August1991 Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Watch for this spin soon on a computer screen near you: Ignatieff is the guy who has a new take on Canada. Harper is the same old boring Canada. ---- There are two more fundamental questions at stake: who speaks best for English Canada? Which of these two can receive more votes of French Canada? Quote
jdobbin Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 There are two more fundamental questions at stake: who speaks best for English Canada? Which of these two can receive more votes of French Canada? You know it just came to me today that Harper is the old boring Anglo and Ignatieff is the sophisticated foreigner. Looks like the Nanos poll is saying Ignatieff is gaining ground on the Quebec front. Quote
August1991 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Posted January 10, 2009 You know it just came to me today that Harper is the old boring Anglo and Ignatieff is the sophisticated foreigner.Looks like the Nanos poll is saying Ignatieff is gaining ground on the Quebec front. This is an English forum. Quote
capricorn Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Ignatieff is the guy who has a new take on Canada. Harper is the same old boring Canada. Gee August, I hadn't noticed. Iggy has yet to demonstrate that he is different from Harper. They are clones of each other and the proof can be found in the poll that shows both their parties are tied in popularity. Breaking the tie may come down to who looks better in a sweater vest. There are two more fundamental questions at stake: who speaks best for English Canada? Well I did hear Iggy on Don Newman's show tonight refer to Harper's fall economic update as "bloody awful". Does that count as English enough? Which of these two can receive more votes of French Canada? It appears Iggy has an advantage here. He may be able to woo disenchanted Quebec Conservatives as a result of Harper's fiasco of cutting arts funding in La Belle Province. On the downside, Iggy recruited individuals exclusively from Ontario to form part of his closest entourage. Will Quebecers notice? Perhaps. Maybe he could make an appearance on "Tout le monde en parle" and explain his strategy behind this move. To spread the love in Atlantic Canada and the West he could join in on a Rick Mercer skit. The possibilities are endless. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Vancouver King Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Looks like the Nanos poll is saying Ignatieff is gaining ground on the Quebec front. Don't be modest, Dobbin. Ignatieff is doing cartwheels around Harper in Quebec and done the impossibe: put the Bloc 10 lengths behind. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
gordiecanuk Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Ignatieff comes across as an intellectual, which is something I think Canadians like. Having taught at prestigious schools like Harvard, Cambridge and Oxford, that's something I think Canadians will admire by and large...the redneck crowd will try and paint him as an elitist for sure, but generally speaking I think Canadians like seeing ourselves represented by intellectuals. Trudeau made a lot of mistakes when he was PM, but there was no disputing his intellect. Quote You're welcome to visit my blog: Canadian Soapbox
August1991 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Posted January 10, 2009 Don't be modest, Dobbin. Ignatieff is doing cartwheels around Harper in Quebec and done the impossibe: put the Bloc 10 lengths behind.That's your perspective, VK.Harper is an Anglo, Ignatieff is an allo. VK, do you know of Huntingdon's Clash of Civilisations? We in Canada are a civilised people. Quote
jdobbin Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 This is an English forum. In English Canada: http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianp...JQi36UAZwZ1gQDw According to the survey, Liberals expanded their lead in Atlantic Canada (44 per cent to the Tories' 28) and regained a narrow lead in Ontario (39 per cent to the Tories' 35 and the NDP's 16).The Conservatives continued to dominate western Canada, with 44 per cent to the Liberals' 24 per cent and the NDP's 23 per cent. With employment issues starting to emerge in Alberta, I wonder how long Harper will speak for the west. Quote
blueblood Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 In English Canada:http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianp...JQi36UAZwZ1gQDw With employment issues starting to emerge in Alberta, I wonder how long Harper will speak for the west. I'd wait a couple of months to find out what Iggy's numbers really are. The honeymoon period sort of glosses things over. You'd say the same thing if a new tory leader were in place. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
jdobbin Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 I'd wait a couple of months to find out what Iggy's numbers really are. The honeymoon period sort of glosses things over. You'd say the same thing if a new tory leader were in place. I agree. Hard to say where things will be in a few months. However, it is a warning sign if Harper wants to trigger an election in the next two weeks. Quote
blueblood Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 I agree. Hard to say where things will be in a few months.However, it is a warning sign if Harper wants to trigger an election in the next two weeks. Harper's goose is just about cooked from tory brass anyway. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
normanchateau Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 With employment issues starting to emerge in Alberta, I wonder how long Harper will speak for the west. Harper's making no new friends in the west with his plan to spend $3 billion on search-and-rescue planes made in Italy rather than Calgary and Victoria: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Victoria...9930/story.html Let's hope the Liberals take note of this latest example of Harper stupidity. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Ignatieff comes across as an intellectual, which is something I think Canadians like. Having taught at prestigious schools like Harvard, Cambridge and Oxford, that's something I think Canadians will admire by and large...the redneck crowd will try and paint him as an elitist for sure, but generally speaking I think Canadians like seeing ourselves represented by intellectuals. Trudeau made a lot of mistakes when he was PM, but there was no disputing his intellect. There is a time when hokey is OK, but with this Country in crisis on so many fronts, Canadians look for brilliance. We want our Prime Minister to be smarter than us. Ex cabinet Minister and Tory MP Monte Solberg is now writing for Sun Media. He is once again, as per our local newspaper, trying to discredit the Coalition and paint Harper as the best leader. A little too late. The bottom fell out of his attack of hatred against Bloc and NDP Voters (more than 5 million Canadians) when a signed letter and taped press conferences blew up in his face, and it was determined that he was nothing but a fraud. Maybe Solberg should come back from Mexico and listen to public opinion. STEPHEN HARPER IS NOT A LEADER! http://www.winnipegsun.com/comment/columni...952551-sun.html Quebecers do love Ignatieff and respect that he is extremely fluent in French. Harper's French has improved but Ignatieff's is spot on, meaning he can be intellectual in both official languages. I'm planning my T-shirts now: 'I'm Jiggy for Iggy' 'Our Canadian Dream(boat)' 'Obama's Intellectual Equal' with a picture of Ignatieff and then below 'George Bush's Intellectual Equal' naturally with Harper's mug. What an exciting campaign it will be. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
