Conservative Paranoia

[Shakeyhands]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great perceived conspiracy against Conservatives according to them? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

Edited April 18, 2008 by Shakeyhands

[BubberMiley]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great conspiracy against Conservatives? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

Because everybody hates them.

[jbg]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great perceived conspiracy against Conservatives according to them? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

Because the two groups you mentioned, even in my country, invariably side with the Democrats against the Republicans.

Just because someone is paranoid (and I'm not saying anyone is) doesn't mean everyone isn't against them.

[Leafless]

Just because someone is paranoid (and I'm not saying anyone is) doesn't mean everyone isn't against them.

This is only Shakeyhand's method of stirring the pot, in typical Liberal fashion.

Truth is, Liberals are dogs.

[August1991]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great perceived conspiracy against Conservatives according to them? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

Not long ago it seems, I kept hearing about a hidden neo-con agenda.

I'll believe that the media is "balanced" when Mark Steyn is invited to host a regular programme on the CBC.

[Shakeyhands]

I'm asking a very serious question....

[BubberMiley]

I agree with Leafless. What's with the attempt at discussion?

Edited April 18, 2008 by BubberMiley

[BubberMiley]

I'll believe that the media is "balanced" when Mark Steyn is invited to host a regular programme on the CBC.

Or when Ward Churchill has a show on Fox.

[BubberMiley]

Not long ago it seems, I kept hearing about a hidden neo-con agenda.

You only stopped hearing about it because its leadership was discredited by humiliating errors of judgment.

[Shakeyhands]

I agree with Leafless. What's with the attempt at discussion?

Why conservative supporters resort to claiming bias on all matters negative to their chosen party, be it the Republican Party or the CPC. Why they think the world is against them.

[jbg]

Why conservative supporters resort to claiming bias on all matters negative to their chosen party, be it the Republican Party or the CPC. Why they think the world is against them.

I gave you a serious response above which you chose not to address.

[August1991]

Why conservative supporters resort to claiming bias on all matters negative to their chosen party, be it the Republican Party or the CPC. Why they think the world is against them.

I recall a certain presidential candidate referring once to a "vast right wing conspiracy". The NDP regularly refers to the "corporate media".

Curiously, it is rare to hear Liberals complain of media bias except may be to suggest that the CBC has its heart in the right place but they are unrealistic.

Or when Ward Churchill has a show on Fox.

I don't know who Ward Churchill is but he's welcome to have a slot on Fox News once we have a Canadian equivalent of Fox News.

[Who's Doing What?]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great perceived conspiracy against Conservatives according to them? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

Typical schoolyard bully behaviour imo.

After the threats and intimidation stop working they try get people to feel sorry for them by pointing out how everyone is against them and that they have no friends.

[WarBicycle]

I've voted Liberal in every federal election since I was first allow to vote as an underage serviceman in 1966, but intend voting Conservative in the next election because the Liberal Party of Canada is becoming too much like the NDP. The mainstream media in both Canada and the U.S. is biased towards the Left; there has not been honest reporting in either country for nearly forty years. This probably accounts for why readership and listening polls have shown a deep decline in their audiences. On the positive side is the fact that voters between the ages of eighteen and thirty in both countries are more conservative than their parents. This, combined with the older vote, should keep the Conservative in power for at least ten years. The Liberals threw away the opportunity of electing a moderate right-of-centre leader thanks to Gerard Kennedy and Bob Rae and will pay the price in the next election. Stéphane Dion is, at best, a mediocre leader.

Edited April 18, 2008 by WarBicycle

[Shakeyhands]

I gave you a serious response above which you chose not to address.

I saw your response, thanks for posting it.

[Shakeyhands]

I recall a certain presidential candidate referring once to a "vast right wing conspiracy". The NDP regularly refers to the "corporate media".

Curiously, it is rare to hear Liberals complain of media bias except may be to suggest that the CBC has its heart in the right place but they are unrealistic.

I don't know who Ward Churchill is but he's welcome to have a slot on Fox News once we have a Canadian equivalent of Fox News.

I'll agree that musings of such have come form the left, and I can't say that I the NDP are necessarily wrong woith their assesment. It's much more widespread amongst the right though, particularily in the last 10ish years I would think. It's a ploy I think.

Ward Churchill was that professor from I believe Colorado who wrote a paper that contained the idea that those killed in the WTC on 9/11 bore some responsibility for their own deaths.

[Qwerty]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great perceived conspiracy against Conservatives according to them? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

When the Adscam claims came out the Liberals said that it was a smear tactic by the CPC. Same difference except the CPC didn't steal millions of tax payer dollars.

EC seems to think that there is a problem with the CPC's books about how they spent some of their advertising money or how they accounted for it.

It's just party politics, nothing more. Everyone does it, that's how they play the game.

[Wild Bill]

I saw your response, thanks for posting it.

I'll give you a "fer instance" that might illustrate the problem. Years ago when Reform was growing it seemed that every news spot on CBC NW was negative about Reform. Especially about how Reform was so "white bread", being made up of "old white guys". Now, any camera pan across the House would make it obvious that this was total BS. The number of visible minority faces sitting as Reform MPs was much greater than that of any other party, ESPECIALLY the Liberals! Didn't matter.

Anyhow, one night I happened to tune across some sweet young female talking head on NW interviewing Preston Manning. All her questions were not so much slanted as simply coming from some grievous and naive assumptions. She was asking Preston about the "white bread" aspect of Reform and just couldn't seem to believe him when he pointed out how Reform had so many more visible minority MPs. Finally she blurted out "Well, just HOW MANY visible minorities do you have in your party?"

Preston smiled and said sweetly "We don't really know offhand. We don't believe in counting them!"

