Coalition Government

[Alta4ever]

When considering the giants of Canadian politics, T.C. Douglas surely stands at the forefront. Tommy Douglas was a remarkable Canadian whose contributions have helped to shape our great nation. Although he is most famous as the founding father of Medicare, the most advanced health-care system in the world, Douglas’ contributions to Saskatchewan and Canada were tremendous. Douglas established democratic socialism as a mainstream in Canadian politics and his CCF government became the first socialist government in North America. A visionary who achieved his dreams, Douglas changed the face of Canadian politics. More importantly, Tommy Douglas was a politician who put the good of the people he represented first and foremost.

Did you know that Tommy Douglas was a traitor he was helping the communist chinese while our troops were dying at their hands in Korea.

[blueblood]

Oh, now I get it, its just Liberals you don't like.

Regina votes Liberal...

[johhny]

Did you know that Tommy Douglas was a traitor he was helping the communist chinese while our troops were dying at their hands in Korea.

you have anything to back that up?

[Alta4ever]

I wonder why you keep refering to this trough of yours?

and what subversion of democracy? It seems that this is the ultimate in democratic moves.

You must have received the note from Mr Giorno.

Democratic Governments are not created in backrooms they are voted for in democractic elections by the people of the country. If the Liberals and the NDP thought that Canada had lost confidence in the government they should be willing to ask for a vote from the people. IF they were right they would win the election and form government.

[jdobbin]

Whether Harper miscalculated or not, he did do one thing he showed that when you pull pig back out of the puiblic trough, they bit blindly. No that its been removed we are hearing noise on small issues as liberals are smelling the entitlements of power and are will ing ot try to subvert democracy to get it.

What utter crap. Play the brinkmanship game and face the consequences.

[jdobbin]

Glee what glee, we know that it means yet again the west is going to have to send more money to Ont and QB for their problems.

Your personal glee is what I speak of.

I know of no one out here who whats to see a hardship befall other provinces becasue we know that we in the west that will have to pay for it.

Really? Seems like you were happy at what is going on those provinces.

[johhny]

Democratic Governments are not created in backrooms they are voted for in democractic elections by the people of the country. If the Liberals and the NDP thought that Canada had lost confidence in the government they should be willing to ask for a vote from the people. IF they were right they would win the election and form government.

see where your wrong . You have your point in what is democracy is, then their is real Democracy built upon the constitution something you should take the time to read before you spread your false propoganda. I don't know where you get your information but if you want anyone to believe a word you say maybe you should back it up with some facts and usefull information.

So let go back to how Tommy was a traitor?

[jdobbin]

I think Harper decided to push the envelope and see if the opposition would bend.

Harper pulled back on one issue of importance to the Bloc.

The only one? I think you forget that they would like to see Harper gone.

Outside here in the broader world, the Liberals (and many media commentators) look like what they are: people far too obsessed with politics as a game of intrigue and power plays. Most people (non political junkees) see this as some crazy political shenanigan.

Please cite these "most people." You have insights to what Canadians are thinking? I have not seen a poll to date on the issue, have you?

Do Canadians even care if Harper is removed? Are they prepared for his hyperactive ideological agenda during tough times?

The whole premise of a coalition government relies on the defeat of the Tories on a confidence motion. And that's not going to happen.

So, all this discussion is mere verbiage. Fun if you enjoy such things but supremely boring for ordinary people.

Guess it will be as much as shock to you as the results of the election that saw Obama elected.

The NDP and Bloc have long talked about a coalition. The Bloc won't be part of this coalition but it doesn't mean they won't take this time to throw Harper off the cliff.

Edited November 30, 2008 by jdobbin

[jdobbin]

How is that a racist statement? That was an occurance brought up during the election campaign. It's a fair analogy, its not my fault you don't like it.

Saying Obama is not black is just right in the gutter. Time to come back to the surface.

Saskatchewan is where the NDP was founded and has a strong history of voting for them, still more western than Winnipeg.

Only Alberta is western. Oops. Only rural Alberta and Calgary is western. Check.

The utter and complete garbage I'm hearing defies decription.

