Conservative Paranoia

[Wild Bill]

if it's not the media, it teachers, it's immigrants, it's leftists, it's environmentalists, animal rights activists, etc., etc.,

why, it's how their manipulated, by their own talking heads.

I suspect you are a younger person, Kuzadd. You're painting a model that someone who had been observing Canadian politics for decades would never have attempted. They would have seen too many examples of how the model didn't fit.

Reform and now the Tories threw MPs out of caucus for offending Canadian values. Liberals have only thrown MPs out for offending the party leader!

Tell it to John Nunziata!

To be fair, Garth Turner would be the exception that proves the rule. His ouster is one of the many reasons I'm not happy with the present Conservatives. I just have no other acceptable choice.

If I'm ever offered one I can respect, the Tories will choke on my dust!

[Shakeyhands]

It was the Federal Liberals that stole the money not the Provincial Liberals.

The CPC didn't steal any money at all, that isn't the issue. It is an alleged book keeping error stating that $1 million was improperly marked down. Nothing was stolen.

This is how bad information is spread.

it was the Quebec wing of the LPOC that was involved... a seperate entity unto itself.

The CPC is trying to claim rebates on moneys that aren't eligible, thats stealing. Now its a book keeping error?

This is how bad information is spread/.

[noahbody]

it was the Quebec wing of the LPOC that was involved... a seperate entity unto itself.

The funneling of money back to the Liberal Party was provincial. But if you can't remember the federal aspect and the giving away of $100 million for little or no work, your memory could use some work.

[kuzadd]

I suspect you are a younger person, Kuzadd. You're painting a model that someone who had been observing Canadian politics for decades would never have attempted. They would have seen too many examples of how the model didn't fit.

Reform and now the Tories threw MPs out of caucus for offending Canadian values. Liberals have only thrown MPs out for offending the party leader!

Tell it to John Nunziata!

To be fair, Garth Turner would be the exception that proves the rule. His ouster is one of the many reasons I'm not happy with the present Conservatives. I just have no other acceptable choice.

If I'm ever offered one I can respect, the Tories will choke on my dust!

hello wild bill. When I refer to talking heads, I am not necessarily limiting myself to political leaders, though they do qualify.

here's a definition:

talking head:

can also refer to a person or persons (talking heads), whether on TV or elsewhere, who are given to excessive talking with little underlying thought or meaning.

therefore when I say, those who associate themselves with the right, are manipulated by their talking heads, that is what I mean.

Those talking heads comdemn everyone, from immigrants bad , unemployed lazy , liberals, teachers, etc., and for no realistic or rational reason.

By using this simplistic rhetoric the talking heads free up anyone from actually thinking realistically about any given situation.

[BubberMiley]

There isn't. You and the other far lefties simply make things up.

Honesty rarely survives the kind of ideological blindness the dedicated Left require to keep their shaky hold on sanity.

Has anyone else noticed that Jdobbin I got new talking points from the party in his my latest package?

Every single post of his mine refers to the "right left wing". I know the Liberals Conservatives are worried about the NDP Liberals making inroads on the Left Right. Maybe these new talking points are part of their response.

Debate amongst yourself.

[Argus]

it was the Quebec wing of the LPOC that was involved... a seperate entity unto itself.

Which has been running the LPC for forty years, and continues to do so. Chretien's Quebec lieutenant during this time was one Stephan Dion.

[Argus]

Debate amongst yourself.

I'd be a lot more likely to get an intelligent response than debating with you.

[Qwerty]

it was the Quebec wing of the LPOC that was involved... a seperate entity unto itself.

The CPC is trying to claim rebates on moneys that aren't eligible, thats stealing. Now its a book keeping error?

This is how bad information is spread/.

It was a clerical error I'm sure, very minor. The CPC has thousands upon thousands of donations to account for. They are still human beings at the end of the day, mistakes happen.

The CPC is in the middle of a huge lawsuit against Elections Canada, where you aware of that?

Perhaps they have an axe to grind with the CPC, hrmmm?

Which has been running the LPC for forty years, and continues to do so. Chretien's Quebec lieutenant during this time was one Stephan Dion.

Zing....that had to hurt....nice one Argus.

Edited April 18, 2008 by Qwerty

[Shakeyhands]

Which has been running the LPC for forty years, and continues to do so. Chretien's Quebec lieutenant during this time was one Stephan Dion.

And thats why Gomery suggested that all of them should be hung... oh wait a minute....

[Wild Bill]

hello wild bill. When I refer to talking heads, I am not necessarily limiting myself to political leaders, though they do qualify.

here's a definition:

talking head:

can also refer to a person or persons (talking heads), whether on TV or elsewhere, who are given to excessive talking with little underlying thought or meaning.

therefore when I say, those who associate themselves with the right, are manipulated by their talking heads, that is what I mean.

Those talking heads comdemn everyone, from immigrants bad , unemployed lazy , liberals, teachers, etc., and for no realistic or rational reason.

By using this simplistic rhetoric the talking heads free up anyone from actually thinking realistically about any given situation.

