Harper needs to step down

[jdobbin]

He voted for a gun registry with a price tag of $2 million.

So he would have brought it in for $2 million and everything would have been okay?

[capricorn]

According to a guest of MDuffy (a woman who wrote his book - can't remember her name, sorry), Dion received that memo in April, 2008. If I'm not mistaken an expose' will come out soon on the National Post (?).

Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion was warned by the party's own pollster seven weeks before launching his Green Shift plan that it was a "vote loser, not a vote winner."

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/519051

[jdobbin]

And Harper is paying the price for blabbing. If Harper does a good job at governing he could possibly pick up more seats, there were some real nail biters. If Harper makes ammends with Quebec, he could pick up some more seats. Personally I'd apologize for the gaffe, but that's just me.

I don't know what amends he can make to Quebec. Will he let them separate and pick up the tab forever?

There is no end to what the province or any province will ask for.

However if Harper goes into major deficit and the CPC for some reason causes a catastrophe, Harper will lose, just like Mulroney did.

I'm sure some people in rural western Canada will vote for Conservatives or some other conservative party even if there are deficits.

My prediction the next election will either be a landslide CPC win or real close minority for the Liberals depending on what happens and how bad the CPC handles this mess.

I don't pray for bad economic times. I just think that Harper has shown no evidence of being able to control spending in better times. He has certainly backed off talk about not going into deficit.

[Mr.Canada]

So are you a fan of the RH JC?

I have no idea what that is.

I choose to use our Prime Ministers title that he has earned. A PM has earned the right to use RH before his/her name legally for life.

So I choose to take the high road and use the proper title of our PM. I happen to respect our democracy and its process which is less than I can say for many here.

[blueblood]

I don't know what amends he can make to Quebec. Will he let them separate and pick up the tab forever?

There is no end to what the province or any province will ask for.

I'm sure some people in rural western Canada will vote for Conservatives or some other conservative party even if there are deficits.

I don't pray for bad economic times. I just think that Harper has shown no evidence of being able to control spending in better times. He has certainly backed off talk about not going into deficit.

The easterners won't like Harper running deficits, nor would I. He'd lose his newfound Ontario ridings for sure. Maybe a few in the west.

He has to spend in order to appease urban voters, I don't think he likes that too much at all. But he's running a country, not a company.

[Mr.Canada]

The easterners won't like Harper running deficits, nor would I. He'd lose his newfound Ontario ridings for sure. Maybe a few in the west.

He has to spend in order to appease urban voters, I don't think he likes that too much at all. But he's running a country, not a company.

Why should he even bother trying to appease any urban people?

They voted Liberal, they lost. They should be ignored and suffer as imo.

Vote for the CPC or be ignored. You want things urbanites? Then vote for the government, the CPC and the RH Stephan Harper.

All the urbanites do is slam our PM. SI he should take all that crap and still help them, I don't think so.

I hope he ignores you all and rewards the ridings who actually voted for him, his caucus and his vision, everyone else should get nothing until the vote for the CPC.

[marksman]

I have no idea what that is.

I choose to use our Prime Ministers title that he has earned. A PM has earned the right to use RH before his/her name legally for life.

So I choose to take the high road and use the proper title of our PM. I happen to respect our democracy and its process which is less than I can say for many here.

Don't believe it for a second. If you were taking the high road and respecting our democracy you would've used the title that Dion earned the right to use for life as well as Harper's title. You would've used the title that Chretien earned the right to use for life when you wrote about him. You didn't. Taking the high road means treating people equally even if you don't support their political views.

Edited October 18, 2008 by marksman

[marksman]

Why should he even bother trying to appease any urban people?

They voted Liberal, they lost. They should be ignored and suffer as imo.

Vote for the CPC or be ignored. You want things urbanites? Then vote for the government, the CPC and the RH Stephan Harper.

All the urbanites do is slam our PM. SI he should take all that crap and still help them, I don't think so.

I hope he ignores you all and rewards the ridings who actually voted for him, his caucus and his vision, everyone else should get nothing until the vote for the CPC.

You must be a Liberal supporter trolling the internet. Noone could give worse advice to the Conservatives.

[Mr.Canada]

You must be a Liberal supporter trolling the internet. Noone could give worse advice to the Conservatives.

It was an obvious joke and guess what, it worked.

Thanks for proving my point, pathetic...really sad actually.

Btw Noone isn't a word. I think that's grade 6 or 7 English.

A lot of funny posts tonight.

[jdobbin]

The easterners won't like Harper running deficits, nor would I. He'd lose his newfound Ontario ridings for sure. Maybe a few in the west.

Given the prominence of bad news on the world front, it is going to be hard to keep an export economy on the bubble.

