@Whites tired of multiculturalism

[iForgot]

This question is for White European Canadians who are tired of multiculturalism in Canada.

Do you mind non-whites, particularly Asians and East Indians who are "Canadianized" or Assimilated? Or do you want a 100% White Canada?

[M.Dancer]

This question is for White European Canadians who are tired of multiculturalism in Canada.

Do you mind non-whites, particularly Asians and East Indians who are "Canadianized" or Assimilated? Or do you want a 100% White Canada?

I like non-whites, particularly Asians and East Indians. I like them assimilated, I like them fresh off the boat. I like they way they look and I like they way they cook.

I like them when they are stuggling with the language. I like them when their English is picked up in Newfoundland. There is probably nothing that says Canada more than a Punjabi singing Eyes the Bye except maybe his Canadian born daughter singing Carrickfergus with a perfect Bonavista accent.

[kimmy]

I'm not tired of multiculturalism, provided it's defined in the warm fuzzy terms that Canadians typically think of: different skin tones, funny hats, people bumping around town dressed in wacky gear, delicious food, funky dance-steps, different styles of music, fascinating arts and crafts, and so-forth.

(my own people were neither french nor english; my ancestors brought their own funny hats, goofy clothes, crazy arts and crafts, and nifty cuisine. The music and dance-steps leave a little to be desired, as I recall.)

Who would be upset about any of that stuff?

However, I'm not quite as enthusiastic about multiculturalism if one considers culture to encompass values as well as the sort of superficialities mentioned above. If a culture includes values or beliefs that are in conflict with Canadian values, then they ought to adapt. Examples would include the status of women in some cultures, traditions that are incompatible with Canadian law, long-standing ethnic conflicts being renewed in this country, and the like. I think we can all think of examples of cultural values that should have been checked at the door.

Yes to multiculturalism; no to condoning things that we shouldn't allow in the name of tolerance.

-k

[AngusThermopyle]

Well said Kimmy, I think that would just about sum it up for any reasonable person.

By the way, do you mind if I ask where your ancestors came from? I'm just curious about the funny hats and dance steps and all?

[Wilber]

This question is for White European Canadians who are tired of multiculturalism in Canada.

Do you mind non-whites, particularly Asians and East Indians who are "Canadianized" or Assimilated? Or do you want a 100% White Canada?

Anyone who wants a 100% white Canada is doomed to bitter disappointment. Ain't going to happen, ever. By its title, multiculturalism is based on culture not race. Lets hope most people regardless of their race would see it Kimmy's way.

[Leafless]

This question is for White European Canadians who are tired of multiculturalism in Canada.

It is clear you are biased against Whites.

If you were not biased you would have simply referred to Whites in Canada as 'White Canadians'.

And yes, I am totally sick of Canadian type multiculturalism with the federal government in the position of some type of a cultural god, unilaterally distributing power and policies to minority groups it feels is worthy of its corrupt attention over the consent of obviously worthless Canadian citizens.

[Black Dog]

It is clear you are biased against Whites.

If you were not biased you would have simply referred to Whites in Canada as 'White Canadians'.

That makes no damn sense. Tell me, where do most white Canadians trace their heritage to? Hint: not the Sudan.

However, I'm not quite as enthusiastic about multiculturalism if one considers culture to encompass values as well as the sort of superficialities mentioned above. If a culture includes values or beliefs that are in conflict with Canadian values, then they ought to adapt. Examples would include the status of women in some cultures, traditions that are incompatible with Canadian law, long-standing ethnic conflicts being renewed in this country, and the like. I think we can all think of examples of cultural values that should have been checked at the door.

Yes to multiculturalism; no to condoning things that we shouldn't allow in the name of tolerance.

So who says we should accept things that are illegal? And how do you police that from a practical standpoint? If you accept admitting other cultures in for their shwarma, then you have to expect there to be some unintended consequences.

[Leafless]

That makes no damn sense. Tell me, where do most white Canadians trace their heritage to? Hint: not the Sudan.

Heritage and Canadian identity are two separate things.

I know many White Canadians who could not care less about their past heritage.

Most White Canadians don't have their personal cultural baggage tied around their necks, unlike the rash of emotionally disturbed immigrants who come to Canada for a better life, including I take it for granted, a superior culture.

[Black Dog]

Heritage and Canadian identity are two separate things.

I know many White Canadians who could not care less about their past heritage.

I don't see how referring to them as "White European Canadians" is indicative of bias. It's totally redundant, but not offensive.

