Isn't it time to slow down immigration?

DogOnPorch · October 19, 2008

So that's a 'no' then...

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What's 500 lawyers on a sinking ship?

A good start.

Argus · October 19, 2008

You know, I was going to take the time to respond, but I think I've decided that I'm done with you. I wouldn't matter what I show you, the fact is you don't like people from other places and as a result your not really someone that I want to have a discussion with. You have this idea about "those people," one that goes against Canadian values and my own personal beliefs. I'm done discussing it.

I always appreciate it when someone surrenders so completely, so abjectly, and slinks away in embarrassment, their arguments in tatters.

I made a number of factual statements about the economic impact of immigration, about the demographics contradicting your beliefs, and about the illogic of suggesting our "mosaic" was leading to some sort of economic inroads with Europe. You have been completely unable to refute any of it, and all you can respond with is the mindless, brainless accusation of last resort we always seem to get from the zealous politically correct defenders of the immigration system.

If you're against immigration - at all - for any reason - you're a racist.

Life must be so simple when you're simple-minded. No need to attempt to think.

Edited October 19, 2008 by Argus

Griz · October 19, 2008

Logistically, it'll be tough to ship millions of caucasian immigrants back to Europe They probably won't go anyways since they call this place home now

William Ashley · October 19, 2008

If we are headed for economic turmoil as the opposition parties are claiming, isn't it time to slow down immigration.
After all if Canadians are out of work what sense does it make to keep taking in new Canadians?

There are different classes of immigration - one is business investment immigration that is you invest like 250,000$ or more and you get in type deal.

Another is skilled labourourer -- eg. doctors, people with skills, people on long term work visas.

and the popular mindset of immigrant - refugees - people that will be tortured, or suffer in their home land and are seeking asylum. I think the first step on reducing this one is stop funding foreign wars. It not only saves tax payer dollars but also lowers the number of refugees. Also only accepting refugees through Canadina Embassies or the UN may help, and a constructive plan of resettlement should be made... obviously the number of refugees is usually limited - however many times these are political people with the skills to survive, not to be understated. Not just political tools. It also shows canada cares about human rights.

Shouldn't we be finding hard working Canadians jobs after the collapse of the manufacturing sector?

In my platform I support employment and education for Canadians seeking to upgrade thier skills. Ultimately it is up to the government to provide basic needs of the citizens--- and to do this the canadian government must be invested and control a segment of housing production, food production, textiles and other needs based industries - organizing a crown corporation and employment of skilled workers to VICTORY IN CANADA GOODS is the way to go to insure people are employeed short of the foreign owned private megacorps providing jobs for canadians rather than their transfers on work visas from the head office. We have as much capacity as our ability to develope canada and create products. People may just like cash but doing a costo type if you buy our products you can work for us deal for gaurenteed employment is a way we can manage the economy, provide jobs for otherwise unemployed, and not run a loss or even run a profit to reinvest.

It seems strange to me that immigration is to remain high when all opposition parties are claiming we are heading to a recession. If we go into a recession wouldn't the new Canadians needlessly further strain our social assistance system?

lots of immigrants help the economy by working. Imposing a new law saying new immigrants would not have access to social welfare for the first 5 years of being in canada or something like that may help, but we need to be realistic.. and recognize that if people are destitute, even our welfare programs force peopel to work eg OW so it is just a matter of making sure OW is run efficiently to stimulate the economy not just waste peoples time or make their lives miserable.

The LPC and the NDP claim that we have lost 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the CPC came to power. Is it prudent to allow over 400,000 immigrants into the country in the same time span if we are on the verge of recession?

Does it matter?

Seems irresponsible to me.

What is irresponsible is the government not instituting public works projects to employ the unemployed. To let them contribute to the economy or improve their education.

PoliticalCitizen · October 19, 2008

So the fact that Canadians aren't having enough children to replace or even sustain the population counts for nothing.

And the government sure isn't helping... How can you afford daycare for 2 kids @ $1000 per kid per month?

It seems the government is purposely driving Canadians to extinction (except the ones on wellfare) and increasing the population ONLY by importing immigrants.

