jdobbin Posted November 15, 2007 Report Posted November 15, 2007 I guess we can say after the last three polls this week that the result of the latest advertising campaign has been mid to low 30s in the polls for the Tories and... a statistical tie with the Liberals in at least two of them. And according to some posters here, the Mulroney issue has had little or no effect on the polls. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted November 15, 2007 Report Posted November 15, 2007 It's a minority government which can topple at a moments notice - hence the ads makes perfect sense in the absence of an "actual" election. These ads were most likely prepared in the likelyhood of us already being in an election, over the the throne speech. I think since the CPC has the money they just decided to run them anyway. What I don't like is having to see political ads, of any kind, outside of an election. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Michael Bluth Posted November 16, 2007 Report Posted November 16, 2007 What I don't like is having to see political ads, of any kind, outside of an election. Nobody is forcing you to watch them. The Conservatives have no chance of earning your vote so why would they care? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted November 16, 2007 Report Posted November 16, 2007 What I don't like is having to see political ads, of any kind, outside of an election. Turns out they did nothing for them just as the four previous campaigns did nothing. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090301/...ies_tackle_iggy The Tories already have anti-Ignatieff ads ready to air at a moment's notice, and are also combing through a lifetime's worth of musings from his career as a public intellectual.All the BBC programs Ignatieff hosted, C-Span call-in shows he participated in, and books he wrote are being sifted for ammunition to be used before and during the next campaign. Conservatives say that after Ignatieff won the leadership they made a strategic choice to spare him the torment they directed at his predecessor Stephane Dion - but only temporarily. Looks like Harper the mad dog sociopath is back. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090301/...ies_tackle_iggyLooks like Harper the mad dog sociopath is back. Let them battle it out....and let the most controlled emotionally be the victor...liberals are so easily manipulated by emotion ----"mad dog sociopath" - that's emotional and not true..and there is the core of your difficulty. You have to be accurate if you are going to toss a legitimate curse - and the man must be guilty to be fully convicted - so far Harper stands innocent...as does Iggy - so far.. Lets' just wait - now pass the pop corn. Quote
SSD Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Its time for Iggy to put Harper in his place. Iggy warned Harper. Once these ads start to air, Iggy will lay down the law. Harper, on the other hand, still doesn't know that he's dealing with someone who has been building support for himself from coast to coast to coast ever since he becamse opposition leader. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Its time for Iggy to put Harper in his place. Iggy warned Harper. Once these ads start to air, Iggy will lay down the law. Harper, on the other hand, still doesn't know that he's dealing with someone who has been building support for himself from coast to coast to coast ever since he becamse opposition leader. A speech here and another there "coast to coast" does not constitute "support". Forget that Ignatieff wears the liberal red, the average citizen does not have a clue who he is..all they know is that he has big eyebrows and someone said he was an "intellectual" - what ever that means. There is a vigorous tone of desperate hope in the prior writers post..it shows weakness...It's like a child saying "wait till my dad gets back - he will beat up your dad." It would be nice if Iggnatieff does put some pressure on Harper - it may help Harper improve - but knowing Harper .. he will just stay stoned face and ignore him...the only thing that will get Harper out of office is the same thing that got the liberals out - scandal....and the PM is fully aware of that and guarding against it....It's evident that the "law suit' seemed to have worked - everyone got gagged. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Let them battle it out....and let the most controlled emotionally be the victor...liberals are so easily manipulated by emotion ----"mad dog sociopath" - that's emotional and not true..and there is the core of your difficulty Actually, it's totally true. Time and time again Harper has proven to be his worst enemy with his hyperpartisanship. Conservatives are so easily motivated by going for the personal attack. I think you can understand the connotation of mad dog, right? This is the core of your difficulty. You don't realize that Harper can't help himself is going for the throat. You have to be accurate if you are going to toss a legitimate curse - and the man must be guilty to be fully convicted - so far Harper stands innocent...as does Iggy - so far.. Lets' just wait - now pass the pop corn. Ah, there is the breaking of decorum we have come to expect of conservatives. You know the rules on names of the leaders. Why do you continue to break them? Harper should stick to his knitting and do his job. It would probably give him that chance of a majority he keeps blowing. Quote
noahbody Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 The Tories, IMO, are in need of a good ad agency. The strategy behind the Dion is not a leader campaign was especially weak. With Liberal senators delaying bills they had an excellent opportunity to engage Canadians and give them reason to vote for a Tory majority. Instead, they did the short-sighted Dion ads when Harper should have been a bridge not divider. However, with that said, I don't see a story here. No ads here have been approved. They haven't even been produced. They're doing research. Is this something their agency is doing? Have the ideas been presented? Are they doing other approaches and focus testing them? Quote
August1991 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Actually, it's totally true. Time and time again Harper has proven to be his worst enemy with his hyperpartisanship. Conservatives are so easily motivated by going for the personal attack.Gimme a break. Liberals are not hyperpartisan, or don't go for the personal attack?The Liberals are not only partisan, they steal money from taxpayers and then claim afterwards that "they are entitled to their entitlements". Quote
