Spitzer descendant....

[Wilber]

I don't feel pity for his wife. His wife, also a Harvard Law grad, picked a life in the fast lane, and wanted the glory and money that went with it.

Does that mean you think SHEhaditComing?

[White Doors]

Does that mean you think SHEhaditComing?

lol

[UShaditComing]

That comment is utterly offensive both for your cheap shot at his wife and your cheap shot at my country.

jbg, it really is not, it's only asking the question or contemplating the possibility. You should have seen Dr. Laura on Hannity/Colmes because she blames the woman usually when a man goes to a prostiture. Don't overreact to this thing just because you have been sitting ack stewing over other issues. It's especially telling that you mentioned your country and that's what gave away your feigned indignance. I would have expected better of you. Andyou're a lawyer too!

[M.Dancer]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to know.

We rarely know what we don't know...

[HisSelf]

I read a few pages of this thread. Where did it go? Good golly.

I still think it's time to legalize prostitution. It is a victimless crime. Yes, there is the white slave trade, but we have other ways to deal with that. If a beautiful girl voluntarily gives up her time to make men pay for the pleasure of having her company, why would the opinion of some religious right toad be more important? After all, the toad is only talking about somebody else's business...

[UShaditComing]

I read a few pages of this thread. Where did it go? Good golly.

I still think it's time to legalize prostitution. It is a victimless crime. Yes, there is the white slave trade, but we have other ways to deal with that. If a beautiful girl voluntarily gives up her time to make men pay for the pleasure of having her company, why would the opinion of some religious right toad be more important? After all, the toad is only talking about somebody else's business...

Because the religious right think they have the right to tell people what to do?

[Shady]

Because the religious right think they have the right to tell people what to do?

Off topic.

[Argus]

I'm a little conflicted in all this. One, it's clear that Spitzer was a hypocrite on prostitution. And maybe it's ironic that he was tripped up using the same over-the-top tactics as he used on wall-street crooks.

But the fact remains he really didn't hurt anyone or steal anything. What is the FBI doing using so many resources on a high-class call girl ring? How much did this investigation cost? According to court records they intercepted 5000 phone calls and 6000 emails. How many man hours were involved in it all to catch one guy who paid for a high class call girl to service him? Does anyone seriously think this was not a political hit by someone? I mean, who were these people hurting that the FBI had to pursue them so zealously? What, there were no serial sex killer investigations going on which couldn't benefit from a boost to manpower?

[guyser]

I'm a little conflicted in all this. One, it's clear that Spitzer was a hypocrite on prostitution. And maybe it's ironic that he was tripped up using the same over-the-top tactics as he used on wall-street crooks.

But the fact remains he really didn't hurt anyone or steal anything. What is the FBI doing using so many resources on a high-class call girl ring? How much did this investigation cost? According to court records they intercepted 5000 phone calls and 6000 emails. How many man hours were involved in it all to catch one guy who paid for a high class call girl to service him? Does anyone seriously think this was not a political hit by someone? I mean, who were these people hurting that the FBI had to pursue them so zealously? What, there were no serial sex killer investigations going on which couldn't benefit from a boost to manpower?

On the surface, no arguement.

From what I have read, Spitzer dealt with a very strong hand, cruel mean and all that. So that was his MO to bring down others.

He spearheaded the law that put in place the program that caught him. He PO'd so many people that he could never be well liked.

Perhaps his constant use of a hammer to swat a fly played into it?

Put all that in a jar in front of the FBI and it doesnt take long to for one to say...."oh looky what I have hear" . Maybe a jr FBI guy trying to make his mark in the ranks. Who knows?

The one thing I cant get past is the who has he hurt? Well, his wife and family for one. It may, ok it is, be his private business , but (if reports were true) his lack of use of a condom on a hooker certainly puts his wife in jeopardy...assuming they are still getting funky on a Saturday night.

All that aside, who better to bring him down?

Lets assume he wasnt brought down. Lets also assume ( but it is rather easy to believe) that to some degree nefarious characters are in play in these prostitute rings . Now if one of these shady characters finds out that the Gov of the great state of New York is using his women , that gives that person one hell of a get out of jail card for the future.

So, in essence , he was a liability to the people of NY in sofar as he was ripe for blackmail and thus miscarriage of justice.

That said, in a puritanical society like the US , had the fact been known he liked call girls , then it would not be an issue except for his wife/family/electorate. He could not be blackmailed for it since everyone knew.