[Wilber]

I don't see how referring to them as "White European Canadians" is indicative of bias. It's totally redundant, but not offensive.

Really, then why not Black European Canadians? This is a person who sees multiculturalism on a racial level. That to me indicates bias.

[Leafless]

Really, then why not Black European Canadians? This is a person who sees multiculturalism on a racial level. That to me indicates bias.

His entire post pits race against race.

This question is for White European Canadians who are tired of multiculturalism in Canada.

Do you mind non-whites, particularly Asians and East Indians who are "Canadianized" or Assimilated? Or do you want a 100% White Canada?

[DogOnPorch]

His entire post pits race against race.

Agreement. It seems like someone is fishin' fer rednecks...ur sumthin'...heyuk!

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Crosses are burning on the lawns of Prince George as we speak.

---Liberal MP Hedy Fry (Van-Centre)

Edited February 1, 2008 by DogOnPorch

[iForgot]

It is clear you are biased against Whites.

I said that because I wanted to avoid the "there is no white race" and "define white" responses, Leafless.

You did not even answer the question properly. As usual you whined about the minorities leeching and not becoming Canadian, when the question was asking what is your opinion on immigrants who assimilate and do not ask for or need special treatment. Please answer the question, I can go to Stormfront to read the whining about multiculturalism...

Edited February 1, 2008 by iForgot

[kimmy]

So who says we should accept things that are illegal? And how do you police that from a practical standpoint?

Well, if we're limiting our interest to things that are illegal, then we could police that with, you-know, police.

However, I didn't limit my comment to things that are illegal, I said "If a culture includes values or beliefs that are in conflict with Canadian values, then they ought to adapt," and I provided examples such as "the status of women in some cultures, traditions that are incompatible with Canadian law, long-standing ethnic conflicts being renewed in this country, and the like."

Need I be more specific? Sure, why not.

"The status of women in some cultures"... an example might be a couple from India who after conceiving, uses ultrasound to determine the sex of the fetus, and abort it if it is female (a frequent occurrence in India). Can't prevent them from having an ultrasound. Can't prevent them from having an abortion. Don't really have any means of "policing" this.

But it's certainly an aspect of a foreign culture that I'd be less than pleased to see take hold in Canada.

It would not warm the cockles of my heart in the way that funny hats and curried chicken do.

"Traditions that are incompatible with Canadian law" ...an obvious example would be what some refer to as "female circumcision". Can't really say for sure what some doctor might do in the privacy of his clinic, but we can certainly make sure this remains illegal and prevent it from happening in public hospitals or on the taxpayer's dime. If some parents are of a mind to have it done to their child outside of the country, there's probably nothing we can do to stop them.

That's an aspect of a foreign culture that I'd be less than pleased to see take hold in Canada.

It would not warm the cockles of my heart in the way that funny hats and curried chicken do.

"long-standing ethnic conflicts being renewed in this country" ...an example might be, for instance, the Air India bombing. Or any number of groups who've raised money to send to fund violent conflict in their old homelands. Canadian law enforcement would hopefully try to stop this. Likewise not the sort of thing that gives me the warm and fuzzies in regard to multiculturalism.

If you accept admitting other cultures in for their shwarma, then you have to expect there to be some unintended consequences.

BFD. Doesn't mean I have to "tolerate" that which is intolerable should it be brought to these shores.

By the way, do you mind if I ask where your ancestors came from? I'm just curious about the funny hats and dance steps and all?

My dad is descended from Swedes who came to Canada after briefly settling in Minnesota.

Mom's peeps were religious folk who fled persecution in eastern Europe.

-k

[Wilber]

I said that because I wanted to avoid the "there is no white race" and "define white" responses, Leafless.

Then perhaps you should "define white" yourself before you ask a question like:

Do you mind non-whites, particularly Asians and East Indians who are "Canadianized" or Assimilated? Or do you want a 100% White Canada?

Not buyin it.

[Leafless]

I said that because I wanted to avoid the "there is no white race" and "define white" responses, Leafless.

There is no difference.

Both are inappropiate and are racially based.

The term "white people" (also "whites", or "white race") has been defined as "being a member of a group or race characterized by light pigmentation of the skin"[1] and "to a human group having light-coloured skin, especially of European ancestry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

You did not even answer the question properly.

Your question is a racially bated question.

Sorry, I don't answer this type of question so you can turn around and label that person a 'racist'.

