Argus Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 Currency abuses are high on the list these days, for obvious reasons. But he wasn't involved in any currency abuse. And the entire net of laws around the transferring of currency is to try and keep an eye on terrorists and the mafiosos. Who the hell cares about a guy hiding his sexual games from journalists and his wife? How is it the state's business what Spitzer does with his money if it's not harming anyone? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 At heart Argus, you have struck one simple point: Where to draw the line? Where do we draw the line in general for ordinary citizens? And where do we draw the line for public officials?When should the public have the right to see what any private individual is doing? When should the public know what its political representatives are doing? I am with those who say that if the state needed this kind of banking surveillance to keep an eye out for terrorists and organized crime bosses then fine - but the moment they realized that this didn't involve terrorism or bribery or corruption on Spitzer's part they should have dropped it. Technically, you are supposed to report income even from illegal sources. Is it not true that Revenue Canada does not then report this to the police? Even if you admit your money is the proceeds of illegal behaviour? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 The ones who are hurt are the general polity, who lose confidence that the same law that applies to them applies to people with power and influenc. Oh please. It's a nice egalitarian idea but no one really believes that. You generally get whatever consideration in law you can afford to pay for. Spitzer made powerful enemies, and I have little doubt that is what is behind this. Whenever someone rich goes down it's usually because they ran afoul of some other powerful person or group's agenda. NOT because they were being held to the same standards as Joe Lunchbox. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 But he wasn't involved in any currency abuse. And the entire net of laws around the transferring of currency is to try and keep an eye on terrorists and the mafiosos. Who the hell cares about a guy hiding his sexual games from journalists and his wife? How is it the state's business what Spitzer does with his money if it's not harming anyone?Because the banks are to report any suspicious movements, and then the matter takes on a life of its own. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 Oh please. It's a nice egalitarian idea but no one really believes that. You generally get whatever consideration in law you can afford to pay for. Spitzer made powerful enemies, and I have little doubt that is what is behind this. Whenever someone rich goes down it's usually because they ran afoul of some other powerful person or group's agenda. NOT because they were being held to the same standards as Joe Lunchbox. The appearance has to be that they are held to the same standards. And given the way he abused his adversaries while in power he didn't earn much in the way of mercy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
guyser Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 I think the State should check people before boarding an airplane. I have no problem with a policeman checking the contents of a car. I object to police listening to telephone conversations or receiving records of bank transactions. You cannot have it both ways. Either a person has privacy of person, contents and papers or he doesnt. To look into either a warrant must be supplied. (not if they want to go on private property where the rules are made by the host-ot plain view scenarios) Quote
HisSelf Posted March 15, 2008 Author Report Posted March 15, 2008 Off topic. I agree. At least with some of you. Spitzer is an idiot. He prosecuted something he was participating in. But this is not why I started this thread. Back to the topic.... Is it time to legalize prostitution? Quote ...
jbg Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 Is it time to legalize prostitution?I can see arguments both ways. I'd want to study how legalized prostitution is doing in Nevada before reaching a conclusion. It's hard to believe that it isn't unreasonably dangerous to both parties, even if legal, since the prostitute holds a real hammer over her customers' marriages and public standing and G-d only knows what a strong man can do to a stranger if something goes wrong during the encounter. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
margrace Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 http://www.gregpalast.com/ Maybe some one should read this. I think the prostitution thing is just a ploy to keep anyone from investigating further. "While New Youk govenor Eliot Spitzer was paying an 'escort' $4300 in a hotel room in Washington, just down the road, George Bush's new federal reserve board chairman, Ben Bernanke, was secretly handing over $200 billion in a tryst with morgage bank industry speculators." It was a good way to get rid of Mr. Spitzer and everyone knows that politicians have a penchant for getting themselves in hot water over a call girl. It happened in the US, in Canada, And in Britian didn't it. So why is this one so important. Quote
Regulus de Leo Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 It's all a 'vast right wing conspiracy' then? Thank you Mrs. Clinton. Spitzer's own party didn't support him. They thought he was a bully. Quote Imagine... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAtNILh6uY
margrace Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 It's all a 'vast right wing conspiracy' then? Thank you Mrs. Clinton. Spitzer's own party didn't support him. They thought he was a bully. Stranger things have happened haven't they and quite regularly. We are a bunch of inocents if we think that what we are told and what really goes on are the same thing. Quote
Regulus de Leo Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 Stranger things have happened haven't they and quite regularly. We are a bunch of inocents if we think that what we are told and what really goes on are the same thing. Sounds like you are into conspiracy theories not fact. Spitzer got caught because of large cash withdrawals from bank accounts. These are regularly scrutinized and for good reason: criminal and terorist activity. Quote Imagine... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAtNILh6uY
jbg Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 Sounds like you are into conspiracy theories not fact. Spitzer got caught because of large cash withdrawals from bank accounts. These are regularly scrutinized and for good reason: criminal and terorist activity.And Spitzer's own party didn't support him. They thought he was a bully. (apologies to original version of someone's post).He made his own bed and lay in it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
HisSelf Posted March 18, 2008 Author Report Posted March 18, 2008 Well you just gotta love it! David Paterson has announced that he has had extra-marital affairs in the past, and his wife has announced that she has too! Finally, the perfect comeback for the cuckolded political spouse. If only Hilary had thought of this! Hot damn! Make this woman a senator! Quote ...
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