Marc Emery Extradition

[DrGreenthumb]

http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/u...mp;topic=161611

This link to a Vancouver sun article asks a very important question. How can our federal government even entertain the idea of sending a Canadian citizen to a foriegn country to face 30 years in jail for a "crime" that would only warrant a 30 day sentence in Canada? If we are going to pretend to be a sovereign nation we cannot be sending our citizens to foriegn countries for breaking their laws while we are in Canada. If we do not deem the crime worth prosecution here then it should also not be worth extradition.

Would we extradite someone to china for mailing pro-democracy literature there?

Our justice minister had better stand up for Canada and refuse the extradition request, Marc Emery deserves a fair trial conducted by his own countrymen, not those of a foriegn country hostile to his politics.

Edited March 10, 2008 by DrGreenthumb

[White Doors]

http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/u...mp;topic=161611

This link to a Vancouver sun article asks a very important question. How can our federal government even entertain the idea of sending a Canadian citizen to a foriegn country to face 30 years in jail for a "crime" that would only warrant a 30 day sentence in Canada? If we are going to pretend to be a sovereign nation we cannot be sending our citizens to foriegn countries for breaking their laws while we are in Canada. If we do not deem the crime worth prosecution here then it should also not be worth extradition.

Would we extradite someone to china for mailing pro-democracy literature there?

Our justice minister had better stand up for Canada and refuse the extradition request, Marc Emery deserves a fair trial conducted by his own countrymen, not those of a foriegn country hostile to his politics.

ummm... Marc Emery agreed to the terms?

hello?

anyone there?

[M.Dancer]

Emery bores me....

[DrGreenthumb]

ummm... Marc Emery agreed to the terms?

hello?

anyone there?

Are you really that dense?? He is facing life in prison not only for himself but for his two friends, he is being blackmailed into accepting the terms.

Just like how they will often give a person charged with possession a way out of jail if they plead guilty and take "treatment". Then they use the number of people in treatment as evidence that cannabis is addictive. The justice minister must deny extradition, Marc should have never been put in a position where a foriegn power could blackmail him like this. He has a right to expect a fair trial in his own country.

[White Doors]

Are you really that dense?? He is facing life in prison not only for himself but for his two friends, he is being blackmailed into accepting the terms.

Just like how they will often give a person charged with possession a way out of jail if they plead guilty and take "treatment". Then they use the number of people in treatment as evidence that cannabis is addictive. The justice minister must deny extradition, Marc should have never been put in a position where a foriegn power could blackmail him like this. He has a right to expect a fair trial in his own country.

right. he plead guilty. If he didn't want to do the time, then he shouldn't have allowed sales to go to US residents. quite simple really. I don't think he is too bright.

[blueblood]

One less skid in Canada, brainwashing impressionable kids. This guys no better than Franklin Graham. Hope he remembers his soap on a rope.

[BubberMiley]

Are you really that dense??

Yes. They are.

[Drea]

One less skid in Canada, brainwashing impressionable kids. This guys no better than Franklin Graham. Hope he remembers his soap on a rope.

How do you get the idea that children have any involvement whatsoever in what happens regarding the Emery case, or marijuana in general?

If you are concerned that children will obtain marijuana then you must also be concerned that children are obtaining alcohol.

Do you understand in any way how assinine this thinking is?

The legalization of this plant has nothing to do with children, just like the brewing and consumption of alcohol are not targetted to children. Having a drink is an adult pleasure. One which we keep our children from until they are old enough to "handle" it (most never learn with alcohol).

Marijuana is currently available to those who want to smoke it. Because of unregulated sales (street dealers) we have no way to protect our children from it in the same way we protect them from alcohol. We make sure anyone buying alcohol (and even tobacco) must be the age of the majority. Would it not make sense to regulate marijuana the same way and protect our children?

Back on to the topic...

This is good news.

Marc Emery agrees to five years in Canadian prison

...has tentatively agreed to a five-year prison term in a plea bargain over U.S. money laundering and marijuana seed-selling charges.

Facing an extradition hearing Jan. 21 and the all-but-certain prospect of delivery to American authorities, Emery has cut a deal with U.S. prosecutors to serve his sentence in Canada

[bush_cheney2004]

This is good news.

Marc Emery agrees to five years in Canadian prison

Sure is....five years for this doper is swell. He will then be a "political prisoner" in Canada....LOL!

[Drea]

No, he will be serving a sentence meted out by your lawyers who agreed to this deal.

