Final Obama - McCain Debate

[jdobbin]

Love this "McCain Moment' captured on film.

I think this is the gotcha moments that I referring to in another post. The split screen reactions of each person is like a permanent gotcha moment. If you remain frozen faced or Buddha-like, you can be accused of being aloof, bored and disengaged like Obama was and if your eyes dart around, you stick out your tongue, turn purple in the face, have spittle on your chin, grit your teeth and look like you are about to explode, you are accused of being erratic and a danger to the free world like McCain.

Edited October 18, 2008 by jdobbin

[jdobbin]

The US appears likely to send its Bob Rae to the White House. And as with Bob Rae in 1990 in Ontario, there will be a long line of people with bowls extended who expect payback - and as Rae faced in Ontario in teh early 1990s, Obama will soon face a recession (if the economic pundits are to be believed).

The U.S. is already in recession according to many analysts.

The socialism has started in a big way with Bush buying the banks.

How will Obama pay out to his constituents in the face of falling tax revenues? At present, US federal debt is a manageable 50% of GDP. This could easily rise to 70% or 80% and Obama's economic advisors will likely tell him not to worry.

And you think McCain's policies are better? How?

Bush is pushing the deficit to unprecedented levels.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27247139/

The Treasury Department so far has borrowed nearly $500 billion from pension plans, foreign governments and other investors to replenish the coffers of the Federal Reserve. Since the end of August, the national debt has jumped from $9.6 trillion to $10.3 trillion, with borrowing for the bank bailout yet to come.

Meanwhile, the budget deficit — the annual difference between government spending and tax collections — has risen rapidly. It jumped from $162 billion last year to $455 billion in the fiscal year that ended in September, largely because of the cost of the stimulus package, as well as slowing tax revenues and rising expenses in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The budget picture looking forward is even bleaker. While the deficit is projected to be about $550 billion for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1, budget analysts have yet to figure in the effects of a recession, which could easily tack on another $100 billion. They also have not included the first $250 billion being spent on the bailout plan, which the White House budget office said this week must be added, even though much if not all of the money is eventually expected to be returned to the Treasury.

McCain had the gall to blame Obama for this. Really.

The situation is the worst seen in the U.S. budget since 1946.

And you say that Obama is the United States Bob Rae? Have you nothing to say about George Bush and one of the longest serving Republican senators? Think they deserve a pat on the back for a job well done on the economic front?

Edited October 18, 2008 by jdobbin

[maldon_road]

I think this is the gotcha moments that I referring to in another post. The split screen reactions of each person is like a permanent gotcha moment. If you remain frozen faced or Buddha-like, you can be accused of being aloof, bored and disengaged like Obama was and if your eyes dart around, you stick out your tongue, turn purple in the face, have spittle on your chin, grit your teeth and look like you are about to explode, you are accused of being erratic and a danger to the free world like McCain.

It doesn't help either that McCain is starting to look and sound like a tired old man, right in the middle of the worst economic crisis in decades.

[bush_cheney2004]

It doesn't help either that McCain is starting to look and sound like a tired old man, right in the middle of the worst economic crisis in decades.

Yes...just like Ronald Reagan after President Carter's wonderful "economic crisis" How did that work out?

[jdobbin]

It doesn't help either that McCain is starting to look and sound like a tired old man, right in the middle of the worst economic crisis in decades.

Some people still compare McCain to Reagan but McCain is no Reagan.

[bush_cheney2004]

Some people still compare McCain to Reagan but McCain is no Reagan.

And at the time, some people said Reagan was no Reagan as well.

[Pliny]

I liked Mark Steyn's commentary on the debate.

Obama will not win the election. That is my opinion and prediction. I may be wrong and have to eat crow on that but if I understand America and Americans at all they will not bend to the lib-left, politically correct, share-the- wealth mentality of the socialist.

I don't like McCain's overzealous approach to bipartisan ship. He is right about bipartisanship being a stumbling block to progress but he should recognize the direction of the Democrats with Obama in the lead is heading into enemy territory.

[maldon_road]

Obama will not win the election. That is my opinion and prediction. I may be wrong and have to eat crow on that but if I understand America and Americans at all they will not bend to the lib-left, politically correct, share-the- wealth mentality of the socialist.

I don't like McCain's overzealous approach to bipartisan ship. He is right about bipartisanship being a stumbling block to progress but he should recognize the direction of the Democrats with Obama in the lead is heading into enemy territory.

I'm not sure who will win but I think a lot of people will have second thoughts about Obama (limited experience, too liberal) and by the time November 4th rolls around it will be too close to call.

[jdobbin]

Obama will not win the election. That is my opinion and prediction. I may be wrong and have to eat crow on that but if I understand America and Americans at all they will not bend to the lib-left, politically correct, share-the- wealth mentality of the socialist.

It must make you crazy when you see Bush embrace socialism.

[Shady]

It must make you crazy when you see Bush embrace socialism.

As crazy as it makes you when Raul Castro embraces capitalism.

Forbes

[Shady]

Duplicate post.

Edited October 18, 2008 by Shady

[jdobbin]

As crazy as it makes you when Raul Castro embraces capitalism.

Amusing. Why would make me crazy? It makes me relieved that the Cuban people will have the opportunities for work for themselves.

I believe in capitalism. I just wonder why Republican supporters who have repudiated intervention in the market as reckless and unnecessary are thinking it is great now? The Bush administration has plunged head long into it.

Edited October 19, 2008 by jdobbin

[jbg]

I'm not sure who will win but I think a lot of people will have second thoughts about Obama (limited experience, too liberal) and by the time November 4th rolls around it will be too close to call.