Kind of like France where no one really gives to poops whos doing who. Cant lean on a guy for favours when the whole world knows you like young women...kind of like Sarcozy (sp?)

[kengs333]

That said, in a puritanical society like the US , had the fact been known he liked call girls , then it would not be an issue except for his wife/family/electorate. He could not be blackmailed for it since everyone knew.

The U.S. is a "puritanical society"???? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

His downfall has nothing to do with American society being "puritanical". LOL

[guyser]

The U.S. is a "puritanical society"???? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Why yes, yes it is

His downfall has nothing to do with American society being "puritanical". LOL

Never said it was.

Laughing at yourself now? Who knew?

[kengs333]

Why yes, yes it is

I guess that's why the call-girl's popularity is on the rise, eh? LOL

[guyser]

I guess that's why the call-girl's popularity is on the rise, eh? LOL

Oh oh ya gots me.....ONE call girls popularity rises and whoosh...out goes the puritan ethic.

Wonderful logic.

Lets try it this way....one pedophile priest and all christianity is the craps. Now where is that laughing icon?

[kengs333]

Lets try it this way....one pedophile priest and all christianity is the craps. Now where is that laughing icon?

Isn't that basically the logic that you and other anti-Christians here have been using? So in other words you're simply being a hypocrite. Go figure. LOL.

There is probably an insignificant fraction of American society that can truly be considered "puritanical". There may be a certain group that could be considered "conservative" when it comes to sexuality, the majority could probably be considered liberal. America's "puritanical society" ended long ago, only the myth survives--thanks to people like you... LOL.

[White Doors]

So anyways, everyone see pictures of her?

She is SMOKIN!

[margrace]

Is this the way Canadians think about Mrs Spitzer?

Comment: husband, She looks like a hard old ****, who would want to live with her?

Wife, she looks like she has been crying for days.

CTV commentaries, why does she put herself in such a horrible position?

Second commentary, you don't know what she is going through.

Both commentaries by women.

[AngusThermopyle]

Could you be a little more precise in what you are saying Margrace? I think I get the gist of your meaning but it could be a little clearer.

[guyser]

Isn't that basically the logic that you and other anti-Christians here have been using? So in other words you're simply being a hypocrite. Go figure. LOL.

Not quite, but I know you believe it.

There is probably an insignificant fraction of American society that can truly be considered "puritanical". There may be a certain group that could be considered "conservative" when it comes to sexuality, the majority could probably be considered liberal. America's "puritanical society" ended long ago, only the myth survives--thanks to people like you... LOL.

Insignificant?

The south, mid-west,upper reaches of NE,the prarie states...

Thats hardly insignificant .

[Argus]

The U.S. is a "puritanical society"???? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

His downfall has nothing to do with American society being "puritanical". LOL

On the contrary. I cannot imagine a government agency in Japan or France - or anywhere in Europe, in fact, putting this much effort to triumphantly arrest a senior government official for consorting with a hooker. Again - five thousand phone calls intercepted!!! Are you kidding me!?

It certainly wouldn't happen in the third world either. It's hard to imagine it happening anywhere else, in fact. The only countries more puritanical than the US are the muslims and none are democratic enough to allow for senior government officials to be punished for anything. Rich Saudis are notorious for consorting with strippers and call girls, for example, on their trips to Europe. And they certainly "order in" often enough, from what I've read.

[jbg]

Does that mean you think SHEhaditComing?

CTV commentaries, why does she put herself in such a horrible position?

Second commentary, you don't know what she is going through.

All kidding aside, possibly. A little self-disclosure coming.

In my days as a high-school, college and law student, I was never at the top of any popularity lists. My family certainly was not wealthy, though we weren't poor.

Certain of my peers always had all of the women all over them. Typically, they had a combination of wealth and a certain amount of "fast-lane" charisma. In other words, they were wealthier and more exciting than I was, in more ways than one.

I believe that Silda saw a "good thing" in Eliot in his families' wealth and his hard-charging, dashing, Trudeau-esque charisma. Just as one runs risks by driving 140 in the left lane of the 401 at rush hour, fast-lane lifestyle types often crash and burn. Just ask Conrad Black, Michael Milken and now, the people running Bear Stearns in the US (major investment bank bailed out today by the Fed). I wonder how theri bonuses will look this year.

Edited March 15, 2008 by jbg

[jbg]

I would have expected better of you. Andyou're a lawyer too!