He has to spend in order to appease urban voters, I don't think he likes that too much at all. But he's running a country, not a company.

If he tries to hard like Mulroney did with Quebec, for example, he will split the party.

[marksman]

It was an obvious joke and guess what, it worked.

Thanks for proving my point, pathetic...really sad actually.

Btw Noone isn't a word. I think that's grade 6 or 7 English.

A lot of funny posts tonight.

In order to work a joke should be funny. I'd say nice try but it wasn't. At least I can agree that your posts are really sad.

And btw isn't a word. Didn't we talk about proofreading before criticizing other's use of language?

[jdobbin]

In order to work a joke should be funny. I'd say nice try but it wasn't. At least I can agree that your posts are really sad.

And btw isn't a word. Didn't we talk about proofreading before criticizing other's use of language?

The comma after "guess what" sort of gives it away that a few English lessons were missed as well.

[Smallc]

I have no idea what that is.

The Right Honourable Jean Chretien. I expect also that you will soon start referring to Mr. Dion as The Honourable Stephane Dion.

[betsy]

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/519051

Thanks for that.

[Mr.Canada]

The comma after "guess what" sort of gives it away that a few English lessons were missed as well.

This is the game Marksman.

It was done on purpose to garner a response and to hijack this thread with nonsense instead of bashing our PM.

It's called spin, deflection and peripheral.

You partisan liberals are so easy.

Edited October 19, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[jdobbin]

It was done on purpose to garner a response and to hijack this thread with nonsense instead of bashing our PM.

It is so easy to attack Harper. He is his own worst enemy. Took the chance to have one of the largest majorities since Mulroney and he got punked by Duceppe and the weakest Liberal leader since Confederation.

[Mr.Canada]

It is so easy to attack Harper. He is his own worst enemy. Took the chance to have one of the largest majorities since Mulroney and he got punked by Duceppe and the weakest Liberal leader since Confederation.

Funny how before the election all the partisans here were labeling him the next PM. I don't believe you did but many did. I don't want the RH Stephan Harper to run in the next election either, I want a new party leader in place as well. He is too damaged by his past imo. Maybe not, but probably.

[jdobbin]

Funny how before the election all the partisans here were labeling him the next PM. I don't believe you did but many did. I don't want the RH Stephan Harper to run in the next election either, I want a new party leader in place as well. He is too damaged by his past imo. Maybe not, but probably.

I never said Dion would be the next prime minister. I contended from 2006 on that the Liberals would lose and never wavered. I also said that Harper would call the election himself. That timing, I believed, was likely to deliver the Liberal to extinction.

Timing as it turns out gave Harper as many problems as it did Liberals. The economic woes probably took the edge off what might have been a massive Tory victory. That, and alienating Quebec, puts the country in much the same spot: a minority.

There are a number of reasons why Harper might want to go before six months are over: 1. A recession might drag on and if a deficit is produced, it will look bad. 2. The Liberals will be weak for six months with no leader and money directed at a convention. 3. A minority government might hit the government at the worst possible timing later on and before the fixed election date.

Harper has no succession plans that I have discerned. He allows few ministers to grow and the ones that he does let speak might not be able to carry the country at such a time as needed. Somehow I don't think most see Flaherty as PM.

The Liberals are terribly weak now. Six months is a long time in politics. If Harper waits too long, he might be facing a lot more negatives that positives.

[marksman]

This is the game Marksman.

It was done on purpose to garner a response and to hijack this thread with nonsense instead of bashing our PM.

It's called spin, deflection and peripheral.

You partisan liberals are so easy.

If this is the game then you're not good at it. I've already said I think Harper should stay but that he only gets 1 more shot at a majority before the party starts to put pressure on him to leave. I'm curious to know how that makes me a partisan liberal. Don't bother answering. I'm not expecting a useful answer. It's easier for you to namecall and hijack then engage in an actual discussion. The fact that you're proud of that says a lot about you.

[marksman]

There are a number of reasons why Harper might want to go before six months are over: 1. A recession might drag on and if a deficit is produced, it will look bad. 2. The Liberals will be weak for six months with no leader and money directed at a convention. 3. A minority government might hit the government at the worst possible timing later on and before the fixed election date.

Are you saying you think Harper will go for another election in 6 months?

[Topaz]

You must be a Liberal supporter trolling the internet. Noone could give worse advice to the Conservatives.

What about Harper's newest advisor fromer Mike Harris advisor?? Look at the trouble Harris got into with the First Nation and sending the police on CUPE workers when they were on strike!

[blueblood]

The national energy program was for ALL of Canada but to Harper he said it hurt Alberta and when Mulroney came he he didn't get rid of it either so it couldn't been that bad. The above was the resons Harper went from Lib to PC to Reform/alliance to Conservative. ANYTHING that hurts the oil companies he's against and so Dion's carbon tax for polluters.