Dr V · October 20, 2008

Yes, we need nuclear engineers who can't read English, and doctors who think you cure cancer with herbs and spices. We need architects who don't know how to use computers and lawyers who think the proper punishment for theft is chopping off a limb or two.
Just because someone SAYS they have credentials from some rathole of a country doesn't mean those credentials have much value in Canada.

I can assure you Immigration Canada does not just take people's word for it. Where things go wrong is when Immigration Canada tells people that their credentials together with work experience (both of which require proof) are valuable here and that they will have no trouble finding work, and then these people wake up to a very different reality once they have immigrated. After all, the immigration authorities are not responsible for matching people with prospective jobs. So whether or not these credentials actually have value here is something we may never find out.

As for these alleged doctors who think you cure cancer with spices - these poor souls will never survive the competition from our quality Made-in-Canada aromatherapists, acupuncturists, chiropractors, past-life regressionists and other practitioners representing the "alternative" to real medicine

Edited October 20, 2008 by Dr V

PoliticalCitizen · October 20, 2008

I always appreciate it when someone surrenders so completely, so abjectly, and slinks away in embarrassment, their arguments in tatters.
I made a number of factual statements about the economic impact of immigration, about the demographics contradicting your beliefs, and about the illogic of suggesting our "mosaic" was leading to some sort of economic inroads with Europe. You have been completely unable to refute any of it, and all you can respond with is the mindless, brainless accusation of last resort we always seem to get from the zealous politically correct defenders of the immigration system.

If you're against immigration - at all - for any reason - you're a racist.

Life must be so simple when you're simple-minded. No need to attempt to think.

Well it's not really a mosaic, it is true.

Most immigrants are either Asian (Chinese, Korean, etc.) or Indian (from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc); so we're slowly beginning to look like Indo-China more than anything else.

BC_chick · October 20, 2008

As for these alleged doctors who think you cure cancer with spices - these poor souls will never survive the competition from our quality Made-in-Canada aromatherapists, acupuncturists, chiropractors, past-life regressionists and other practitioners representing the "alternative" to real medicine

I remember meeting this doctor who was doing two years worth of Canadian equivalence requirements even though she was already a doctor, from, oh, where was that Godforsaken place.... oh ya, La Sorbonne.

M.Dancer · October 20, 2008

I remember meeting this doctor who was doing two years worth of Canadian equivalence requirements even though she was already a doctor, from, oh, where was that Godforsaken place.... oh ya, La Sorbonne.

Given that the Sorbonne doesn't teach medicine I would say an extra 2 years was very generous.

BC_chick · October 20, 2008

Given that the Sorbonne doesn't teach medicine I would say an extra 2 years was very generous.

Sorbonne got broken up into different faculties and not all kept the Sorbonne name.

But I guess the people who study there don't anticipate such level of scrutiny as your post, so they just refer to their school name with the one most foreigners are familiar with. The same way a Vancouverite would say "I studied at UBC" instead of Sauder School of Business if they were talking to someone who is not from Vancouver.

Besides, the point was she was a doctor in Paris, a city in civilised western nation. Nothing more.

Edited October 20, 2008 by BC_chick

Mr.Canada · October 20, 2008

If Canadians are under a financial strain and hard economic times how does it help to keep the doors open when many of these people put great strain on our system?

Smallc · October 20, 2008

If Canadians are under a financial strain and hard economic times how does it help to keep the doors open when many of these people put great strain on our system?

It helps because many of them help to bring great wealth to our system, just as immigrants always have throughout our history.

Mr.Canada · October 20, 2008

It helps because many of them help to bring great wealth to our system, just as immigrants always have throughout our history.

Absolutely false. When my family came here they didn't sit on the public dole as their was none. They got to work and helped build it.

What are these people contributing while using my tax dollars to live when we are under such strain?

Canada is becoming a huge Salvation Army homeless shelter.

Edited October 20, 2008 by Mr.Canada

Smallc · October 20, 2008

Absolutely false. When my family came here they didn't sit on the public dole as their was none. They got to work and helped build it.
What are these people contributing while using my tax dollars to live when we are under such strain?

Canada is becoming a huge Salvation Army homeless shelter.

Your proof for that is? Governments favour immigration because it is good for the economy. If it wasn't....

Edited October 20, 2008 by Smallc

Mr.Canada · October 20, 2008

Your proof for that is? Governments favour immigration because it is good for the economy. If it wasn't....