As usual you whined about the minorities leeching and not becoming Canadian, when the question was asking what is your opinion on immigrants who assimilate and do not ask for or need special treatment. Please answer the question, I can go to Stormfront to read the whining about multiculturalism.

Most democratic societies are multicultural in nature and include the races you speak of without any type of fanfare and without someone like you asking derogatory racial questions.

Why don't you grow up.

[iForgot]

Then perhaps you should "define white" yourself before you ask a question like-

Both parents are European. Please dont say something stupid like what about a Black European. You know what I mean when I say White European.

Not buyin it.

What the hell are you talking about? I am asking the question, how do you not buy a question?

Edited February 1, 2008 by iForgot

[iForgot]

Leafless, you should know some people will bring up the fact that the Irish were not considered white at one point. That is why I said European, to include all of Europe. Also, to avoid people asking if White Hispanics count.

Why am I going to label you a racist if you say you want a 100% White Canada? Who cares if you are called a racist anyways - in todays PC society anybody can be called a racist. I simply want an answer to the question and not a dispute over what is white and what is not. I said White European because I wanted to avoid people saying things like what about the Irish or what about Hispanics who look white. How you think that makes me bias against Whites was weird to say the least.

[Wilber]

Both parents are European. Please dont say something stupid like what about a Black European. You know what I mean when I say White European.

What the hell are you talking about? I am asking the question, how do you not buy a question?

No I am not buying the question. Europeans cover a myriad of cultures, you are the one who is giving multiculturalism a racial face.

[Black Dog]

Well, if we're limiting our interest to things that are illegal, then we could police that with, you-know, police.

However, I didn't limit my comment to things that are illegal, I said "If a culture includes values or beliefs that are in conflict with Canadian values, then they ought to adapt," and I provided examples such as "the status of women in some cultures, traditions that are incompatible with Canadian law, long-standing ethnic conflicts being renewed in this country, and the like."

I got that. What I wanted to know is how you plan on keeping the undesirable-but-not-illegal behaviour out of the country. You concede you can't. That's pretty much the end of it.

BFD. Doesn't mean I have to "tolerate" that which is intolerable should it be brought to these shores.

And who says you should?

[iForgot]

No I am not buying the question. Europeans cover a myriad of cultures, you are the one who is giving multiculturalism a racial face.

You are either being an ass and getting all technical or you dont understand the question. Fine, multi RACIALISM if thats what you want to call it. Whites tired of multiple races living in Canada with their vastly different cultures.

Example: Whites who dont like Muslims getting special treatment, Black only schools, Half of Toronto with English not as their mother tongue etc. Are these people, who I know for a fact Leafless is one of, feeling the same way about ALL non-whites, even second generation ones born here, raised here, assimilated into Canadian culture?

[White Doors]

I got that. What I wanted to know is how you plan on keeping the undesirable-but-not-illegal behaviour out of the country. You concede you can't. That's pretty much the end of it.

And who says you should?

The Human 'rights' tribunals.

[Argus]

I like non-whites, particularly Asians and East Indians. I like them assimilated, I like them fresh off the boat. I like they way they look and I like they way they cook.

I like them when they are stuggling with the language. I like them when their English is picked up in Newfoundland. There is probably nothing that says Canada more than a Punjabi singing Eyes the Bye except maybe his Canadian born daughter singing Carrickfergus with a perfect Bonavista accent.

Do you like them when they're beating their daughters to death because of family honour? Do you like them when they're madly swinging away at each other with swords and clubs over whether their temple has chairs? Do you like them when they're haranguing the world on the internet about how evil westerners are, and how much they would welcome terrorist attacks on Canadians at home? Do you like them when they're selling crack in the street and shooting it out on street corners? Do you like them when they're quietly speaking of the day they get more political power in Canada so they can outlaw homosexuality and force the country to abide by Sharia law?

[Wilber]

You are either being an ass and getting all technical or you dont understand the question. Fine, multi RACIALISM if thats what you want to call it. Whites tired of multiple races living in Canada with their vastly different cultures.

Example: Whites who dont like Muslims getting special treatment, Black only schools, Half of Toronto with English not as their mother tongue etc. Are these people, who I know for a fact Leafless is one of, feeling the same way about ALL non-whites, even second generation ones born here, raised here, assimilated into Canadian culture?

I'm against anyone getting special treatment based on race, culture or religion. Thanks for finally admitting your question was based on race, not culture.

[Black Dog]

The Human 'rights' tribunals.

Okay: how? Be specific, if you can.