He will be fine. He will get much accomplished in those five years I'll bet.

[blueblood]

Sure is....five years for this doper is swell. He will then be a "political prisoner" in Canada....LOL!

Damn, I wish he would have been sent down there, now my tax dollars are going to pay for this skid to hang out in a ritzy Canadian jail with free satellite TV. What's worse is he'll get speedy parole and he's a larger threat to society than Robert Latimer.

[blueblood]

How do you get the idea that children have any involvement whatsoever in what happens regarding the Emery case, or marijuana in general?

If you are concerned that children will obtain marijuana then you must also be concerned that children are obtaining alcohol.

Do you understand in any way how assinine this thinking is?

The legalization of this plant has nothing to do with children, just like the brewing and consumption of alcohol are not targetted to children. Having a drink is an adult pleasure. One which we keep our children from until they are old enough to "handle" it (most never learn with alcohol).

Marijuana is currently available to those who want to smoke it. Because of unregulated sales (street dealers) we have no way to protect our children from it in the same way we protect them from alcohol. We make sure anyone buying alcohol (and even tobacco) must be the age of the majority. Would it not make sense to regulate marijuana the same way and protect our children?

Back on to the topic...

This is good news.

Marc Emery agrees to five years in Canadian prison

Getting booze is just as easy if not easier than scoring pot, any belief otherwise is naive.

The legalization of this plant opens the door to harder stuff, I've heard ecstasy being compared to candy.

I was refering to Marc Emery himself as a danger to children. He has the same qualities and charisma as Franklin Graham, who in your eyes is dangerous. Marc Emery pushes drug use the same way as Franklin Graham pushes evangelism and they are both offering the same thing ---> "being high" and mind altering activities.

Idiots like these two examples need a good roll of CPC brand duct tape around their big mouths.

[Drea]

What "opens the door" to the hard stuff are the lies that the "establishment" propagates.

A child learns throughout his life that heroin and marijuana are dangerous drugs (eg; DARE program).

This child becomes a young adult and decides to try marijuana. He finds out that he was lied to, that he didn't become a raving lunatic nor did he overdose, he simply had some fun... he then thinks that he has been lied to about heroin too, so he tries it as well... and his life is then over. And those of you that would deny him proper education of these substances are to blame.

Marijuana education should be the same as for alcohol -- fine when used by adults in a responsible manner.

[blueblood]

What "opens the door" to the hard stuff are the lies that the "establishment" propagates.

A child learns throughout his life that heroin and marijuana are dangerous drugs (eg; DARE program).

This child becomes a young adult and decides to try marijuana. He finds out that he was lied to, that he didn't become a raving lunatic nor did he overdose, he simply had some fun... he then thinks that he has been lied to about heroin too, so he tries it as well... and his life is then over. And those of you that would deny him proper education of these substances are to blame.

Marijuana education should be the same as for alcohol -- fine when used by adults in a responsible manner.

The child experimenting with pot would be like, "being high on drugs is fun, what's the other one like" or "geez, being lazy is fun" Society doesn't want the same fight in 30-50 years with say ecstasy or cocaine, users of that stuff think the same way pot users do.

Then child gets hooked on mj due to all the fun they have, and boom I have another junkie that my tax dollars have to support.

They made booze legal now everyone drinks it. Like it or not there are some people who don't smoke pot because it's illegal, why risk making them junkies by legalizing it. The laws are fine the way they are, if you don't like them emmigrate. Every chronic user of pot I've ever seen has been the laziest piece of garbage I've ever seen, and they feel entitled to government handouts, and they are the most dangerous people to work with. I feel sorry for people that have to resort to drugs to get them through the day, I didn't realize reality was so hard for some people.

I'm proud of being part of the establishment, it pays extremely well, and I get to laugh at the pot culture hypocrites who push their garbage culture on the rest of us while bitching and complaining the whole time about the "establishment pushing their rules on us"

Edited March 11, 2008 by blueblood

[DrGreenthumb]

Funny, I think your ilk are the ones who sound like human garbage, I'm not suggesting we pass laws against buffoonery tho. You sound like an angry little man. If it makes you feel good to cause others suffering, I feel sorry for you, you will never know true happiness. Have you ever looked for professional help to deal with your anger issues? Maybe you need a bonghit or two to help you look within yourself and identify the true source of this anger?

Poor guy

[FTA Lawyer]

I don't think that I will ever fight a particular issue as strongly as many would-be martyrs of social disobedience, so my comments are admittedly to be taken in that context.

