Cold War II

[Argus]

Its common practice to use Naval ships for humanitarian aid, Canada does it all the time.

Why the hell should they get out of a port that is not Russian, especially when they are welcomed by the government that owns the port?

I don't think Russians even understand the concept of humanitarian aid. The only things their warships ever deliver anywhere blow things up.

[PoliticalCitizen]

I don't think Russians even understand the concept of humanitarian aid. The only things their warships ever deliver anywhere blow things up.

Isn't that the purpose of a "war"ship?

[AngusThermopyle]

Isn't that the purpose of a "war"ship?

Once upon a time it was. Changing times demand changing roles, except in Russia.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Once upon a time it was. Changing times demand changing roles, except in Russia.

I guess you're right - it is still better than to name it "Peace"ship and deliver weapons...

[bush_cheney2004]

Time has passed Russia by....it is where smiles go to die.

[Oleg Bach]

Time has passed Russia by....it is where smiles go to die.

There is a large decaying strip joint in my neighbourhood. The local sophistocates (aging female artists) like to say that "It's where old strippers go to die" ...Russia prostituted it self during the soviet era..now time has passed her by...all that is left in the form of leadership are the decendants of the peasants - guys like Putin...that's what happens when you murder all your good and clever people - by the way - who the hell financed communism in Russia - God only knows commies have no damned money - see my point - some one 70 years ago turned hooker and sold out a nation.

[PoliticalCitizen]

There is a large decaying strip joint in my neighbourhood. The local sophistocates (aging female artists) like to say that "It's where old strippers go to die" ...Russia prostituted it self during the soviet era..now time has passed her by...all that is left in the form of leadership are the decendants of the peasants - guys like Putin...that's what happens when you murder all your good and clever people - by the way - who the hell financed communism in Russia - God only knows commies have no damned money - see my point - some one 70 years ago turned hooker and sold out a nation.

Nah...

Revolution is good: kill off some cream of the crap, let some crap from the bottom make it to the top - it is basically a homogenizing process that insures that there's no old decay in any layer. Good for the gene pool too - the Russian tsar family was plagued by deseases caused by royal inbreeding.

[Oleg Bach]

Nah...

Revolution is good: kill off some cream of the crap, let some crap from the bottom make it to the top - it is basically a homogenizing process that insures that there's no old decay in any layer. Good for the gene pool too - the Russian tsar family was plagued by deseases caused by royal inbreeding.

So you think the Queen of Englands first cousin was inbreed do you - ? Now I wonder - if I am smart but poor - the revolutionaries will not kill me...but if I am smart and rich then they do kill me and then rob me...I suggest you put on a mask and go mug someone and get the resentment out of your system for being inferior genetically...now shoo peasant boy.

[PoliticalCitizen]

So you think the Queen of Englands first cousin was inbreed do you - ? Now I wonder - if I am smart but poor - the revolutionaries will not kill me...but if I am smart and rich then they do kill me and then rob me...I suggest you put on a mask and go mug someone and get the resentment out of your system for being inferior genetically...now shoo peasant boy.

Dude...

You you're smart but poor you're one of the Revolutionary leaders...

If you're smart and rich you're the one who hires Revolutionaries in the neighboring country to mess it up to your advantage...

It is always good to be smart... even for a peasant boy. Insulting somebody is usually not smart...

[PoliticalCitizen]

There's a curious blog on the American Foreign Policy Counsil's website:

Another Nail In NATO’s Coffin

http://www.afpc.org/blog/?p=32

[jbg]

Nah...

Revolution is good: kill off some cream of the crap, let some crap from the bottom make it to the top - it is basically a homogenizing process that insures that there's no old decay in any layer. Good for the gene pool too - the Russian tsar family was plagued by deseases caused by royal inbreeding.

Tell that to the "kulaks" or for that matter any Ukrainian during the 1930's.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Tell that to the "kulaks" or for that matter any Ukrainian during the 1930's.

There always are victims, both in the fight for "Socialism" and "Democracy".

I'm sure slave owners from the South of US were unhappy about the slaves being freed... maybe even less happy now that most of the youth enjoys "black" style of music, clothing, speech etc.

[DogOnPorch]

Speaking of the Ukraine, here's a chum's website with dramatic photos from the Orange Revolution.

Her website on Chernobyl as well as the Battle of Kiev in 1941 are also very interesting.

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Ahmed is a soldier in a prison watchtower. He stands high above a harsh, barbed wire world. He feels sleepy but forces himself to stay alert lest he miss an opportunity for the big prize, two weeks of vacation for each convict shot while trying to escape.

---Elena

[bush_cheney2004]

...I'm sure slave owners from the South of US were unhappy about the slaves being freed... maybe even less happy now that most of the youth enjoys "black" style of music, clothing, speech etc.

They're were even more unhappy in Lower Canada...and still are.