The national energy program was for Eastern Canada. It literally screwed the west out of money. We don't owe you cheap oil and cheap food. Oil companies are the new manufacturing sector. The better the oil companies do, the better Canada does. Our manufacturing sector has been rendered useless by developing countries. We are no longer a developing country and working in factories is a thing of the past.

[Smallc]

The better the oil companies do, the better Canada does.

Not completely true as Ontario still has a GDP 2.5 times the size of that of Alberta. Ontario is still the heart of the economy, and when Ontario is not doing well, it will probably eventually mean that Canada is not doing well.

Also, the NEP was designed to keep Canada afloat in a rough time...and it did just that. It may not have been good to Alberta, but Trudeau was running an entire country, ad had to look at the entire populations best interests. A province should not come first to a PM. Country first, and that is what Trudeau was and should have been concerned with.

To say that Alberta owes nothing to Ontario is also rather selfish. Alberta wasn't always rich and it won't always be rich, and thats something that should be remembered. I would hope that When Alberta is in need, the rest of Canada would come to their aid, just as they should.

[whowhere]

The national energy program was for Eastern Canada. It literally screwed the west out of money. We don't owe you cheap oil and cheap food. Oil companies are the new manufacturing sector. The better the oil companies do, the better Canada does. Our manufacturing sector has been rendered useless by developing countries. We are no longer a developing country and working in factories is a thing of the past.

Holy Batman, a dumbass to the extreme. Dummy is what Dummy says and does. It is funny how the inability of people to pay to their mortgages, car loans, and credit cards has crippled the US economy, plunged the stock markets, and has set in motion the tanking of the world economies. This economic death spiral started because the left hand of corporate greed didn't think of the right hand. In the corporate drive to maximize profits at any costs they buckled the economies of the world creating the very crisis that has actually been the knife that slit their own throats. Many hedge funds and Investment Banks have been crushed and it will not be long before the world figures out to fuk u up real good with ur greed azz attitudes. It is not in the US interest for Alberta to enjoy High Oil prices as such there will be a move from oil dependency. So enjoy your plunging oil, because natural gas fuel cells and bio-diesel will be the quick fix to u fakers. When oil is plunged to 11 dolllars a barrel Ontario and the rest of Canada will remember Alberta's your attitude. Enjoy your party it's not going to last

Oil is 71.80 some are talking $50. We will see. I suspect you are someone who "works" in the Oil industry and when u say we, u suffer from dementia into believing you will not feel the corporate knife. Your investment money has dried up, Oil revenues are plunging, Corporations are greedy. When the ship is sinking they will move to preserve their bottom line. What that means is layoffs and and a cut back on the workforce. Not to worry you are in Good Hands with the Harper Conservatives because they will move to Cut Corporate Taxes creating an incentive for Companies to move swiflty to cut you (the dead weight) off their payroll to maximize their profits at reduced Corporate taxes.

Alberta is going to get what it deserves.

[blueblood]

Not completely true as Ontario still has a GDP 2.5 times the size of that of Alberta. Ontario is still the heart of the economy, and when Ontario is not doing well, it will probably eventually mean that Canada is not doing well.

Also, the NEP was designed to keep Canada afloat in a rough time...and it did just that. It may not have been good to Alberta, but Trudeau was running an entire country, ad had to look at the entire populations best interests. A province should not come first to a PM. Country first, and that is what Trudeau was and should have been concerned with.

To say that Alberta owes nothing to Ontario is also rather selfish. Alberta wasn't always rich and it won't always be rich, and thats something that should be remembered. I would hope that When Alberta is in need, the rest of Canada would come to their aid, just as they should.

Alberta also has a much higher GDP per capita and the west bankrolls half the Toronto Stock exchange. The economy is skipping town. During the summer it was the resource sector that kept the TSE going.

Keeping Canada afloat by punishing our exports. Another dumb Trudeau policy. Trudeau's escapades handed Mulroney one of the biggest majorities in Canadian History. NEP is a prime example of why socialism is a complete failure and stupid economic policy. Our Oil industry was set back big time because of this. Let the west make our money. The carbon tax was another attack to the west similar to NEP.

Alberta doesn't owe Ontario a dime. Ontario has no God given right to the West's resources and can pay the price like everyone else. Alberta has now put itself to be in a much better financial situation than Ontario permanently. Those Oil sands last a long time, by then Alberta will have diversified. You have a very naive view of how Canada works. Where was Ontario when our grain industry was in the tank? Where was Ontario when oil prices crashed in the late 80's? Should we have a national manufacturing policy where the west gets all of ontario's manufactured goods for dirt cheap? No we pay market price like everyone else.