However, it seems to me that after I saw this guy on national television shouting from the mountain-tops about how defiant he was of the US justice system and that he would rot in US prison for the rest of his life to show how right his beliefs and cause really are, his last minute sell-out shows that he's willing to play the game right up until where he's actually got to pay the price.

This is called folding your tent, your cards, taking your ball and going home, whatever cliche you want to use to describe a guy who will disappear from everyone's conscience because he bailed. There's no such thing as a famous almost-martyr.

Mr. Emery might want to take a lesson or two from people like Henry Morgentaler, Grant Krieger, Sue Rodriguez and yes, Richard Latimer. Rightly or wrongly, they followed through with their convictions (for want of a better term).

FTA

[DrGreenthumb]

I don't think that I will ever fight a particular issue as strongly as many would-be martyrs of social disobedience, so my comments are admittedly to be taken in that context.

However, it seems to me that after I saw this guy on national television shouting from the mountain-tops about how defiant he was of the US justice system and that he would rot in US prison for the rest of his life to show how right his beliefs and cause really are, his last minute sell-out shows that he's willing to play the game right up until where he's actually got to pay the price.

This is called folding your tent, your cards, taking your ball and going home, whatever cliche you want to use to describe a guy who will disappear from everyone's conscience because he bailed. There's no such thing as a famous almost-martyr.

Mr. Emery might want to take a lesson or two from people like Henry Morgentaler, Grant Krieger, Sue Rodriguez and yes, Richard Latimer. Rightly or wrongly, they followed through with their convictions (for want of a better term).

FTA

That point might have some validity if it weren't for the fact that that it was not only Marc's ass on the line. He expected to face his own country's justice system, and when they changed the rules and two of his friends were facing "martyrdom" that they didn't choose, Marc offered to do the right thing and lay down his own life to rescue his friends. His friend Michelle Rainey has crohn's disease and being denied her cannabis medicine in an American jail probably would have killed her. Marc has offered to do the honourable thing by sparing his two employees the same fate he will recieve. If they have done something worth prosecuting they should face Canada's justice system. Canada happily took and spent the half million dollars in in income taxes that Marc paid on his seed sales. If any money was "laundered" it was laundered by revenue Canada.

[Drea]

The child experimenting with pot would be like, "being high on drugs is fun, what's the other one like" or "geez, being lazy is fun" Society doesn't want the same fight in 30-50 years with say ecstasy or cocaine, users of that stuff think the same way pot users do.

Then child gets hooked on mj due to all the fun they have, and boom I have another junkie that my tax dollars have to support.

who said anything about children -- except you?

You keep bringing up children in relation to the legalization of marijuana -- what does one have to do with the other?

Pot smokers are not "junkies". I can see why you would advocate telling people heroin and mj are the same -- you do not know the effect of either if you think that pot and heroin are even remotely similar.

They made booze legal now everyone drinks it. Like it or not there are some people who don't smoke pot because it's illegal, why risk making them junkies by legalizing it. The laws are fine the way they are, if you don't like them emmigrate. Every chronic user of pot I've ever seen has been the laziest piece of garbage I've ever seen, and they feel entitled to government handouts, and they are the most dangerous people to work with.

Oh reaaaally? None of the people I know who smoke it (and it alone) are lazy junkies living off the government. This is more propaganda that you have eagerly swallowed whole.

Those who don't smoke it now will not smoke it when it becomes legal. Many people don't drink alcohol even though it is readily available and legal.

I feel sorry for people that have to resort to drugs to get them through the day, I didn't realize reality was so hard for some people.

It's about partaking in a substance for pleasure. Why do people enjoy a glass of wine? Why not just drink grape juice? No wine even comes close to the yumminess of Welches white grape!

I'm proud of being part of the establishment, it pays extremely well, and I get to laugh at the pot culture hypocrites who push their garbage culture on the rest of us while bitching and complaining the whole time about the "establishment pushing their rules on us"

And you would control every aspect of a citizens life from conception to death. Talk about nanny-state mentality! You expect the government to step in and help you to control your "urges" for pleasure. Clue Bat says: "Learn to control your own behaviour and you won't need the goverment to make up special rules to protect you from yourself."

*shakes head at the abounding ignorance*

[guyser]

The child experimenting with pot would be like, "being high on drugs is fun, what's the other one like" or "geez, being lazy is fun" Society doesn't want the same fight in 30-50 years with say ecstasy or cocaine, users of that stuff think the same way pot users do.

