It's time Canada be put in its place - Go to the Queen

[whowhere]

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page249.asp

The Queen needs to be flushed out once and for all.

The pandora's box was open in 1982 by the Liberals, The Queen, and the Supreme Court of Canada by imposing an undemocratic Constitution on the people of Canada. The Liberals, the Conservatives, and the Government Bureacrats have used this document to destroy and unravel the Cultural Fabric of Canada. I say to you political and bureacratic trash enjoy your heaven because if there is any truth to what is written in the old and new testament your lives are vanity and you are headed to the "furnace" as Jesus puts it where you will be destroyed out of existence - "Your soul and your body" .

Not to worry some question the existense of the soul or what the soul is. If you question the soul you simply pass go to the furnace to be filtered out of life so to speak.So once again, enjoy your heaven That is the epic story of the old and new testament. My personal take on "GOD" If he actually exists?? Is that he works behind the scenes and he acts accordingly. He has no need to say anything further because all that is to be said is already written or implied in the old and new testament. There is what is written and contained in the books and their is the lies of the media and internet. You decide your source people.

Not religious??? Then why the FAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK did you people impose a charter and 1982 Constitution on Canada via a Christian Queen?? No say or democratic vote from the people. You Canadian People make me sick and I hope "God" meets out to you all what you deserve.

Now, I myself don't appreciate my mind being buckled and kicked to where I have to analyze the religion and history to come to terms with why I am surrounded by Human trash. I understand its par for the course.

Where are we at?? Oh the conservatives want to undemocratically hold onto power at all costs or force another election to hide from the elected members of parliament. Well, the Queen has power to overule the the Governor General I would suggest we get her on the phone and have her force the parliament back in session for a vote to determine the will of parliament.

Sorry people but this is not about religion but about a political structure that is in place and either you respect God or man. Harper and the Conservative respect neither therefore they deserve to be judged by their peers in the house of parliament.

[kimmy]

I gather some coalition supporters are not pleased with the Governor General's decision.

-k

[guyser]

I gather some coalition supporters are not pleased with the Governor General's decision.

-k

Some people are never happy yet we have to endure the lot of 'em. Even ones like this poster who claims not to be Canadian.

The whining that is going on is horrible , and that includes every side.

[g_bambino]

I gather some coalition supporters are not pleased with the Governor General's decision.

-k

Mmm.. whooee's grudge seems to have been around since at least the 80s, and appears to be over completely imaginary things. Do they allow computers in mental institutions these days?

[charter.rights]

Some people are never happy yet we have to endure the lot of 'em. Even ones like this poster who claims not to be Canadian.

The whining that is going on is horrible , and that includes every side.

And it will continues for a long time......

There is no need to challenge the authority of the GG. While I agree that proroguing parliament was a mistake, it won;t change the fact that Harper hasn't got the confidence of the house and is unlikely to get it in 6 weeks. I would be curious though whether or not he got down on his knees to beg for this, or if he had some more lies to tell her about what was going on. Damn to be a fly on the wall of that place would have been priceless.

[scribblet]

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page249.asp

Where are we at?? Oh the conservatives want to undemocratically hold onto power at all costs or force another election to hide from the elected members of parliament. Well, the Queen has power to overule the the Governor General I would suggest we get her on the phone and have her force the parliament back in session for a vote to determine the will of parliament.

Wrong, it is the coalition which wants power at any cost, to h.ll with the voters, they are the ones attempting to turn Canada into a Banana republic. If they want power that badly they should take their coalition to the public, let us vote on it. Maybe a referendum rather than an election?

[Chuck U. Farlie]

All I can say is 'WHEW'!

Ok, that and the Liberals should find a new leader ASAP... preferably yesterday.

[myata]

GG had the right to make this call in the interests of the country. As the last straw for the current PM to hang on to. I think, overall, it's the right decision, on her part. Not sure how much it'll buy for Mr Harper, in my eyes he's completely discredited himself with his partisan atticks and invented crises. But, if he wishes so, so be it: was right for the GG to have his last wish granted. I'm not so sure he can count on her being as forthcoming with his requests if he tries to bypass the will of the elected House again.

[albyagolfer]

If they want power that badly they should take their coalition to the public, let us vote on it. Maybe a referendum rather than an election?