You seem to imply that this is a fault found only on the right. That is what I meant when I said I thought you had to be younger for having less time to observe. By any chance did you live in Ontario during Bob Rae's administration?

I have come to believe that people of all political stripes can have this fault. Still, what I have seen over the years has led me to believe that percentages favour the LEFT! I rarely hear suggestions from the Left about the materials and methods to be used to build a safe bridge. Usually I just hear demands about the colour of paint and how it suits the decor of the nearby community.

The Left in Canada doesn't seem to attract people from practical disciplines, like maths, hard sciences (NOT botanists like Suzuki!) or technology. These are people trained in "cause and effect". Rather, they are heavy on academics and people from the arts.

A well-balanced society needs all kinds of people but following the wrong sort in an inappropriate situation can get you in a heap of trouble.

[BubberMiley]

I'd be a lot more likely to get an intelligent response than debating with you.

That's funny. I was going to add at the end of that post "Cue personal attack," but then I thought that would discourage you from doing so. Then I wouldn't be able to continue to have fun exposing how you, yourself, represent what you hate most about this site.

Bullshit. Jdobbin is I am the worst party partisan on this site, probably the worst this site has ever had or ever will have. He's I am so utterly predictable I could write his my posts beforehand on almost any issue.

[eyeball]

Conservative Paranoia, Is it Real or Imagined?

Its real paranoia alright.

[Wild Bill]

Its real paranoia alright.

Old joke:

Doctor says to patient: "I have good news and bad news. The good news is that you are NOT paranoid! The bad news is that there IS someone after you!"

[Qwerty]

hello wild bill. When I refer to talking heads, I am not necessarily limiting myself to political leaders, though they do qualify.

here's a definition:

talking head:

can also refer to a person or persons (talking heads), whether on TV or elsewhere, who are given to excessive talking with little underlying thought or meaning.

therefore when I say, those who associate themselves with the right, are manipulated by their talking heads, that is what I mean.

Those talking heads comdemn everyone, from immigrants bad , unemployed lazy , liberals, teachers, etc., and for no realistic or rational reason.

By using this simplistic rhetoric the talking heads free up anyone from actually thinking realistically about any given situation.

Kuzadd again....hehe alright.

All political parties exhort an amount of control over their members, that is a sign of good leadership and the amount of respect them members have for their party.

In order to be a "talking head" as you say they would have to be someone close to the political power of this country to therefore be given "excessive talking"(nice English btw).

By your definition Everyone includes only "immigrants bad , unemployed lazy , liberals, teachers". No one else exists.

I would like for you to cite me a reference please where a person on the right who has influence has been condemning "everyone".

I would also add that the left gets a lot more of the TV time and therefore has much more time to spew rhetoric then the right would as we have a left leaning media in this country. The left elite in this country have their own television programs in prime time.

By your definition it would seem that only the right is inflicted with this condition and that the left is impervious, absurd.

Edited April 19, 2008 by Qwerty

[fellowtraveller]

I don't know who Ward Churchill is but he's welcome to have a slot on Fox News once we have a Canadian equivalent of Fox News.

We do have an equivalent of Faux News, but coming at it from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

We call it the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

Of course, unlike Faux News, it is supported by public money.

If you have any shred of doubt where the corporate bias of CBC lives, simply listen objectively to shows like The Current, Q, Michael Enright, Cross Country Checkup or others. They make no apology for their relentless presentation of one viewpoint, and one only. The Current in particular leads off pretty much every show with an attack on Harper.

Actually, I do not mind that they are biased and proud of it. That clique is solidly in control at the CBC and cannot be ousted. What I resent is one cent of my money going to support it.

[sharkman]

We do have an equivalent of Faux News, but coming at it from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

We call it the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

Of course, unlike Faux News, it is supported by public money.

If you have any shred of doubt where the corporate bias of CBC lives, simply listen objectively to shows like The Current, Q, Michael Enright, Cross Country Checkup or others. They make no apology for their relentless presentation of one viewpoint, and one only. The Current in particular leads off pretty much every show with an attack on Harper.

Actually, I do not mind that they are biased and proud of it. That clique is solidly in control at the CBC and cannot be ousted. What I resent is one cent of my money going to support it.

And Wild Bill:

This is what conservatives are fighting. There's no real organized media conspiracy. It's just that the players in the media all seem to have come from the same schools like Ryerson or Queens and share the same views and culture. To make an old FireSign Theater quote: "When I grow up I'm gonna find a bunch of guys that dress alike and follow them around!"

It's a lack of fair perspective and the practice of what's called "situational ethics", where the situation can be used to excuse a faux pas by "your guy" and to hang an opponent for the very same thing. When Reform found a racist MP in their ranks they threw him out. One election they discovered one at the last minute and chose to run NO candidate in that riding because of lack of time rather than allow him to represent their party. The Liberals had similar situations and would never have dreamt of tossing their candidate out!

Meanwhile Liberal MP Hedy Fry could accuse an entire BC town of being "cross burning racists" and no one at the CBC batted an eye.