Next, why don't you tell us what constitutes real men and women.

Edited November 30, 2008 by jdobbin

[blueblood]

Saying Obama is not black is just right in the gutter. Time to come back to the surface.

Only Alberta is western. Oops. Only rural Alberta and Calgary is western. Check.

The utter and complete garbage I'm hearing defies decription.

Next, why don't you tell us what constitutes real men and women.

You have your own gutter attacks of tories in this thread, your no angel yourself.

That's why i put that in quotation marks, for that very purpose. That has come up on the campaign trail.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1584736,00.html

If Time magazine is talking about this potential issue, its fair game. My analogy stands. The only thing Winnipeg and Vancouver have in common with the rest of Western Canada is location.

[Alta4ever]

you have anything to back that up?

I had the wrong year and wrong war.

Great Canadian Coaches - Great Canadians, Coach 1815He went to China in 1938 to bring medical care to Mao Tse-tung's armies. ... Tommy Douglas 1904 - 1986 The fiery little pastor-turned-politician led North ...

[Alta4ever]

see where your wrong . You have your point in what is democracy is, then their is real Democracy built upon the constitution something you should take the time to read before you spread your false propoganda. I don't know where you get your information but if you want anyone to believe a word you say maybe you should back it up with some facts and usefull information.

So let go back to how Tommy was a traitor?

We are founded on democratic prinicpals one of those is that the people elect the government. Copalition governments have been most often used in times of golbal war like the great war and wwII. If this was the tories doing this you would find yourslef wanting an election not backroom created government with no mandate.

[johhny]

We are founded on democratic prinicpals one of those is that the people elect the government. Copalition governments have been most often used in times of golbal war like the great war and wwII. If this was the tories doing this you would find yourslef wanting an election not backroom created government with no mandate.

First off nothing is being done in back rooms everything has been made public and as they sort things through everyone will be updated. Second yes we could go to a election sooner if Harper did not make the mistake of calling his last early election wasting $300,000,000 of taxpayers moneys why should we waste another $300,000,000 6 weeks later?

Like I said I don't suport any party but what I do see is a leader Harper who is not compitant in making our governmetn and parliment work. so what other options are we left with? I been doing some research and coalition governments are very sucessfull in other parts of the world, and if, it can work I think it is worth giving a shot. It can't be much worse than what we have now.

Edited November 30, 2008 by johhny

[Oleg Bach]

Everyone is working so hard on creating a crisis - lets not disappoint them. It would be kind of cool to spit in the face of democracy that is actually a kind of demonocracy.. People deserve what they get..with a coalition there is no government - seeing we have never had one to begin with..may as well be honest with ourselves...and let the wanna be dictator step forward. But with Canada I doubt if we could even come up with a dictator worth their salt. Sad when we are a people incapable of getting ourselves our very own dictator.

[bush_cheney2004]

You have your own gutter attacks of tories in this thread, your no angel yourself.

That's why i put that in quotation marks, for that very purpose. That has come up on the campaign trail.

Don't even sweat it.....Senator Obama is not "black". You are right.

If Time magazine is talking about this potential issue, its fair game. My analogy stands. The only thing Winnipeg and Vancouver have in common with the rest of Western Canada is location.

Right again...even their eBay listings are different.

[Oleg Bach]

You are not amuzing me - now pick it up or get off the stage.

[bush_cheney2004]

You are not amuzing me - now pick it up or get off the stage.

I get paid to play the entire set.

[Oleg Bach]

Speaking of sets - took in a couple of brilliant bands last night - the kid open up for the older more experienced guys - and my boy was MAGICAL...success is the fact that your son is better than you are or ever could have been ------------then I attended a rip roaring party and got loaded to the point that the daughter had to send over guards to get the young babes off of dear old sexy dad......and what did you do last night? Drink tea in the bathroom rehearsing in the mirror.??? Can you still do a complete set without repeating yourself?

