Oleg Bach Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Oleg, your computer and cell phone contain integrated circuts that were probably designed and manufactured in Tel Aviv. ----------------------------------------- Dr. Evil: Son, wouldn't you like to see what daddy does for a living? Scott Evil: Blow me. Dr. Evil: What? Scott Evil: Show me. I use computers...but would never buy one - as for cell phones...I had my fill of them years ago - I tossed my high end model out the care window while doing 200 K......They are nothing but a leash around your neck. I was hoping that you could show me more than some planned obsolesence...through the manufacture of disposable intergrated circuts....Every one protects secularist Israel - and guys like Bush who are supposedly Christian - are so stupified by fundamentalism regarding the Jews - that they actually believe they are doing God's work by encouraging and protecting and funding Israel - The average young Jew is either a religious fanatic or an atheist...go figure....AND - as yourself this - Do the badly behaved Jews give a damn for you or the rest of the world? - If they did they would care about us - and Palistine....what have they done for you - lately - They don't care if you are alive or dead - so why do we have to care about them? Quote
eyeball Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Are you saying that the use of human shields should immunize the users from retaliation? Are you saying that shielding a rational for its disproportionate response behind this should immunize Israel from condemnation? Has this ever worked in the past? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Are you saying that shielding a rational for its disproportionate response behind this should immunize Israel from condemnation?Has this ever worked in the past? War isn't fair. Try to understand, war is about victory and defeat...nothing else. HAMAS fires a rocket then Israel fires a rocket...it isn't going to happen. If you want fair fights, watch boxing. ----------------------------------------- Conlige suspectos semper habitos. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wulf42 Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 The plain truth of it is the Western world is in no real hurry to help Muslim extremist's why do you think the U.S.A. and most Western Governments are keeping quiet over Israel's incursion? Nobody really cares what Israel does to a terrorist group the Israeli's are a people not to be messed with!... the Arabs for some idoitic reason don't seem to understand this and continue to get their asses kick for their terrorist acts! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 The plain truth of it is the Western world is in no real hurry to help Muslim extremist's why do you think the U.S.A. and most Western Governments are keeping quiet over Israel's incursion? Nobody really cares what Israel does to a terrorist group the Israeli's are a people not to be messed with!... the Arabs for some idoitic reason don't seem to understand this and continue to get their asses kick for their terrorist acts! Even the Arab League has come out with criticsm for the dysfunctional Palestinian leadership....they are tired of the inevitable "ass kicking" too. Hamas' actions are more about Iran....who are not Arabs at all. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Arabs or not, the Jews are not going to put up with this crap forever. Attack another nation at your own peril, while I may feel sad for the "innocent" civilians in Gaza, that doesn't stop me from hoping that the Jews will finally put an end to this madness. Quote
LesterDC Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Maybe we should throw all the politicians into a pit and let them tear each other to pieces for a change. I'll bring the party hats. I'll paint little bullseyes on them.I get excited just thinking about it. Or we could see what happens if we let military men take over politics and governmental offices Quote
eyeball Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Or we could see what happens if we let military men take over politics and governmental offices You mean we haven't seen enough of that to know its a mug's game yet? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
BC_chick Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 I am not Jewish but like most i am fed up with this never ending garbage . I wish they would just kill everything that moves in Gaza and get this over with . Sort of a 'Final Solution' if you will? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
jbg Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Sort of a 'Final Solution' if you will? No. That isn't remotely analogous. The Jews of Germany weren't firing rockets at random German targets. The Gazans have provoked an response they engender. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BC_chick Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) No. That isn't remotely analogous. The Jews of Germany weren't firing rockets at random German targets. The Gazans have provoked an response they engender. The poster to whom I responded was calling for the killing 1.5 million Gazans.... you do realise that? I wish they would just kill everything that moves in Gaza and get this over with . Get it over with? Sounds like a 'final solution' to me... maybe not in the historical context, but in the literal sense anyway. Edited January 4, 2009 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Yorkness Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Of course platonically there would be no extremist Palestinian groups if there were no certain extremist or "anti-social" Jewish behavior. I doubt the historic achievement of the greater good between the two populations is relevant in this matter. I think that what matters is that a premise set by the population of Gaza is allowing themselves to be persecuted or at least an excuse to do so is readily present to their agressor. The same goes to the Israeli side. I guess I would agree that innocence can be almost fully presumed of the Gazan and for that matter the Israeli youth. They are not allowed to vote. So legally anyways they cannot possibly be involved at least in the election of HAMAS or airstrikes. I think it remains so though that both sides will eventually outgrow their youth and innocence and possibly have to take part in this war be it by IDF conscript or extremist resistance. It is reallly quite a sad, violent cycle that is being bred. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Of course platonically there would be no extremist Palestinian groups if there were no certain extremist or "anti-social" Jewish behavior. I doubt the historic achievement of the greater good between the two populations is relevant in this matter. I think that what matters is that a premise set by the population of Gaza is allowing themselves to be persecuted or at least an excuse to do so is readily present to their agressor. The same goes to the Israeli side.I guess I would agree that innocence can be almost fully presumed of the Gazan and for that matter the Israeli youth. They are not allowed to vote. So legally anyways they cannot possibly be involved at least in the election of HAMAS or airstrikes. I think it remains so though that both sides will eventually outgrow their youth and innocence and possibly have to take part in this war be it by IDF conscript or extremist resistance. It is reallly quite a sad, violent cycle that is being bred. Presumptions of innocence are very dangerous. The people of Gaza are dropping like flies and will continue to do so for some time yet. Even that will not stop this war, because when Gaza is done for there are all those folks in the West Bank to deal with. The reality is that the only solution for the Jews is to respond with all its might whenever they are forced to do so. They don't start these things but they try very hard to finish them. Gaza must die, it is either that or there will be more rocket attacks from Gaza. Let us reverse the situation, let Canada start tossing rockets at the USA. How would they respond? How would you expect them to respond? Who would be at fault? Quote