These two comments best represent why conservatives perceive a bias against them in Canada. The left simply can not see the bias since they are blind to it being biased the same way. A thread titled conservative paranoia by a lefty only proves this.

[Leafless]

And thats why Gomery suggested that all of them should be hung

Big talk, from a Liberal judge puppy.

[eyeball]

The left simply can not see the bias since they are blind to it being biased the same way.

This statement suggests that a neurological basis for right and left thinking exists, as does the right's near constant fearful references to a left-dominated...fill-in-blank-here world.

So, are we supposed to believe that only the left is rendered blind by its biases and only the right is immune to such things? I think not.

In any case, I don't trust the media to monitor the government and honestly report what it finds anymore than I trust the politicians to rein in their biases. This is why I'd rather monitor the highest echelons of government with cameras and micro-phones that are connected to an Internet-based souveillance software that I can access from my keyboard.

I think total public awareness would do wonders to defuse what are mostly superficial divisions between the right and left. A real and widening divide of far greater import exists between the governed and the government. Souveillance would do a lot to help fill-in that gap.

[Who's Doing What?]

OK, I picked up some industrial grade tinfoil. Anyone knows Harper's hat size?

[eyeball]

What, you don't think the PMO has enough shielding around it?

[Who's Doing What?]

What, you don't think the PMO has enough shielding around it?

We've gotta protect him from the micro waves that are reading his mind. I think they are being sent from the spaceship that is here to pick up the scientologists.

[eyeball]

I think you may require medical attention.

[sharkman]

This statement suggests that a neurological basis for right and left thinking exists, as does the right's near constant fearful references to a left-dominated...fill-in-blank-here world.

So, are we supposed to believe that only the left is rendered blind by its biases and only the right is immune to such things? I think not.

No, we are not supposed to think only the left is rendered blind, and that the right has a blind spot too is not the point. The point is in Canada, the members of the various kinds of media have a strong bias towards the left of the political spectrum.

How in the world does the statement you quote suggest a neurological basis? All it is saying is if you have a certain bias, and the bias of the news story you are reading is the same, you are not as likely to notice it. This is not rocket science.

[eyeball]

No, we are not supposed to think only the left is rendered blind, and that the right has a blind spot too is not the point. The point is in Canada, the members of the various kinds of media have a strong bias towards the left of the political spectrum.

Why though? Because they all went to Ryerson or Queens or because they work in the media? Perhaps you should be shutting down Ryerson and Queens. It could be these people have been compromised long before the media's worms have eaten their brains.

In the meantime I'd be fascinated to hear more about the right's blind spot...please elaborate. You are the very first right-winger I have never encountered who indicated there might be something flawed with the right-wing worldview.

[Wild Bill]

No, we are not supposed to think only the left is rendered blind, and that the right has a blind spot too is not the point. The point is in Canada, the members of the various kinds of media have a strong bias towards the left of the political spectrum.

How in the world does the statement you quote suggest a neurological basis? All it is saying is if you have a certain bias, and the bias of the news story you are reading is the same, you are not as likely to notice it. This is not rocket science.

Well, I for one am starting to suspect that there may indeed be neurological differences! I've read that if a child is not taught to think in terms of scientific method before the age of 8 or 9 he likely will never be able to do so later in life. Logical thinking and scientific reasoning is not natural to human beings. Intuitive thinking seems to be the way we are wired. This serves us well in simplistic situations but is often lacking with the complicated problems of today's world.

Perhaps others can chime in with their own experience but I've found over the years of my life that "lefties" rarely are good at math or hard sciences! Disciplines that are based on "cause and effect" tend to be rather sparse of red Liberals or NDP types. Intuitive based thinkers act as if science is simply magic. If you've decided that a substance should be banned "just in case" it's harmful to the environment, even if the evidence is weak and the cost of looking for a replacement horrendous, you take it for granted that a replacement is simply a matter of throwing money at the scientists or engineers. The idea that perhaps there IS NO replacement is something incomprehensible to such thinkers. After all, magic can do anything.

I'm saying that Jack Layton and Olivia Chow dropped science when their bean seeds failed to sprout in those jars full of tissue paper!

It's telling that the major scientist spokesman for the meteorological factors behind the so-called global warming effect is not a physicist but a botanist, namely Mr. Suzuki! Or that most of the protesters marching in parades to save the planet are poli-sci majors and not engineers.

I'm not passing value judgements here. We need all kinds of people in a balanced society. It just seems that in some areas we're letting blind folks dictate the colour scheme. We listen to people and confuse their being articulate with knowing what they're talking about.

I find it interesting that a society like Japan has such strong traits of science and engineering. The entire society not only accepts but delights in new gadgets and technology. Witness their fascination with robots. Japanese parents seem to prefer sending their children to engineering school, rather than accounting or law. How strong does the Left appear in Japanese society?

I don't know if the the difference is a result of hard wiring or environmental factors, but I'm convinced that there is a dramatic difference in how "left" and "right" folks think.

Now if this doesn't start a flame...