She was obviously stunned! She stammered something and just moved on.

This is what conservatives are fighting. There's no real organized media conspiracy. It's just that the players in the media all seem to have come from the same schools like Ryerson or Queens and share the same views and culture. To make an old FireSign Theater quote: "When I grow up I'm gonna find a bunch of guys that dress alike and follow them around!"

It's a lack of fair perspective and the practice of what's called "situational ethics", where the situation can be used to excuse a faux pas by "your guy" and to hang an opponent for the very same thing. When Reform found a racist MP in their ranks they threw him out. One election they discovered one at the last minute and chose to run NO candidate in that riding because of lack of time rather than allow him to represent their party. The Liberals had similar situations and would never have dreamt of tossing their candidate out!

Meanwhile Liberal MP Hedy Fry could accuse an entire BC town of being "cross burning racists" and no one at the CBC batted an eye.

[Qwerty]

I'll give you a "fer instance" that might illustrate the problem. Years ago when Reform was growing it seemed that every news spot on CBC NW was negative about Reform. Especially about how Reform was so "white bread", being made up of "old white guys". Now, any camera pan across the House would make it obvious that this was total BS. The number of visible minority faces sitting as Reform MPs was much greater than that of any other party, ESPECIALLY the Liberals! Didn't matter.

Anyhow, one night I happened to tune across some sweet young female talking head on NW interviewing Preston Manning. All her questions were not so much slanted as simply coming from some grievous and naive assumptions. She was asking Preston about the "white bread" aspect of Reform and just couldn't seem to believe him when he pointed out how Reform had so many more visible minority MPs. Finally she blurted out "Well, just HOW MANY visible minorities do you have in your party?"

Preston smiled and said sweetly "We don't really know offhand. We don't believe in counting them!"

She was obviously stunned! She stammered something and just moved on.

This is what conservatives are fighting. There's no real organized media conspiracy. It's just that the players in the media all seem to have come from the same schools like Ryerson or Queens and share the same views and culture. To make an old FireSign Theater quote: "When I grow up I'm gonna find a bunch of guys that dress alike and follow them around!"

It's a lack of fair perspective and the practice of what's called "situational ethics", where the situation can be used to excuse a faux pas by "your guy" and to hang an opponent for the very same thing. When Reform found a racist MP in their ranks they threw him out. One election they discovered one at the last minute and chose to run NO candidate in that riding because of lack of time rather than allow him to represent their party. The Liberals had similar situations and would never have dreamt of tossing their candidate out!

Meanwhile Liberal MP Hedy Fry could accuse an entire BC town of being "cross burning racists" and no one at the CBC batted an eye.

I liked your post WB.

Nice retort by Preston...lol.

Everything the CPC does is under a microscope by the media but you're right they allow the Liberals a lot more leeway. Except when Adscam was the hot issue then every media outlet was killing them, it was great.

The CBC won't even allow certain conservative personalities on their debate panels...outrageous as we pay for this network with tax dollars.

[Topaz]

When the Adscam claims came out the Liberals said that it was a smear tactic by the CPC. Same difference except the CPC didn't steal millions of tax payer dollars.

EC seems to think that there is a problem with the CPC's books about how they spent some of their advertising money or how they accounted for it.

It's just party politics, nothing more. Everyone does it, that's how they play the game.

What will you say if it turns out the Cons are in the wrong? The other parties were checked out by Elections Canada and they are ok but the Cons are questionable. This is even worse for the Cons because Harper kept harping HE was going to be different and look at the scandals that have popped up in the last 6 months. Power does something to people and its mostly bad things. I've watched Cpac and every time one of the parties accuse the government of going something wrong its always, you're wrong we are always right attitude! Yes, the Quebec Libs stole from Canadians but those people are gone and newly elected people are now in, the difference is Harper and his gang are the ones doing the scamming now.

[Qwerty]

What will you say if it turns out the Cons are in the wrong? The other parties were checked out by Elections Canada and they are ok but the Cons are questionable. This is even worse for the Cons because Harper kept harping HE was going to be different and look at the scandals that have popped up in the last 6 months. Power does something to people and its mostly bad things. I've watched Cpac and every time one of the parties accuse the government of going something wrong its always, you're wrong we are always right attitude! Yes, the Quebec Libs stole from Canadians but those people are gone and newly elected people are now in, the difference is Harper and his gang are the ones doing the scamming now.

It was the Federal Liberals that stole the money not the Provincial Liberals.

The CPC didn't steal any money at all, that isn't the issue. It is an alleged book keeping error stating that $1 million was improperly marked down. Nothing was stolen.

This is how bad information is spread.

[jbg]

I don't know who Ward Churchill is but he's welcome to have a slot on Fox News once we have a Canadian equivalent of Fox News.

Ward Churchill is the Colorado professor (of FN extraction) who called the 911 victims "Little Eichmanns".

[Argus]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great perceived conspiracy against Conservatives according to them? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

There isn't. You and the other far lefties simply make things up.

Honesty rarely survives the kind of ideological blindness the dedicated Left require to keep their shaky hold on sanity.

[jdobbin]

There isn't. You and the other far lefties simply make things up.

Really? The left made up a claim that the Elections Canada raid was done to steal the Tory election platform and pass it on to the Liberal party?

Edited April 18, 2008 by jdobbin

[kuzadd]

Ok, Serious question here. Why is it that there is always some great perceived conspiracy against Conservatives according to them? If its not Media, its teachers or whoever the target of the day is? WHY?

if it's not the media, it teachers, it's immigrants, it's leftists, it's environmentalists, animal rights activists, etc., etc.,

why, it's how their manipulated, by their own talking heads.