August1991 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) 'Obama's Intellectual Equal' with a picture of Ignatieff and then below 'George Bush's Intellectual Equal' naturally with Harper's mug.The comparison is not inapt. Both Ignatieff and Obama are glib flakes who have a knack for knowing what the elite is thinking. Neither is a true leader like Churchill or Trudeau willing to take on the elite.OTOH, Harper speaks for English Canada - in the same way John Howard spoke for Australians and Bush Jnr speaks for Americans. If Ignatieff becomes PM (and I think that he will in 2009), it is kind of sad for English Canada. Once again, English Canada will defer to a foreigner. English Canada has not had a leader who speaks in its own cadence for over 40 years. That's not healthy for a society. Edited January 12, 2009 by August1991 Quote
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Oh stop already. There is one Canada. Sure, people in different regions think differently, but there is only one Canada. Quote
August1991 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 Oh stop already. There is one Canada. Sure, people in different regions think differently, but there is only one Canada. And what one language does this One Canada speak? Quote
August1991 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) The one Canada is bilingual.Bilingual? You mean, uh, that there are two Canadas?Cripes. You've turned me into Barack Obama: "There is One Canada but it speaks Two Languages." ---- As if the world and life could be so simple. Edited January 12, 2009 by August1991 Quote
Smallc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Bilingual? You mean, uh, that there are two Canadas? No, that might be what you think it means, but it doesn't mean that. Just because there are different language groups in Canada doesn't mean that we should be divided along such a line....or any line for that matter. Quote
August1991 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 No, that might be what you think it means, but it doesn't mean that. Just because there are different language groups in Canada doesn't mean that we should be divided along such a line....or any line for that matter.Ah, so we're all one.We are the World. We are all McDonalds, we are all white, we all speak English and we are all male. We are One World. ---- Pierre Trudeau, unlike Barack Obama, understood how to make this world different. Quote
blueblood Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Ah, so we're all one.We are the World. We are all McDonalds, we are all white, we all speak English and we are all male. We are One World. ---- Pierre Trudeau, unlike Barack Obama, understood how to make this world different. Trudeau was a fool, he was also the biggest of the big tent "We are the World" people. That little stunt didn't play out to well west of the Ontario Manitoba border. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
August1991 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Trudeau was a fool, he was also the biggest of the big tent "We are the World" people. That little stunt didn't play out to well west of the Ontario Manitoba border.Pierre Trudeau's mother was Scottish (Elliot) and his father French Canadian.Barack Obama's mother was a white girl from Kansas and his father was a black Kenyan. ---- IMHO, Trudeau had a much, much better grasp of the confusion. For starters, Trudeau spoke two languages perfectly. Obama only speaks English. Edited January 12, 2009 by August1991 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Pierre Trudeau's mother was Scottish (Elliot) and his father French Canadian.Barack Obama's mother was a white girl from Kansas and his father was a black Kenyan. This is offensive...though probably not intended as such. Why wasn't Trudeau's mother a "white girl"...or father a "white" French Canadian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham IMHO, Trudeau had a much, much better grasp of the confusion. For starters, Trudeau spoke two languages perfectly. Obama only speaks English. Obama reportedly speaks passable Bahasa (Indonesia) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Progressive Tory Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 The comparison is not inapt. Both Ignatieff and Obama are glib flakes who have a knack for knowing what the elite is thinking. Neither is a true leader like Churchill or Trudeau willing to take on the elite.OTOH, Harper speaks for English Canada - in the same way John Howard spoke for Australians and Bush Jnr speaks for Americans. If Ignatieff becomes PM (and I think that he will in 2009), it is kind of sad for English Canada. Once again, English Canada will defer to a foreigner. English Canada has not had a leader who speaks in its own cadence for over 40 years. That's not healthy for a society. Defer to a foreignor? What the hell? He's hardly a 'foreignor' and his time out of the country was not spent in a Turkish prison. He has been out there making a difference. Have you read his resume? "He has held academic positions at Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard and the University of Toronto. An award-winning author, he has also worked as a journalist and documentary film-maker.... he was director of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights Policy...." He is bringing back a wealth of experience and an abundant knowledge of the world outside of Canada. He was lured back because we need him. McCain played the 'elite' card too, but Americans didn't buy. They are in trouble so opted for intellect and a leader they could be proud of. We're in trouble, so guess what....? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Mr.Canada Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Watch for this spin soon on a computer screen near you:Ignatieff is the guy who has a new take on Canada. Harper is the same old boring Canada. ---- There are two more fundamental questions at stake: who speaks best for English Canada? Which of these two can receive more votes of French Canada? Can Iggnatief speak French? If he can't he cannot be PM. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
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