit the red button now. Let's get the party started.

Survival is the highest morality.

GostHacked · February 5, 2009

You're free to point out where I'm incorrect. Re: personal attacks...why do you stoop to such levels?

There is only one country that has ever used a nuclear/atomic weapon. They used it twice. And without hesitation. The fact that it has not happened again is a good sign that it is not about to happen anytime soon.

Again, who do you hear about terror from the most? Where do you hear about terrorism? Who do you rely on for your information?

Are we more worried about one country who wants to develope ONE nuke? As opposed to the thousands of nukes that exist on this planet by countries that are getting more unstable as time goes on?

Iran would be better off to obtain or steal one and set it off rather than to waste all this time trying to make their own. I bet Russia would be mroe than willing to supply Iran with a few nukes to even out the playing field in the Missle East..

Remember when the USSR was the biggest threat on the planet?? And they still HAVE nukes .. and plenty of them. Just because the west is 'civilized' does not mean we won't throw the first nuke.

And when you open that can of worms .... oh wait ,, it's already open.

DogOnPorch · February 5, 2009

There is only one country that has ever used a nuclear/atomic weapon. They used it twice. And without hesitation. The fact that it has not happened again is a good sign that it is not about to happen anytime soon.
Again, who do you hear about terror from the most? Where do you hear about terrorism? Who do you rely on for your information?

Are we more worried about one country who wants to develope ONE nuke? As opposed to the thousands of nukes that exist on this planet by countries that are getting more unstable as time goes on?

Iran would be better off to obtain or steal one and set it off rather than to waste all this time trying to make their own. I bet Russia would be mroe than willing to supply Iran with a few nukes to even out the playing field in the Missle East..

Remember when the USSR was the biggest threat on the planet?? And they still HAVE nukes .. and plenty of them. Just because the west is 'civilized' does not mean we won't throw the first nuke.

See...that isn't so hard. I don't agree with your POV...but it's a free country...right?

And when you open that can of worms .... oh wait ,, it's already open.

I'm assuming you're claiming I attacked you first. What is this a Hamas cease fire?? :lol: Fine. I don't recall this event, but I'll take your word for it and say I'm sorry right now.

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GostHacked · February 5, 2009

See...that isn't so hard. I don't agree with your POV...but it's a free country...right?
I'm assuming you're claiming I attacked you first. What is this a Hamas cease fire?? Fine. I don't recall this event, but I'll take your word for it and say I'm sorry right now.

What other things are you assuming ... with the possibility of being wrong?

DogOnPorch · February 5, 2009

What other things are you assuming ... with the possibility of being wrong?

Then forget what I said.

IranianPride · February 5, 2009

QUOTE (IranianPride @ Feb 5 2009, 11:59 AM) *
And the US was doing business with Nazi Germany after 1933. No one thought the camps were death camps until the end of the war.

Were they pro nazi?

Iran wasn't pro Nazi. It was neutral.

Did they entertain Nazi delagations?

When did they entertain Nazi delegations?

Did they ponder the possibility of allowing Nazi troops on their soil?

When did they ponder the possibility of allowing Nazi troops on their soil?

The historical record doesn't back up your claims.

Edited February 5, 2009 by IranianPride

M.Dancer · February 6, 2009

Iran wasn't pro Nazi. It was neutral.
When did they entertain Nazi delegations?

When did they ponder the possibility of allowing Nazi troops on their soil?

The historical record doesn't back up your claims.

Oh you poor thing....coming to grips with the past can be quite unsettling, but it is needed...

When did they entertain Nazi delegations?

Rigfht to the point when the British turfed their asses...

Iran's axis with the Third Reich began during the prewar years, when it welcomed Nazi Gestapo agents and other operatives to Tehran, allowing them to use the city as a base for Middle East agitation against the British and the region's Jews.

Iran wasn't pro Nazi. It was neutral.

When the mufti raised three divisions of Islamic Waffen SS to undertake cruel operations in Bosnia, among the 30,000 killers were some volunteer contingents from Iran. Iranian Nazis, along with the other Muslim Waffen SS, operated under the direct supervision of Heinrich Himmler and were responsible for barbarous actions against Jews and others in Bosnia. Recruitment for the murderous "Handschar Divisions" was done openly in Iran.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...INGODGH99Q1.DTL

Of course another compelling reason to deny Iran nuclear power is that they haven't come to grips yet with their hideous past.

IranianPride · February 8, 2009

You're still not making any sense. You're just coming across as an angry schoolkid that has an irrational hatred for Iranians. Racism is a serious sickness.

Your evidence for these ridiculous claims is a single article by a right wing Jewish Zionist, Edwin Black, that has absolutely no sourcing.

None of the mainstream encyclopedias confirm Edwin Black's claims.