Absolutely, the citizens of Canada did not vote for a coalition of two legitimate parties and one regional disgrace who only wishes to promote the secession of Quebec and has no interest in the good of Canada as a whole. There are many supporters of both the NDP and the Liberal party who are dismayed that their favoured parties would get into a binding agreement with the Bloc. Let's put this coalition thing to a vote and see what the Canadian people think about it. After all, this is a democracy and something this important should be decided by the people.

[g_bambino]

Let's put this coalition thing to a vote and see what the Canadian people think about it. After all, this is a democracy and something this important should be decided by the people.

I still don't understand how anyone could know a coalition would be necessary before an election; the reason for their formation seems to come out of election results, not election predictions.

[Alta4ever]

I still don't understand how anyone could know a coalition would be necessary before an election; the reason for their formation seems to come out of election results, not election predictions.

Don't kid yourself this was in the works long before the house resumed sitting.

[whowhere]

Some people are never happy yet we have to endure the lot of 'em. Even ones like this poster who claims not to be Canadian.

The whining that is going on is horrible , and that includes every side.

I am a Canadian, that is fact

[albyagolfer]

the reason for their formation seems to come out of election results, not election predictions.

The question of whether they started planning the coalition before the election because the party(s) didn't believe they had the ability to beat the Conservatives or after the election results came in is moot. The fact remains that it is not morally responsible to the voters for the NDP and Liberals to join forces with a party whose entire party platform is diametrically opposed to everything the NDP and Liberals supposedly stand for. Whether a person supports the Conservatives or one of the other parties it is awfully hard to see how the coalition could effectively govern Canada with such radically differing political philosophies. However this pans out, it won't be good for Canada.

[g_bambino]

Don't kid yourself this was in the works long before the house resumed sitting.

The possibility was probably entertained, but it seems logical that only the election results could have ultimately decided whether it would go forward or not.

[Smallc]

Don't kid yourself this was in the works long before the house resumed sitting.

We can't really make those kind of assumptions with any certainty. I believe that there were many Liberals that were not in favour of this. If there was anything going on before, I don't think that many of them were part of it.

[Wilber]

Every constitutional scholar I had heard interviewed during the week, called this correctly. Fact is, she made the appropriate decision. The Queen would have got the same advice and made the same decision.

[whowhere]

Forget the Queen, Forget the Governor General General. Who is this prime Minister exactly? Could someone point out in the British North America act and the 1982 Constitution outlining a Prime Minister. The position doesn't exist, it's a fabrication of the elected parliament.

In a democracy you vote in people who happen to be in a political party. Each mp represents its voters. The conservative party does not represent the majority of the seats or majority of the votes. => 50.1 percent! Therefore they have zero right to stop a parliamentary vote.

The Governor General overstepped her supposed role by getting in the way of the will of parliament.

The conservatives can run but by their insulting of Quebec and depriving Ontario and BC of economic stimulus money will certainly translate in a loss or very weak minority if an election is held today.

Either way, a colition now or later, you conservatives are done.

[madmax]

Wrong, it is the coalition which wants power at any cost, to h.ll with the voters, they are the ones attempting to turn Canada into a Banana republic.

I fully disagree with the whiny opening post. Whats done is done....and that is what people wanted to see, some kind of resolution even if it is delaying parliment.

The disturbing part of the GG ruling is that we have set the stage for a "Banana Republic". I do wish to see the formal request and reasoning from the Prime Ministers, and the Response from the GG, but what immediately comes to mind, is that anytime a government faces a potential defeat in parliment, the government will just shut down parliment, and continue with business as usual.

That is what happens in banana republics.

The fact that a government could face a defeat and be replaced by MPs in the house through an accord or coalition is part of our parlimentary rules.

To suggest otherwise is pure CPC torokaka designed to fool the general public when it doesn't suit their immediate needs.

Beware the banana republic. Lets hope that the GG hasn't helped us take our first step towards one.

[Topaz]

I`m really not for another election but if its the only way to get this government back to work than lets go! The voters are going have to give the Cons or the Libs a majority government so we can get some progress done. The past Liberal voters are going to have get off their rears and vote like when Chretien was running. If the voters don`t come out and Harper gets another minority government then we are right back were we are now. Is Harper going to run to GG and try to stop another confidence vote???? Probably. The only good thing is now Harper know he can`t push around the opposition and Harper said he couldn`t work with them them maybe HE better step down and let someone else take over!!

