Gang Warz

[bill_barilko]

I would like to add some knowledge into the discussion here. I work in the same school as Langly NDP leader Andrew Claxton, and here are some of the actions he has done:

You work in a school but can't spell the name of the municipality where it's located-Langley?

I see you posted the exact same thing spelling error and all right here the only contribution you've ever made.

I don't know anything about Claxton except that he's a candidate not a leader of the NDP-what other lies have you concocted?

[guyser]

Unfortunately in Halifax we have mostly trouble with the Blacks..and its not racism its just the way it is.

No no, its not racism , it just couldnt be.Cuz I say it so many times it must be true. LOL

Of course the drunken "white" ignoramuses of Scottish, Irish, Acadian ancestry dont contribute anything to the crime stats .

[Melanie_]

Unfortunately in Halifax we have mostly trouble with the Blacks..and its not racism its just the way it is.

Of course it's not racism....

Crime is crime, and people are people - crime occurs in every racial and cutural group. Check your statistics before you claim that you mostly have trouble with blacks; I bet that crime occurs right across the board, in proportion to the numbers of people in any particular group you choose to identify.

[Michael Hardner]

Hey Mel,

While I would probably be on "your side", in terms of being against race-baiting with respect to crime, I need to point out a few things:

1. Race-based statistics on crime are notoriously difficult to get and aren't published in Canada in many (all ?) cases.

2. Certain races are incarcerated out of proportion to their representation in society, and that's just a fact. But the reasons for this aren't clear.

[bush_cheney2004]

....While I would probably be on "your side", in terms of being against race-baiting with respect to crime, I need to point out a few things:

Whenever this game is played, I like to point out that there is sufficient data available in Canada to ask why "Asians" tolerate the higher crime rates of "Whites".

[Oleg Bach]

Whenever this game is played, I like to point out that there is sufficient data available in Canada to ask why "Asians" tolerate the higher crime rates of "Whites".

Asians are just more sophisticated when it comes to crimminal behavior. Whites are just a bit louder - and more obvious...as for blacks in Canada (east and west ends of Toronto) It is not black crime - it's just Jamacian imports....most blacks that I know are bright and good natured - and honest...crimes committed by our high white elite - are common and huge in scope - but they are establishment and the bigger gang - so it's not considered crime - who is bigger and more powerful always takes on the role of the good guy - even if they are really the bad guys --- Look a Wall street - crime on such a scope that in one year the robbery committed is equal to the robbing of a million convenience stores.

[thetruth]

You work in a school but can't spell the name of the municipality where it's located-Langley?

I see you posted the exact same thing spelling error and all right here the only contribution you've ever made.

I don't know anything about Claxton except that he's a candidate not a leader of the NDP-what other lies have you concocted?

Nope. Claxton works in Vancouver, but oddly enough, is part of the Langley NDP Party. If you do not believe what I have posted, that's fine. I do not spread lies about people.

All I can say about your response is that if you condone actions like his, that's your choice.

[bill_barilko]

Nope. Claxton works in Vancouver, but oddly enough, is part of the Langley NDP Party. If you do not believe what I have posted, that's fine. I do not spread lies about people.

So he works in one place but belongs to the NDP in the riding where he lives, is a candidate not a leader, I remind you that you posted he was a leader of the NDP-which is a lie.

Being as how you're a proven liar why should anyone pay attention to the garbage you've posted?

[thetruth]

So he works in one place but belongs to the NDP in the riding where he lives, is a candidate not a leader, I remind you that you posted he was a leader of the NDP-which is a lie.

Being as how you're a proven liar why should anyone pay attention to the garbage you've posted?

It's just that I used the wrong lingo; so that automatically makes me a liar, eh? The fact is, this forum is to discuss political issues, and I figured people should be aware of these kinds of actions by political candidates in this country. I wonder why we should tolerate a candidate who 1) says that we can make airplanes out of test papers, 2) insults a co-worker and student by calling them offensive names based on appearance or otherwise, and 3) makes questionable comments.

Again, using the wrong lingo does not make me a liar. However, what you choose to believe or not is entirely up to you.

Edited January 14, 2009 by thetruth

[thetruth]

So he works in one place but belongs to the NDP in the riding where he lives, is a candidate not a leader, I remind you that you posted he was a leader of the NDP-which is a lie.

Being as how you're a proven liar why should anyone pay attention to the garbage you've posted?

Once again, if you choose to condone these actions, that's fine.

[bill_barilko]

Once again, if you choose to condone these actions, that's fine.

I don't condone your lies No.

I realise English isn't your first language and that you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer-why don't you just STFU before you dig yourself an even deeper hole.