Here's an article that refutes his propaganda article:

http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/iran-hist...s-irans-history

Iran and Iranians were strongly connected to the Holocaust and the Hitler regime, as was the entire Islamic world under the leadership of the mufti of Jerusalem.
Blatant lie. The Mufti of Jerusalem and his friend the Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Gailani were pro-Nazi antisemites who tried to stage a coup in Iraq in Spring 1941. At that time Hitler was friends with Stalin (1939-41). Iran was dead afraid of the Nazi-Soviets partitioning the Middle East. When the pro-Nazi Iraqis staged their coup in 1941, Reza Shah of Iran proposed to send Iranian troops to arrest Al-Gailani and destroy the pro-Nazi Iraqi rebels. He tried to win with this the favor of Britain, hoping to win their support against the Nazi-Soviet alliance, which he felt was dangerous for Iran. The Arab world and Balkan muslims were indeed largely pro-Nazi, as were many Iranians. However not the leadership which tried to keep neutral and to thwart any foreign invasion of Iran. Read Donald Wilber, Hirschfeld and Stewart's books on this issue.

So far all you've revealed is your racist bias against Iranians, not any logical arguments.

Of course another compelling reason to deny Iran nuclear power is that they haven't come to grips yet with their hideous past.

LOL, you and ridiculous posts. This is another compelling reason to discount the rationale for US policy on repressing Iran when there are such openly racist individuals among the constituency wishing malice towards Iranians and pushing for these policies.

Edited February 8, 2009 by IranianPride

Oleg Bach · February 8, 2009

If lunitics like Richard Cheney had access to the nuclear botton and power - then lunitics that rule Iran should have the same crazed privledge. Why not - what makes Iran an inferiour entity culturally to the dirt base culture that is America? It's amazing how dellusional the west is - they actually belive the are good guys when the effect of horrific and autrocious behaviour is felt all around the world daily. Wait untill Obama starts full tilt to do the bidding of the bastards that will soon demand his soul.. :lol:

M.Dancer · February 8, 2009

http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/iran-hist...s-irans-history

Of course any site that has Iran in the address can't possibly be biased....

Iran nazi past is well known. Of course though denial is a strong part of Iranian history...even current affairs they deny...deny this deny that...deny photo shopping , deny murdering Canadian photographers....

Without denial, they would have to come to grips with the hideous reality.

bush_cheney2004 · February 8, 2009

Why not - what makes Iran an inferiour entity culturally to the dirt base culture that is America? It's amazing how dellusional the west is - they actually belive the are good guys when the effect of horrific and autrocious behaviour is felt all around the world daily.

What makes Iran inferiour? Simple....no access to Canada's uranium oxide! :lol: :lol: :lol:

myata · February 9, 2009

Rephrasing the eternal wisdom proclaimed by one of this country's public servants, "everybody's entitled to their entitlements". I.e. in plain words, one's entitled (morally justified, etc) to whatever they can grab (and hold on to). Works always, 100% solid, as a clock: 1) Grab; 2) Hold on to; 3) Find (make) moral justification.

dub · February 9, 2009

Iran nazi past is well known.

what's wrong with you?

iran nazi past? has your posting life become a big illusion? why do you try to twist everything in order to drive home an agenda? why can't you separate yourself from your nationalistic and tribalistic views and tendencies and try to share facts instead of misinformation?

every single comment i see you type here has the same old twist on it.

iran nazi past? get real.

M.Dancer · February 9, 2009

what's wrong with you?
iran nazi past? has your posting life become a big illusion? why do you try to twist everything in order to drive home an agenda? why can't you separate yourself from your nationalistic and tribalistic views and tendencies and try to share facts instead of misinformation?

every single comment i see you type here has the same old twist on it.

iran nazi past? get real.

IS there a rebuttal in that screed?

dub · February 9, 2009

IS there a rebuttal in that screed?

yes. the rebuttal is in the fact that iran followed all rules when it declared itself "neutral" in the war. it's very simple.

Oleg Bach · February 9, 2009

what's wrong with you?
iran nazi past? has your posting life become a big illusion? why do you try to twist everything in order to drive home an agenda? why can't you separate yourself from your nationalistic and tribalistic views and tendencies and try to share facts instead of misinformation?

every single comment i see you type here has the same old twist on it.

iran nazi past? get real.

Irans' Nazi past - what about Prescot Bush who supplied the Nazis with arms that killed Americans - there were Nazis everywhere and they still operate - They have really not changed - It's still a socialist movement with men and woman on top who are nothing but a money cult.

jbg · February 9, 2009

Irans' Nazi past - what about Prescot Bush who supplied the Nazis with arms that killed Americans - there were Nazis everywhere and they still operate - They have really not changed - It's still a socialist movement with men and woman on top who are nothing but a money cult.

What about it?

If Prescott Bush had a dream or vision how likely was it he was going to try to incinerate another country or the world? At worst, he was a craven capitalist, not a madman.