[Smallc]

Beware the banana republic. Lets hope that the GG hasn't helped us take our first step towards one.

I don't think so. This is a very unusual case, one that I don't expect to be repeated any time soon. I don't think this will be used or allowed in other confidence situations.

Edited December 4, 2008 by Smallc

[bush_cheney2004]

Every constitutional scholar I had heard interviewed during the week, called this correctly. Fact is, she made the appropriate decision. The Queen would have got the same advice and made the same decision.

Right...the GG action is perfectly legal, the same "legal" championed by proponents of a coalition. That her decision is wise comes as a bonus. You go girl!

[Wilber]

The disturbing part of the GG ruling is that we have set the stage for a "Banana Republic". I do wish to see the formal request and reasoning from the Prime Ministers, and the Response from the GG, but what immediately comes to mind, is that anytime a government faces a potential defeat in parliment, the government will just shut down Parliament, and continue with business as usual.

I don't believe a government can impose a budget without going to Parliament. All bills not already passed go in the dumpster as during an election. The government basically turns into an administrator until Parliament resumes. It is very much a temporary measure.

Suspending Parliament is also a two edged sword. There better be a damn good reason for it or there will be hell to pay eventually.

[whowhere]

To little to late. Canada journeyed into Banana Republic land when the 1982 constitution was imposed on Canada and simultaneously used to ruin Canada. Since 1982, Mulroney's conservative drove Canada into a hole of debt. The Liberals came in and brought Canada out of that hole but by the time they were done Canada became a conduit of Cheap Labour for the US (lower dollar and free trade) and commodities for the rest of the world. The rising dollar strained Ontario and Quebec because multinationals could no longer enjoy easy profits from paying canadians less than americans for the same work. A Rising dollar aided Alberta and other commodity provinces but crushed Ontario and Quebec. The conservative are not keen on fixing Canada so it works for everyone. All they are keen on is consolidating the power and money of Canada for their supporters and their own selfish gain.

[albyagolfer]

what immediately comes to mind, is that anytime a government faces a potential defeat in parliment, the government will just shut down parliment, and continue with business as usual.

Beware the banana republic. Lets hope that the GG hasn't helped us take our first step towards one.

The comment indicated above is patently ridiculous. The GG would not allow parliament to be prorogued for frivolous reasons. The fact that prorogue was granted is because the GG sees the danger in allowing a coalition that does not necessarily represent the wishes of the voters to run the country. It is obvious that this coalition has the potential to be held to a stalemate, at the mercy of the Bloc. The Bloc could simply refuse to vote with the NDPs and Liberals thus negating the coalition's majority.

Canadians already said that they didn't want to be governed by these parties. If the parties want to run together as a coalition party, fine. They can call for a non-confidence vote and, if they win, they can run in the general election as a coalition party.

[madmax]

I don't believe a government can impose a budget without going to Parliament. All bills not already passed go in the dumpster as during an election. The government basically turns into an administrator until Parliament resumes. It is very much a temporary measure.

Suspending Parliament is also a two edged sword. There better be a damn good reason for it or there will be hell to pay eventually.

I think I have received two reasonable answers. I Thank smallC concurrently.

I do believe, unlike the forum title, that regardless of whether the coalition was chosen, or the ProRoguing, that people would accept the GG decision. The ProRoguing could not have been taken lightly. On top of that, regardless of the controversy behind it and the educational debates going on between lawyers etc, I do believe that the public will accept the break and infact want it vs have their parlimentary system explained to them. It should be done in school so that nonsense such as a "coup" is never used again in a propoganda war, undermining our system of government.

January 29th one of three things can happen. A bill will pass, the government may fall, and if it does, either another government will be formed with the elected sitting MPs or the GG will dissolve parliment and go for an election.

It was the public that lost in this foolish game of brinksmanship. That can be found in every single poll I saw. The majority were angry and angry at everyone involved. One thing good about this is that it got people talking about politics, which you couldn't get them interested in in September or October.

Sometimes this is what it takes to get people to understand how our government works, and I believe it works better then most other systems. Especially when we have two tone deaf leaders, there is a way out of a self inflicted crises vs a self inflicted wound.

At least for now. The Queen need not worry about the colony