bush_cheney2004 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Maybe, but the global community will know what is best for the global community. I am sure that Canada will not be the only country with that kind of attitude How convenient...Canada can hide behind NATO or the UN while it kills "the enemy" (and was never attacked), but Israel has to tow the line (pardon the pun). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
LesterDC Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 How convenient...Canada can hide behind NATO or the UN while it kills "the enemy" Too bad they signed the pact.. I don't think the U.S. would be very happy if Canada just ignored the attack on U.S. soil. Quote
OddSox Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Too bad they signed the pact.. I don't think the U.S. would be very happy if Canada just ignored the attack on U.S. soil. A lot of people seem to forget that when you make a deal with your friends, the right thing to do is follow through on it. Otherwise, you may find yourself without any friends. Quote
LesterDC Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 A lot of people seem to forget that when you make a deal with your friends, the right thing to do is follow through on it. Otherwise, you may find yourself without any friends. Yes, see Stalin and Hitler haha Quote
OddSox Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Yes, see Stalin and Hitler hahaNot really very funny. Quote
LesterDC Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Not really very funny. I wasn't being sarcastic.. I'm serious. Canada was a founding member of NATO we shouldn't back out (obviously) Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 I wasn't being sarcastic.. I'm serious. Canada was a founding member of NATO we shouldn't back out (obviously) Israel has no NATO protection...it is on its own. It is very easy for sanctimonious Canadians (or Americans) to preach peace and proportionality to Israel, while both wage war around the world. Here's the punchline: Canada does it for human rights! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Maybe, but the global community will know what is best for the global community. I am sure that Canada will not be the only country with that kind of attitude So you would like the global community to tell you and all the other Ontarians what is best for the world and ignore what Ontarians and the Ontario government don't know whats best for Ontario. The regional people know and understand what is best for them, as for the World community they are just posturing, they understand and know cvery little, their are a lot of false asumptions by the general public and the world citizens, because they are not experts on these regions or their conflicts. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Moonbox Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Well said. Having Canadians a whole world away condemning Israel for doing whatever it can to protect itself is absolutely contemptible. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 The Canadian government should have a single policy in cases like this. Humanitarian aid, period. Take no political stand whatsoever. This is nothing more or less than a civil war, we should take no side as a government. Of course in my opinion Hamas are a bunch of terrorists, and I have no use or concern for them, but that is a personal opinion. Quote
madmax Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 It is very easy for sanctimonious Canadians (or Americans) to preach peace and proportionality to Israel, while both wage war around the world.Here's the punchline: Canada does it for human rights! I'm impressed..... nice shot across the bow. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 There will be no peace in the middle east. Unless of course there are no more Palestinians. Or Iraqi's, Saudis, Afghans? The list is endless. However, there will be no peace in the Middle East until the West is no longer dependant on oil; Christians no longer believe that they are the 'Chosen' and the Crusades should be revisited, or the West change their foreign policies. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Aid Appeal - MP calls for Gaza ceasefire 6:43pm 1/5/2009 It may be half a world away - but the conflict in Gaza hasn't gone unnoticed by one Local MP. Westlock-St. Paul MP Brian Storseth is echoing the federal government's call for Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire. But where the government says Hamas must first end their attacks on Israeli civillians, Storseth has gone one step beyond the Government's official line saying Israel must also end their Eighteen month long Blockade of Gaza. There was an article in the Montreal Gazette citing our new junior minister for foreign affairs, saying amoung other things: “...the Canadians in Gaza would only be moved to safety if the rocket attacks "stop permanently." Asked whether that could trap them for days or months, Kent replied: "It is a war. It is a very fluid combat situation and these folks are caught in the middle of it.” http://www.montrealgazette.com/Fate+Canadi...8637/story.html Unfortunately, his allusion to “stop permanently” falls only on the Palestinian Government. “The burden of responsibility lies now with Hamas and an end to the terrorist rocketing. Israel has said — and Canada would support — an immediate ceasefire. But only if it's a permanent ceasefire, if it's a sustainable ceasefire and if it's a durable ceasefire and if Hamas doesn't — as it has in the past — use it to rearm and continue rocketing," The situation along the Gaza strip is a little more complex, and before we can take sides, the complete history needs to be considered. For our government to simply support Israeli aggression, when International Communities have urged them to stop their violence against and control over the region. We have to also bear in mind that Israel is also in conflict of International Law. http://www.mecaforpeace.org/article.php?id=267 The most recent conflict was brought about in protest of the Israel, US and European Union’s boycott against the new Hamas government, which won the January 25, 2006 elections, and Gaza has been in crisis since. We are supposedly fighting wars to bring Democracy to the Middle East but when Hamas wins a Democratic election, we say...oh, wait a minute...we didn’t mean your Democratic rights. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hamas_wins_Palestinian_election There are many who believe that Jesus was a terrorist by our modern definitions. “He had come to save his people during a time of armed conflict. He was executed. He was a martyr....It is an angle on the life of Jesus that deserves a great deal more historical and objective study. Are a third of the worlds population following a 2,000 year old story based on an early version of Osama Bin Laden? " http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3...y_terrorist.htm l We need to know all the facts before drawing any conclusions and our government needs to rethink it’s version of Democracy. Hamass got a majority. Harper should be jealous. Edited January 7, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
eyeball Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Canada does it for human rights! This is what our government says alright. Its easy to imlpy every Canadian says so too when you ignore the fact Canadians are given little if any say in what their government says. Ditto for Americans. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Progressive Tory Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 This is what our government says alright. Its easy to imlpy every Canadian says so too when you ignore the fact Canadians are given little if any say in what their government says.Ditto for Americans. Sadly that's true. Maybe we need to speak out more and not just accept press releases as gospel. There was an excellent interview with a former Diplomat, Michael Bell, familiar with the region: ""The imbalance of casualties in the tragic confrontation between Hamas and Israel is stark," Michael Bell, former Canadian ambassador to Israel, wrote Saturday in his Globe essay Pathless in Gaza "Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed or injured, from toddlers to the aged. Television footage suggests almost all are innocents. "Israeli spokespeople dispute that impression and speak in frigid terms of "collateral damage," meaning everything from the destruction of mosques to the loss of civilian lives. "Viewers react with outrage, as is only human. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ialComment/home Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 This is what our government says alright. Its easy to imlpy every Canadian says so too when you ignore the fact Canadians are given little if any say in what their government says.Ditto for Americans. Except that there was no such implication.....just the bleeding hearts who protest mightily while bitching about high gas prices. They don't even play fake victims very well. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Except that there was no such implication... Of course there was, still is - you're either with us or against us - it was a Canadian who wrote that for Bush by the way. I can't say for certain but I bet Frum feels exactly the same way about Israel. You too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
GostHacked Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Israel has no NATO protection...it is on its own. It is very easy for sanctimonious Canadians (or Americans) to preach peace and proportionality to Israel, while both wage war around the world.Here's the punchline: Canada does it for human rights! And the US does it for freedom. lol indeed. Quote
blueblood Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 And the US does it for freedom. lol indeed. Yes, American freedom. nothing wrong with protecting yourself. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 Of course there was, still is - you're either with us or against us - it was a Canadian who wrote that for Bush by the way. I can't say for certain but I bet Frum feels exactly the same way about Israel. You too. That's not what he wrote....."...with us or with the terrorists" is my recollection...and it was Michael Gerson...not Frum. Frum coined the term the "Axis of Evil". Do you just make this shit up? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 Its easy to get shit mixed up when there's so much of it. As for Frum and Gerson...similar buckets and different shit but still shit nonetheless. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 Its easy to get shit mixed up when there's so much of it.As for Frum and Gerson...similar buckets and different shit but still shit nonetheless. In other words, you were clueless but couldn't help the urge to poop anyway. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BigAl Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 What do you mean by "If Canada supports Israel"?Supports it more than we support Palestinians? Supports it more than we support Hamas? Supports it no matter what Israel does, ever? It's quite clear that Canada supports Israel to a very substantial extent; certainly our policies are completely preferential toward Israel compared with Hamas. That's consistent with not supporting everything Israel does, and with holding that Israel is not above criticism. Would you like Canadian troops to be in there, too, killing civilians (however innocent and pure their double-effect intentions), targeting Palestinian police officers, and bizarrely hoping to impose a moderate government by violence? For the win. Violence begets violence, every single time. Quote
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