[BC_chick]

Uhm, okay. Perhaps there's one little item you neglected to think about. Many have spoken about how Harper "hates" the Liberals and wants to destroy them. I don't know if that's true. But I do know this; the NDP definitely would like to see the Liberals destroyed. They know very well that until they can supplant either the Liberals or the Tories as one of the big two - just as Labour did to the Liberals in the UK - they have no hope of ever grabbing power.

So let's examine the possibilities here. If you're Jack Layton you know that an election now or soon would decimate the Liberals, especially if they got the blame for it. So he helps Dion overturn the Conservative government and put Dion in as PM, and then, a month or so later, engineers the downfall of the new government on some pretext or other calculated to make the Liberals look as bad as possible.

The Liberals, already near bankruptcy, go into an election with no money and a lame duck leader everyone hates, divided and bitter, with no policies to speak of, and a furious electorate largely blaming the Liberals for another fast election. Can you say Jack Layton, Official Opposition leader? I know you can.

Wow, I love the way your mind works, that was quite the scheme Argus.

Somehow though, I think Layton knows though that NDP will never have enough support amongst Canadians, with or without the LPC. So while your scenario may be probable right up until the election, the ending would be quite different whereby the CPC would sweep in a huge majority.... and Layton's not that much of a gambler. Especially when the odds are stacked against him.

Remember, most Canadians think of the NDP as a socialist party who may do well as a balancing act, but one that nonetheless should never be given too much power.

[madmax]

I get paid to play the entire set.

exit stage leftright.

[johhny]

They all fail. But Harper fails in particular for potentially provoking a constitutional crisis - as if there aren't enough real issues to be addressed.

[Oleg Bach]

They all fail. But Harper fails in particular for potentially provoking a constitutional crisis - as if there aren't enough real issues to be addressed.

Having hope in Harper was better than no hope at all....now we have no hope at all in Harper...what's left?

[johhny]

henry winkler from Canada writes: Harper claims that a coalition government would be defying the "will of the people"since the recent election gave him the authority to form the government. I suppose he is right considering that he received the support of an amazing 37% of the electerate. In a unrepresentative Democracy like Canada ,where two thirds of the population voted aginst the sitting government, I suppose he has a point. Perhaps we can bring this down even further in future elections. Maybe we could have a party forming a government with only 20% of the vote. I am sure the rest of the world would be impressed!

[Oleg Bach]

henry winkler from Canada writes: Harper claims that a coalition government would be defying the "will of the people"since the recent election gave him the authority to form the government. I suppose he is right considering that he received the support of an amazing 37% of the electerate. In a unrepresentative Democracy like Canada ,where two thirds of the population voted aginst the sitting government, I suppose he has a point. Perhaps we can bring this down even further in future elections. Maybe we could have a party forming a government with only 20% of the vote. I am sure the rest of the world would be impressed!

Geroge Bernard Shaw an avowed socialist said "The majority is always wrong". If the bulk of the population voted and voted the same in Canada - it would be a matter of time where hampsters would have human rights and I could marry the dog.

[capricorn]

Looks like the NDP and the Bloc were cooking up a deal even before the economic statement was released.

The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois held talks to form a coalition party well before the opposition's uproar over the government's fiscal update, CTV News has learned.

NDP Leader Jack Layton was in talks with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe for a "considerable period of time," reported CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife on Sunday.

Layton held a telephone-conference meeting with his caucus Saturday morning that was recorded by a Conservative member. According to the audio tape, Layton appears to take credit for the possibility of a coalition.

"Let's just say we have strategies. This whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn't been made with the Bloc a long time ago and locked them in early," Layton says. "Because, you couldn't put three people together in one or three hours. The first part was done a long time ago."

He then goes on to say that the NDP "spotted and prepared for the opportunity and had taken the steps that were required, so that when the opportunity arose, which was when Mr. Harper made his disastrous strategic error by not providing stimulus to the economy and instead playing political games, we were able to move and things began to move very quickly."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

If this report is true, what despicable behaviour by Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe.

This whole coalition business is playing into the hands of the separatists. Are we in good hands or what.

Edit to add. Harper warned something like this would happen. I'll see if I can find the link.

Edited November 30, 2008 by capricorn