[thetruth]

I don't condone your lies No.

I realise English isn't your first language and that you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer-why don't you just STFU before you dig yourself an even deeper hole.

By all means you can believe in whatever you want. I do not lie about such things - if you condone those actions, that is your business. Good day - and I choose to spell that word "realize."

[bill_barilko]

By all means you can believe in whatever you want. I do not lie about such things - if you condone those actions, that is your business. Good day - and I choose to spell that word "realize."

You've been caught in a lie-this is fact. :angry:

[thetruth]

You've been caught in a lie-this is fact. :angry:

Not using the correct political lingo does not make me a liar. Nor does it make me stupid as you claimed. Good day to you; I certainly hope that you do not have to deal with unethical behaviour at your workplace the way that I have had. I stand by what I have posted in regards to Claxton's actions because I was there to hear what came out of his mouth. Cheers.

[Wilber]

This is what we are dealing with

Notice that our system still has all these scumbags out walking around. Also notice that none of these guys are immigrants. Old man Bacon and his brother were noted slimeballs in their youth and the kids are just chips off the old block. One upside is that their fleet of a half dozen or so armoured vehicles has been seized. A collection which among others includes a V12 Seven series BMW with armoured doors weighing 200 lbs each. You'd be looking at close to a quarter mill to get yourself one of those.

This sort of prohibition related violence has been going on for decades and will continue to go on forever or until such time as the government capitulates and starts selling the stuff itself. Like it did with booze and gambling.

Ya Right.

When I was a kid a local cop carried a 38 special revolver, a nightstick and a flashlight. Now when he goes to work, he has a Glock 9mm semi automatic, Tazer and CS spray on his belt, plus a 12 gauge and a Diemaco C8 assault rifle in his car.

Yup, things have aways been this way.

[Oleg Bach]

Thank the immigration policy base in some pie in the sky utopian dream of multi-what ever...the western culture is a push over for those coming in from nations that we secularized by the process of religious corruption and hypocracy. In the old days you would say bring in Russian immigrants - old school Christian Orthodox types..back in the late 40s and early fifties. These folks assimulated well and behaved themselves because of Christian doctrine ---- NOW the secularized post soviet Russian immigrants come in - they have no God - no doctrine of goodness - and most are gangsters that will harm you for material gain - My point being is that our immigration policy is one from a by gone era ..

--- It was based on the influx of Christians - just like us - so it worked - Now the immigration policy that has forgotten it's core and roots...over looks the fact that we invite in barbarians and pagans of the most sinister modernism....and killing for profit is normal where they come from - How could we have missed that fact, that these are NOT the immigrants that our original policy was designed for --- culture or the lack of it now has to be taken into consideration before the problem becomes totally unmanagable. We have a problem - we bring in preditors to what was supposed to be a civilized and religiously indoctrinated nation.

[Wilber]

Our screwed up courts

Until these people start dealing with reality, it can only get worse but what are the chances in a system built by lawyers, for lawyers, overseen by lawyers.

[Oleg Bach]

Our screwed up courts

Until these people start dealing with reality, it can only get worse but what are the chances in a system built by lawyers, for lawyers, overseen by lawyers.

Lawyers do as instructed. If you have the influence and power and are connected and "feared" - henchmen get you results...and these older in control lawyers privately refere to their lawyers as dogs...and the joke with the old guys when one of the little ones gets caught doing their nasty bidding is this "It's not my dog" - and any tell tail droppings are ignored - If a up scale law firm wants to commit a fraud - They take one of their ambitious ammoral lawyers and send them in to do the dirty deed and break the law to win the law...THEN they give them a nice buy out package and send them off - like the classic scape goat - evidence gone! And the lawyer starts her own practice with the ill gotten lucre - This is common practice.

[bill_barilko]

The latest shootout in Vancouver was a half dozen blocks from my house, Sunday night in winter is quite quiet in the city and I could hear the gunshots clearly last night.

Note this is a very toney neighbourhood and this is the second gangster shootout in 2 years.

The police here refuse to address reality-they seem to exist in some parallel universe where handing out traffic tickets passes for dealing with gang warfare.

They hold press conferences where they announce that 'We need people to stop shooting each other'-Well Duh!

[guyser]

Until these people start dealing with reality, it can only get worse

I will assume you mean the Police .....right?

Because..."But last summer, Judge Don Gardner threw out the charges, saying the police search of their vehicles and subsequent search of the house were contrary to their charter rights. This despite the fact that police had public complaints about drug activity at the house, and surveillance saw people transferring large garbage bags to the house."