Yorkness Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Presumptions of innocence are very dangerous. The people of Gaza are dropping like flies and will continue to do so for some time yet. Even that will not stop this war, because when Gaza is done for there are all those folks in the West Bank to deal with. The reality is that the only solution for the Jews is to respond with all its might whenever they are forced to do so. They don't start these things but they try very hard to finish them.Gaza must die, it is either that or there will be more rocket attacks from Gaza. Let us reverse the situation, let Canada start tossing rockets at the USA. How would they respond? How would you expect them to respond? Who would be at fault? What would you propose then? Perhaps a one state solution? Would assimilation or "Gaza dying" into what is now Israel be a worthwhile effort? Quote
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 No. That isn't remotely analogous. The Jews of Germany weren't firing rockets at random German targets. The Gazans have provoked an response they engender. Well, according to fascism think, Communism is a great evil, and there were certainly a number of Jews involved in the Communist movement in Germany, not to mention the rest of Europe. So, relatively speaking, many Jews were engaged in activities that were deemed highly subversive. Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Did the post-Holocaust Jews, when still in Europe, turn to more "militant" methods such as attacking Christians at random? Are you suggesting that the Nazis were Christians?!?!?!?! I can't be bothered being banned for elucidating just how nonsensical that assertion is, but I will say that ones again your narrow-minded biases have been revealed once again. I wish one day you would come to realize the hypocracy with which you view the world, how clouded you perception of reality is by your delusion of being special ("chosen") and righteous simply by virtue of being born a Jew. I think the best analogy between Gaza and European Jews is actually the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, not what happened after the war (in Europe, at least). Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
DogOnPorch Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 I think the best analogy between Gaza and European Jews is actually the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, not what happened after the war (in Europe, at least). How did the Palestinians Arabs end up in Gaza? How did the Jews end up in Warsaw and numerous other ghettos? ----------------------------------- It's a Dasy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
JB Globe Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Israel has just commenced its ground operation in the Gaza Strip and are already in gun battles with Hamas militants. If you want to read about the history of this conflict and how the recent violence came to be, check out: Israel & the Gaza Strip It's obvious you're here to promote this website, you should know that what you're doing violates board guidelines. If you don't stop doing this you'll be reported. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 What would you propose then? Perhaps a one state solution? Would assimilation or "Gaza dying" into what is now Israel be a worthwhile effort? Turn Gaza into rubble and then push the rubble into the sea, that is what I propose. There is simply no civilized way to deal with those people. They need to be treated the way they treat people. I am not interested in their learning curves when it comes to a point like this. They will reap what they have sewn. They choose to live by the sword and now they shall die by the sword. Quote
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 How did the Palestinians Arabs end up in Gaza? How did the Jews end up in Warsaw and numerous other ghettos? I think "best analogy" does not mean exact same situation, but there is a certain amount of similarity to warrant the comparison. Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
Topaz Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Will someone clarify something for me? I heard that there was a down time for four months between these two nations and then in Novemeber Israel started to attack again because they said Hamas were building tunnels to Israel..true or false? Today, a Israelic minister said they attacked them because Hamas was firing missiles at them...true or false? Seems like BOTH parties are wrong. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Will someone clarify something for me? I heard that there was a down time for four months between these two nations and then in Novemeber Israel started to attack again because they said Hamas were building tunnels to Israel..true or false? Today, a Israelic minister said they attacked them because Hamas was firing missiles at them...true or false? Seems like BOTH parties are wrong. True or false. The Hamas tunnels were for a high speed subway... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Turn Gaza into rubble and then push the rubble into the sea, that is what I propose. There is simply no civilized way to deal with those people. They need to be treated the way they treat people. I am not interested in their learning curves when it comes to a point like this. They will reap what they have sewn. They choose to live by the sword and now they shall die by the sword. Jerry, you said you were a Zionist and as such I expect you take a very long view towards history. How far into the future does your vision extend however? Can you not see a time when the world is in a post technological stage and Israel no longer has a technological advantage? Its clear that Islamic cultures also take a very long view to history and I would suggest if you treat Gaza the way you are proposing today that Israel will very likely face the same treatment in the future. What was that about living by the sword or bulldozer again? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 True or false. The Hamas tunnels were for a high speed subway...You may intend to be facetious but you are about the only person asking the right question; why aren't the apologists for Hamas asking if they have anything productive or constructive in mind? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) You may intend to be facetious but you are about the only person asking the right question; why aren't the apologists for Hamas asking if they have anything productive or constructive in mind? Because its clear Hamas doesn't. Why ask such a stupid question? Dispossessing anyone of their right to peace of mind and well being by launching missles at them is no better than dispossessing someone of their land and heritage. Anyone who does any of these things is guilty of willful stupidity. If any of these atrocities results in someone's death they're also murderers. Please note I am deliberately going out of my way to not be facetious. Note as well that understanding a situation objectively does not equal apologizing for it. Edited January 5, 2009 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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