Then child gets hooked on mj due to all the fun they have, and boom I have another junkie that my tax dollars have to support.

Except they cant get hooked physically. Whoops

They made booze legal now everyone drinks it. Like it or not there are some people who don't smoke pot because it's illegal, why risk making them junkies by legalizing it. The laws are fine the way they are, if you don't like them emmigrate. Every chronic user of pot I've ever seen has been the laziest piece of garbage I've ever seen, and they feel entitled to government handouts, and they are the most dangerous people to work with. I feel sorry for people that have to resort to drugs to get them through the day, I didn't realize reality was so hard for some people.

I'm proud of being part of the establishment, it pays extremely well, and I get to laugh at the pot culture hypocrites who push their garbage culture on the rest of us while bitching and complaining the whole time about the "establishment pushing their rules on us"

I swear one would have to be high to post that.

By the way, you are a drug user too. So you are not out of the picture.

carry on.

[BubberMiley]

They made booze legal now everyone drinks it.

That's not true. It sounds like you have your share, but consumption has decreased steadily over the past 30 years. I don't touch the stuff myself. It kills brains cells and makes you act stupid. It also makes you a burden on society.

[blueblood]

Except they cant get hooked physically. Whoops

I swear one would have to be high to post that.

By the way, you are a drug user too. So you are not out of the picture.

carry on.

Hooked is hooked.

I call it as I see it. And no I'm no illicit drug user and haven't been on a perscription. Don't drink either. Saying there aren't pot junkies is like saying there isn't booze junkies.

I don't like drugs and that bs culture being pushed on me by the likes of Marc Emery any more than I like that idiot Franklin Graham spewing his evangelist crap.

I will still say Emery is a hypocrite, if he wants to push his crap, he has no right bitching about "the establishment" trying to keep him quiet.

FTA, the guy's name is Robert Latimer, not Richard and there's another guy doing time in jail for doing what he thought was right but was legally wrong; his name is Kim Walker.

[BubberMiley]

I don't like drugs and that bs culture being pushed on me by the likes of Marc Emery any more than I like that idiot Franklin Graham spewing his evangelist crap.

You feel influenced by "culture" that you perceive to be "pushed" on you? What, are you a teenage girl?

[guyser]

I call it as I see it. And no I'm no illicit drug user and haven't been on a perscription. Don't drink either. Saying there aren't pot junkies is like saying there isn't booze junkies.

Illicit is changing what you wrote. Semantics maybe , but the fact is when you have a headache or a sore tooth you reach for the Advil. Ok you could be the .02% who might not.

I don't like drugs and that bs culture being pushed on me by the likes of Marc Emery any more than I like that idiot Franklin Graham spewing his evangelist crap.

But you are okay with alcohol being pushed on you all the while knowing that booze is X times worse for society?

Not to mention buying.....

-tickets for the Molson Indy

-tickets for the Du Maurier film festival

Emery does not push anything on anyone, at least not that I have ever witnessed a commercial or advert of his. It is not a bs culture, unless you consider all forms of entertainment bs. It may bs to you , but that does not make it bs overall.

I will still say Emery is a hypocrite, if he wants to push his crap, he has no right bitching about "the establishment" trying to keep him quiet.

A hypocrite I dont agree with. The facts are Emery operated in full view and knowledge of police. It was only when someone else from outside this country decided "we" needed to do something about him that our people did something. They should have said MYOB. Or , show us the injured party.

Now if you want to talk about boiler rooms and how we are a haven for them, with resulting real injuries to Canucks and Americans alike, well then we would have something.

[eyeball]

Damn, I wish he would have been sent down there, now my tax dollars are going to pay for this skid to hang out in a ritzy Canadian jail with free satellite TV. What's worse is he'll get speedy parole and he's a larger threat to society than Robert Latimer.

So how's your activism for the criminalization of alcohol and tobacco going?

That said, why waste so much time on the drugs that are already illegal when there are only two left to go? Just imagine how easy it will be to get kids to really believe the government is serious about stamping out drugs once they see Nanny closing all her liquor outlets and their parents being hauled off for smoking and drinking.

Edited March 11, 2008 by eyeball

[Who's Doing What?]

Getting booze is just as easy if not easier than scoring pot, any belief otherwise is naive.

Totally wrong.

Go to any highschool and get a kid to test your theory. You will have pot in minutes but it could take you days to find someone who can get served alcohol.