In other words, the Police had every chance to get a warrant, which would have put these men in jail for quite some time. But they didnt, if I read the report correctly. (it is a bit vague)

As for this..."They were granted bail, despite the fact that Jamie had already been sentenced to two years in jail for a marijuana grow rip." I wholeheartedly agree with you. This looks to be pitiful.

[eyeball]

In other words, the Police had every chance to get a warrant, which would have put these men in jail for quite some time. But they didnt, if I read the report correctly.

They're probably paying the cops to look the other way. Soon it'll be politicians and judges and then the gangsters will start passing out turkeys to the poor.

It's time for the government to cave to the inevitable and embrace the horror.

[Wilber]

The latest shootout in Vancouver was a half dozen blocks from my house, Sunday night in winter is quite quiet in the city and I could hear the gunshots clearly last night.

Note this is a very toney neighbourhood and this is the second gangster shootout in 2 years.

The police here refuse to address reality-they seem to exist in some parallel universe where handing out traffic tickets passes for dealing with gang warfare.

They hold press conferences where they announce that 'We need people to stop shooting each other'-Well Duh!

Did you bother to read the link I posted? Do you watch or read the news?

Right now two of the Bacon brothers are out on bail for the umpteenth time on multiple weapons offenses. Last week one of them had their car shot up in a busy intersection outside of a shopping center in broad daylight. He wasn't hurt because he was wearing a ballistic vest and riding in an armoured Mercedes. Every self respecting 20 something needs to put on a bullet proof vest to leave the house and ride around in a $200K armoured car, right? To prevent this happening again, the Abbotsford police now have surveillance cameras around the Bacons home and keep two marked cars, each with two officers to follow them should they leave their home. This can't be cheaper than keeping these two behind bars and it really tics me off that I have to pay for it out of my municipal property taxes because the courts, federal and provincial governments will not live up to their responsibilities to protect the public. If you are a Vancouver property tax payer it should piss you off to.

The other day, one of their associates was machine gunned to death right out front of a supermarket in a Langley shopping center again in broad daylight. Another gangster who was shot in the past week just finished an 18 month sentence for taking a shot at someone in a club with a handgun. 18 months for trying to kill someone with a handgun in a public place, give me a freaking break.

What do the police have to do with it? They investigate and if they can find anyone who will actually give evidence, they arrest people who the judges then turn loose on bail for several years until their trial comes up and then they get some Micky Mouse sentence if they can be convicted at all, considering the million and one ways the courts have ruled a persons Charter rights can be violated. One reason people won't come forward to give evidence is because they know the courts will turn these people loose to come after them the next day, instead of being kept off the streets as they should be. Judges say they can't incarcerate these people because there is no space in the jails. Ensuring there is space to put dangerous people away is not the job of judges, their job is to apply the law, ensuring there is space is the job of government. Perhaps the judges and politicians should concentrate doing their own jobs instead of worrying about someone else's at the expense of their own. Perhaps police should just stop trying to arrest these people citing the same reasons. Right now the only people in the system who are sticking to their own jobs instead of trying to pass the buck are the police. That is why the system is so %@*/#^ up.

[Wilber]

I will assume you mean the Police .....right?

Because..."But last summer, Judge Don Gardner threw out the charges, saying the police search of their vehicles and subsequent search of the house were contrary to their charter rights. This despite the fact that police had public complaints about drug activity at the house, and surveillance saw people transferring large garbage bags to the house."

In other words, the Police had every chance to get a warrant, which would have put these men in jail for quite some time. But they didnt, if I read the report correctly. (it is a bit vague)

As for this..."They were granted bail, despite the fact that Jamie had already been sentenced to two years in jail for a marijuana grow rip." I wholeheartedly agree with you. This looks to be pitiful.

Actually they did. If you read the report you would see that this raid was the result of surveillance, the police didn't just barge in on a complaint. If you read the results of BC court decisions, having a warrant doesn't seem to mean much to some BC trial judges even though warrants are issued by judges.

[eyeball]

This can't be cheaper than keeping these two behind bars and it really tics me off that I have to pay for it out of my municipal property taxes because the courts, federal and provincial governments will not live up to their responsibilities to protect the public. If you are a Vancouver property tax payer it should piss you off to.

So...wouldn't it make more sense for the government to deal drugs and collect taxes from drug users so they can pick up the cost of their burden to society themselves?

You're damn right tax-payers should be pissed off at endlessly throwing good money after bad.

[guyser]

Actually they did. If you read the report you would see that this raid was the result of surveillance, the police didn't just barge in on a complaint.

I read it and re-read it, no mention of a warrant. While there was surveillance, it does seem dumb that no warrant was pursued, if in fact that was the case.