Osama's Obama's lead has already dropped to 7 points.

[maldon_road]

Osama's Obama's lead has already dropped to 7 points.

If you go to RealClearPolitics you can see a downward trend in Obama's lead. Currently it's an Obama lead of 4.9pp.

Of course the war won't be won at the national level. It will be what happens state-by-state.

Edited October 19, 2008 by maldon_road

[BubberMiley]

Osama's Obama's lead has already dropped to 7 points.

It appears the "Obama bin Laden" argument is the only thing whacked out Republicans have left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPg0VCg4AEQ...pointsmemo.com/

[GostHacked]

It appears the "Obama bin Laden" argument is the only thing whacked out Republicans have left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPg0VCg4AEQ...pointsmemo.com/

Like do we really want a Hussein in power?? He could be a muslim. People who are desperate to make someone else look bad will use the Osama and the Hussein, to make Obama look and feel like an untrustworthy muslim, when we know that crap had all been debunked during his battle with Clinton. They also do this because they have no record of their own to stand on. But the Repubs love to beat dead horses it seems.

Also, this is probably the first election for POTUS that both candidates were not born in mainland USA. Obama was born in Hawaii, and McCain was born on the military base in Panama ... which I find odd.

[jdobbin]

It appears the "Obama bin Laden" argument is the only thing whacked out Republicans have left.

Isn't remarkable how childish the Republican taunts are on the name? And now trying to connect Obama to terrorism?

Is it any wonder that in McCain's stumping that he has to correct people on Obama being an Arab?

It would appear that some people are hoping to incite something and some posters here have been using this type of gutter politics for some time. I suspect that most of these instigators are hoping people just believe that Obama is a threat that will see him defeated electorally. For others, it is easily much worse.

Edited October 19, 2008 by jdobbin

[bush_cheney2004]

Isn't remarkable how childish the Republican taunts are on the name? And now trying to connect Obama to terrorism?

No more "childish" than "McBush" or "McSame" or "McInsane" from the Democrats.

Is it any wonder that in McCain's stumping that he has to correct people on Obama being an Arab?

Nope...we also had to correct Canadians on Gov Palin's "porn star" status as provided by the CBC.

It would appear that some people are hoping to incite something and some posters here have been using this type of gutter politics for some time. I suspect that most of these instigators are hoping people just believe that Obama is a threat that will see him defeated electorally. For others, it is easy much worse.

Whatever works is acceptable...and even when it doesn't work....just ask Stephane Dion, who spent much time comparing PM Harper to President Bush. Canada "re-elected" Bush !

[jdobbin]

But the Repubs love to beat dead horses it seems.

It might have been the straw the both Colin's back.

Powell said that the terrorism link was unacceptable to him.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Powell said that the terrorism link was unacceptable to him.

Powell also said that there were mobile biological weapons laboratories in Iraq....this "lie" was acceptable in 2003.

PS - This might be a cross post...I better report myself.

Edited October 19, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

It might have been the straw the both Colin's back.

Powell said that the terrorism link was unacceptable to him.

McCain's choosing Palin as a running mate was also a consideration in Powell's endorsement of Obama. It's good to see people like Powell not being afraid to say that it makes them question McCain's judgment too, and clearly state that she is not ready to be POTUS.

He said McCain's choice of Palin raised questions about judgment.

"I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States," Powell said.

[jdobbin]

McCain's choosing Palin as a running mate was also a consideration in Powell's endorsement of Obama. It's good to see people like Powell not being afraid to say that it makes them question McCain's judgment too, and clearly state that she is not ready to be POTUS.

I'm just listening to Fareed Zakaria's endorsement of Obama on CNN. He is worried about McCain on economics and foreign policy.

I think foreign policy is one of the issues that Powell was concerned about as well.

By the way, have you seen the latest Minnesota polls from Rasmussen and Quinnipiac/WSJ/WP that have Al Franken in the lead over Norm Coleman? Looks like another Republican Senator might be in trouble.

Likewise, Paulson is scrambling against Madia in Minnseota's 3rd district.

[BubberMiley]

And Bachmann might be in trouble in Congress, now that she's exposed herself as one of the "Obama bin Laden" nutjobs.

[jdobbin]

And Bachmann might be in trouble in Congress, now that she's exposed herself as one of the "Obama bin Laden" nutjobs.

Michelle Bachman still have the lead but it looks to be vulnerable and money is being poured into the Minnesota district.

This scandal seems to dog her now.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/13232/rep-...tion-to-charity

On October 2, she withdrew a letter of recommendation for a presidential pardon she had written for Vennes, who served time in Sandstone Federal Correctional Facility in the ‘80s for money laundering, cocaine distribution and illegal firearm sales. And, her chief of staff now has acknowledged that on the same day, Bachmann donated at least one of Vennes’ multiple campaign contributions to charity. Neither the amount of the donation nor the name of the charity were revealed.

Vennes and his family are among Bachmann’s biggest individual campaign contributors. He and his wife, Kimberly, have donated $27,400 to Bachmann’s campaign funds since 2005–$9,200 this year alone. Vennes’ brother and his wife, Greg and Stephanie Vennes, have donated an additional $8,400 to Bachmann since 2005. And Vennes’ personal lawyer, C. Craig Howse, has donated another $5,000 to Bachmann’s campaign coffers since 2007.

Edited October 19, 2008 by jdobbin

[BC_chick]

Is it any wonder that in McCain's stumping that he has to correct people on Obama being an Arab?

He's not an Arab, he's a decent family-man.... (because we all know that Arabs can't be decent family-men?)

Even his 'defense' of Obama was racist.