[PoliticalCitizen]

http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/08/stories/2008090856581400.htm

Russia, Venezuela to hold naval war games

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[PoliticalCitizen]

http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=90820080685

White House Revokes Determination On Nuclear Deal With Russia

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Edited September 11, 2008 by Charles Anthony
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[PoliticalCitizen]

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080910/116695660.html

Russian strategic bombers land in Venezuela

21:58 | 10/ 09/ 2008

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[DogOnPorch]

Just a head's up, PC. I believe it is forum rules that you can't post articles alone without some commentary as to why you posted it.

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Mexican Americans enjoy education...

so they go to night school,..

take Spanish and get a 'B'.

---Cheech y Chong

[Adhesion]

just a counter-demonstration of military power as an answer for NATO presence at the Black Sea.

Edited September 11, 2008 by Adhesion

[PoliticalCitizen]

I'll keep posting updates to the Cold War II developments as links with my comments.

Thanks for reminding me of the forum rules.

[PoliticalCitizen]

NATO's summit in Tbilisi just ended. A NATO - Georgia commission will be created to help Georgia rebuild (its military, most likely).

The NATO link below has only strong support words for Georgia:

http://www.america.gov/st/peacesec-english...tml?CP.rss=true

This following link, however, underlines the "Democratic" changes that Georgia needs to undertake before it may be eligible as a NATO member. The good news is that apparently a "Democratically Elected Government" usually has some type of opposition in the parliament (which appears to be magically missing in Georgia).

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insi...av091608f.shtml

The good news here is that MAYBE as part of the "Democratization" Georgia will hold internationally monitored general elections where the US puppet Saakashvili will be replaced with a mentally stable contendant that will consider Georgia's national interests BEFORE catering to USA's foreign policy ambitions.

[Sulaco]

This is my favorite part about Russians.

a. They will threaten your nation with invasion.

b. They will point out its not in your national interest to be invaded.

c. When you act to find allies to forestall Russian invasion, the Russians will tell you again that such actions will result in invasion. Therefore they are not in your national interest.

d. What is in your national interest - why, it's submission to mother Russia.

A surprising outcome eh?

Now, I understand that the backward Russians cannot see a way of ordering the world beyond the way they order their own lives - brutish vodka-swilling-infused paranoid violence. And so their view of their own national interest is rigid and somewhat barbaric. But at least be honest and tell us that it is in Russia's self interest to subjugate Georgia, not that the Goargian's self interest will best be served by kowtowing to benevolent mother Russia.

[PoliticalCitizen]

This is my favorite part about Russians.

a. They will threaten your nation with invasion.

b. They will point out its not in your national interest to be invaded.

c. When you act to find allies to forestall Russian invasion, the Russians will tell you again that such actions will result in invasion. Therefore they are not in your national interest.

d. What is in your national interest - why, it's submission to mother Russia.

A surprising outcome eh?

Now, I understand that the backward Russians cannot see a way of ordering the world beyond the way they order their own lives - brutish vodka-swilling-infused paranoid violence. And so their view of their own national interest is rigid and somewhat barbaric. But at least be honest and tell us that it is in Russia's self interest to subjugate Georgia, not that the Goargian's self interest will best be served by kowtowing to benevolent mother Russia.

Hehehe

1. It is not in Georgia's national interest to re-arm itself

2. It is not in Georgia's national interest to become part of NATO

3. It is in Georgia's national interest to elect a sane and peaceful government

They should learn from their mistakes

[Oleg Bach]

Hehehe

1. It is not in Georgia's national interest to re-arm itself

2. It is not in Georgia's national interest to become part of NATO

3. It is in Georgia's national interest to elect a sane and peaceful government

They should learn from their mistakes

Georgia as I said is like say Texas in the USA- as part of an old union. Stalin was from Georgia - so Georgia is part of Russia as it was of the Soviet block. Revisonism pop in mind when suddenly the west who has never even heard of Georgia SUDDENLY...takes notice as if some long independent state has SUDDENLY been invaded by the pesky aggressive Russians. To expect Russia not to meddle in Georgia is like expecting the Americans not to mess with Alaska! Now off on to the NATO issue.

What and who originated NATO and for what reason is the real question...did NATO come into existance to further western interests? OR to maintain peace in the world? - seems that the Gerogian issue is not about western benevolence and human concerns...it clearly appears that it is about oil and the movement of oil - the fact that Israeli interlopers were making trouble in Georgia via military advisorship is troubling. Knowing that Israel is a henchmen and surrogate dog for the USA...maybe we need a little truth right about now and perhaps look at not turning Georgia into another damned fraud similar to Iraq.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Revisonism pop in mind when suddenly the west who has never even heard of Georgia SUDDENLY...takes notice as if some long independent state has SUDDENLY been invaded by the pesky aggressive Russians.

Rogozin, Russian representative to NATO, believes NATO wants to use the Georgian airfields in its planned attack on Iran.

...So Bush has to support the "Democratically Elected" Georgian government