As you can see from my post one above, I have my own agenda with the Silda Wall Spitzer types. But speculating that she indulges in sexual perversion, and calling my country the "land of the gun" is a bit over the top. Remember, Americans, even left-wing Jews like me, are a patriotic lot.

[jbg]

I'm a little conflicted in all this. One, it's clear that Spitzer was a hypocrite on prostitution. And maybe it's ironic that he was tripped up using the same over-the-top tactics as he used on wall-street crooks.

But the fact remains he really didn't hurt anyone or steal anything. What is the FBI doing using so many resources on a high-class call girl ring? How much did this investigation cost? According to court records they intercepted 5000 phone calls and 6000 emails. How many man hours were involved in it all to catch one guy who paid for a high class call girl to service him? Does anyone seriously think this was not a political hit by someone? I mean, who were these people hurting that the FBI had to pursue them so zealously? What, there were no serial sex killer investigations going on which couldn't benefit from a boost to manpower?

Currency abuses are high on the list these days, for obvious reasons.

[jbg]

From what I have read, Spitzer dealt with a very strong hand, cruel mean and all that. So that was his MO to bring down others. He spearheaded the law that put in place the program that caught him. He PO'd so many people that he could never be well liked. Perhaps his constant use of a hammer to swat a fly played into it?

To quote Jimmy Cliff, "The Harder They Come, the Harder They Fall (one and all)".

The one thing I cant get past is the who has he hurt? Well, his wife and family for one. It may, ok it is, be his private business , but (if reports were true) his lack of use of a condom on a hooker certainly puts his wife in jeopardy...assuming they are still getting funky on a Saturday night.All that aside, who better to bring him down?

The ones who are hurt are the general polity, who lose confidence that the same law that applies to them applies to people with power and influenc.

Lets assume he wasnt brought down. Lets also assume ( but it is rather easy to believe) that to some degree nefarious characters are in play in these prostitute rings . Now if one of these shady characters finds out that the Gov of the great state of New York is using his women , that gives that person one hell of a get out of jail card for the future.

So, in essence , he was a liability to the people of NY in sofar as he was ripe for blackmail and thus miscarriage of justice.

Very thoughtful comment which I totally agree with.

That said, in a puritanical society like the US , had the fact been known he liked call girls , then it would not be an issue except for his wife/family/electorate. He could not be blackmailed for it since everyone knew.

It is true that the society that has the strongest wall between church and state is also the world's most religious non-theocracy. It's just the way we are built. Spitzer, being Jewish,a nd the beneficiary of the US's beneficent breed of piety, should know better than anyone.

Kind of like France where no one really gives to poops whos doing who. Cant lean on a guy for favours when the whole world knows you like young women...kind of like Sarcozy (sp?)

Sarkozy. But not bad. The truth is that the US, on balance, will go down as a greater country for that and many other reasons. As Canadian Gordon Sinclair put it, "You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at." (link). We let our scandals hang out and we're a better country for it.

[AngusThermopyle]

We let our scandals hang out and we're a better country for it.

Agreed 100%, I think it would benefit Canada to do the same.

[August1991]

On the contrary. I cannot imagine a government agency in Japan or France - or anywhere in Europe, in fact, putting this much effort to triumphantly arrest a senior government official for consorting with a hooker. Again - five thousand phone calls intercepted!!! Are you kidding me!?

It certainly wouldn't happen in the third world either. It's hard to imagine it happening anywhere else, in fact. The only countries more puritanical than the US are the muslims and none are democratic enough to allow for senior government officials to be punished for anything. Rich Saudis are notorious for consorting with strippers and call girls, for example, on their trips to Europe. And they certainly "order in" often enough, from what I've read.

Argus, one reason I come to this forum is to read posts such as yours. Nowhere else have I read or heard this. Yet, in the back of my mind, I too have wondered about how many hours of taped conversations are involved.

[bTW, I have read about this elsewhere. On left wing conspiracy sites, they blame Bush Jnr. In their view, as a Republican, Bush Jnr ordered the surveillance of a NY Democrat.]

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I think the State should check people before boarding an airplane. I have no problem with a policeman checking the contents of a car. I object to police listening to telephone conversations or receiving records of bank transactions.

At heart Argus, you have struck one simple point: Where to draw the line? Where do we draw the line in general for ordinary citizens? And where do we draw the line for public officials?

When should the public have the right to see what any private individual is doing? When should the public know what its political representatives are doing?

Edited March 15, 2008 by August1991