jdobbin Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Gimme a break. Liberals are not hyperpartisan, or don't go for the personal attack? They can be. However, I think Harper takes it to sociopatic levels that have hurt him more than helped him. Or do you disagree? Do you think that any of his personal attacks has put him closer to his obsessive goal of a majority? The Liberals are not only partisan, they steal money from taxpayers and then claim afterwards that "they are entitled to their entitlements". Looks like we have struck a nerve. Maybe we'll see a new lawsuit? Edited March 2, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Gimme a break. Liberals are not hyperpartisan, or don't go for the personal attack?The Liberals are not only partisan, they steal money from taxpayers and then claim afterwards that "they are entitled to their entitlements". And Tories commit election fraud. Political parties are corrupt and vile structures, each and every one of them. WE'd do a lot better to vote in a house of independents than anybody who has whored themselves for an official t-shirt and some signs. Quote
KingIggy Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090301/...ies_tackle_iggyLooks like Harper the mad dog sociopath is back. Bush-Bot of the North. A PUPPET of the Republican party. Edited March 2, 2009 by KingIggy Quote
85RZ500 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) All right now, it's sock it to `im time. Lets line him up, the Convenient Canadian. Can't wait to see/hear what the brainiac has said/done is his 30+ years outside the "country that I love". This should be good, like the Liberal stratigest said, time for the beer and popcorn. Edited March 2, 2009 by 85RZ500 Quote
jdobbin Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 All right now, it's sock it to `im time. And blowing any hope of the Tories getting a majority because people think they are out of their minds with hyperpartisan pathology. Quote
Slim MacSquinty Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 That's it Harper haters roll out all the sorry old mischaracterizations, at least when the conservatives went after Dion they were spot on. I suspect there is much dirt on Ignatief, and the media has given him a fauning bye instead of a cold hard look. I look forward to hearing some good dirt on this guy, I particularly did not like his arrogant "I'm putting the government on probation" line, from an unelected leader of an essentially bankrupt rump of a party, image what a twit he'd become if he got anywhere near power. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 That's it Harper haters roll out all the sorry old mischaracterizations, at least when the conservatives went after Dion they were spot on. And what did it get Harper? Another minority against one of the weakest Liberal leaders in its history. All the Tories can do is attack. Quote
Vancouver King Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 This situation is laughable. Is there a Tory political junkie in this forum that honestly believes John Q. Public will tolerate another CPC character assassination campaign as a substitute for a tight focus on the imploding economy? My guess after a month of negative ads the major poll numbers will read something like this: Liberal - 36% Conservative - 29% How gullible does Harper think voters are? Sober second thoughts will probably prevail. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
KingIggy Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) It's not laughable VK, as you saw the Neo-Con upswing in BC last election. It's scary that after witnessing the Bush catastrophe, millions of Canadians flock like zombies to vote for Harper. If we laugh them off, they WILL get a clean majority this time. They are friggen insane. Best for us Non-Neo-Cons to get the ID's prepared so as to avoid voting line troubles, and vote in advance. I wouldn't assume the governer general will allow a coalition this time either. The Neo-Cons of the North take every single political play/move right out of Rove's Republican handbook, and they are equally as ruthless. Very much like a political cult. Edited March 2, 2009 by KingIggy Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Looks like Harper the mad dog sociopath is back. Yawn. This time they better not use taxpayer money to run their silly push polls and attack pamphlets. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 ...liberals are so easily manipulated by emotion ----" Liberals are emotional? Did you watch the Conservative side of the room with the threat of non-confidence? It was like they were all on crack. I've never seen a worse public display, let alone from a our gov't attacking Canadians. It couldn't get more personal. They went after Trudeau's father and Jack Layton's father. They screamed no flags ...they screamed coup...it was a little frightening. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Harper should stick to his knitting and do his job. It would probably give him that chance of a majority he keeps blowing. Yes Canadians will be so thrilled that the Conservatives no longer (did they ever?) care about the economy or job losses. Their attention is now on running attack ads when there has not even been an election called yet. Glad they've got their priorities straight. This reeks of desperation. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 The Liberals are not only partisan, they steal money from taxpayers and then claim afterwards that "they are entitled to their entitlements". In and Out. Forged receipts to claim money they're not entitled to. Airbus. Campaign pamphlets charged to taxpayers. Military jets to hockey games. Tory entitlement. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Its time for Iggy to put Harper in his place. Iggy warned Harper. Once these ads start to air, Iggy will lay down the law. Harper, on the other hand, still doesn't know that he's dealing with someone who has been building support for himself from coast to coast to coast ever since he becamse opposition leader. During a severe economic crisis the last thing Canadians have a stomach for is political games. For the Cons to run attack ads now is a suicide attempt. How can they convince anyone to vote for them when the daily headlines are more doom and gloom, and the best they can do is personal attacks on their opponents? Harper promised cooperation, putting those of us who pay his salary, first. Another lie? We should be used to it by now. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
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