That is my question. How is it good for us?

So far you haven't answered it.

Smallc · October 20, 2008

That is my question. How is it good for us?
So far you haven't answered it.

A larger workforce, a larger consumer economy, and the fact that many immigrants are highly educated. Many do have trouble finding work at first, but we can't guage long term progress on that.

guyser · October 20, 2008

... how does it help to keep the doors open when many of these people put great strain on our system?

Who are the "these people" you refer to?

Mr.Canada · October 20, 2008

Who are the "these people" you refer to?

Foreigners. We don't need the poor from any country, enough Canadians are poor. We're full, should read the sign.

EDIT Hrm, maybe I should say that we need to limit the immigration and be more selective in this trying time.

Not forever, just for now. Until we get jobs for the homeless people in our urban areas and better jobs for our working poor.

Edited October 20, 2008 by Mr.Canada

Smallc · October 20, 2008

Foreigners. We don't need the poor from any country, enough Canadians are poor. We're full, should read the sign.
EDIT Hrm, maybe I should say that we need to limit the immigration and be more selective in this trying time.

Not forever, just for now. Until we get jobs for the homeless people in our urban areas and better jobs for our working poor.

I know staunch conservatives like to make everything sound simple, but its not. We need skilled people, now, and many of the immigrants we take in are skilled, highly educated, and very contributing. We would have to wait years to get people here trained to the level we need in some cases. Our immigration system is very selective in many of the criteria. Every government we've had for the longest time has been very supportive of immigration because its good for Canada. That includes the government of the RH Stephen Harper.

PoliticalCitizen · October 21, 2008

If Canadians are under a financial strain and hard economic times how does it help to keep the doors open when many of these people put great strain on our system?

WTF are you talking about?

Care to explain yourself or do we just have to endure your hateful, mindless slur?

Mr.Canada · October 21, 2008

WTF are you talking about?
Care to explain yourself or do we just have to endure your hateful, mindless slur?

From the first page. Add is a problem in todays "have it your way" society, I understand that. So, I'll repost it.

If we are headed for economic turmoil as the opposition parties are claiming, isn't it time to slow down immigration.

After all if Canadians are out of work what sense does it make to keep taking in new Canadians?

Shouldn't we be finding hard working Canadians jobs after the collapse of the manufacturing sector?

It seems strange to me that immigration is to remain high when all opposition parties are claiming we are heading to a recession.

If we go into a recession wouldn't the new Canadians needlessly further strain our social assistance system?

Obviously I am not speaking of those who come here bringing money to start businesses etc. I am speaking of the ones who go directly onto the public dole and remain there.

The LPC and the NDP claim that we have lost 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the CPC came to power. Is it prudent to allow over 400,000 immigrants into the country in the same time span if we are on the verge of recession?

Seems irresponsible to me.

Sir Bandelot · October 21, 2008

What do you mean by foreigners?

How about people from Britain, or the United States, would they be still allowed?

Mr.Canada · October 21, 2008

What do you mean by foreigners?
How about people from Britain, or the United States, would they be still allowed?

Anyone from anywhere. If they are unskilled we don't need them IMO.

We have many many homeless people in our urban whom are unemployed and need jobs so they can stop being homeless and start giving back to their country.

We have so many immigrants that they must be out numbering Canadians so badly that they are losing their homes and becoming homeless as the urban centres show us.

William Ashley · October 21, 2008

After all, the immigration authorities are not responsible for matching people with prospective jobs.

That is part of the problem right there.. people on work visas, and a database of employeers seeking immigrants would be great to gauge the levels of immigration that Canada is able to absorb in part.

Having preentry interviews with prospeective employers may help, especially for people with credentials - save them the time and the insult.

Have Immigration screen people on a basis of being employed on CONTRACT prior to entry and citizenship...

ps when did Canadas population drop to 33million and when did the US populatoin drop to 301million? Wasn't it like 36 million and 320 million, a few years ago?

Edited October 21, 2008 by William Ashley

Smallc · October 21, 2008

ps when did Canadas population drop to 33million and when did the US populatoin drop to 301million? Wasn't it like 36 million and 320 million, a few years ago?

No.