Toronto School Board eyes "Afro-centric" school

g_bambino · April 9, 2009

You come to America you assimulate - that's what made America powerful - you come to Canada - you disappate and that is what will and is making us weak.

I don't disagree with your entire post, but I think it should be noted that the idea for this project in Toronto was actually inspired by similar schools in the United States.

g_bambino · September 8, 2009

Hold onto your hats, folks, 'cause here we go! (And all to the song of the "Black National Anthem"; who knew?)

lictor616 · September 8, 2009

I don't disagree with your entire post, but I think it should be noted that the idea for this project in Toronto was actually inspired by similar schools in the United States.

here's the link to the story! (ahaahahahh... omg can't wait to hear the leftist "egalitarians" on this one!)

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/200...ric-school.html

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"On Tuesday, when hundreds of thousands of Ontario students head back to school, a lot of attention will be focused on one particular school in Toronto’s north end.

It only has 85 students, but hopes are high for the Africentric Alternative School, which will open its doors near Keele Street and Sheppard Avenue West on Sept. 8 for the very first time.

The administrative staff, the teachers, the parents—even the kids—are excited about the new school.

“I’m going to learn how to write the A, B, C, Ds,” says Makeba Ofori-McRae in anticipation.

When Makeba enters Grade One she wants to “learn how to write the numbers. Then I’m going to colour.”

Her mother, Amma, says she enrolled Makeba in the Africentric school so her daughter would be taught about her black heritage."

ahhh! wants her daughter to be a Black Nationalist.... and we get to pay for it...

How much of you here would wager that if a group of White people tried with equal fervor to set up all White schools and teach their kids about white heritage, they'd be tarred, feathered, publicly horsewhipped, called every Politically Incorrect slander in the book, and sued by the Human Rights Tribunal and remove custody of the children enrolled in the school?

ahhhhh, facepalm*

the best thing about this is that enrollment will KEEP increasing, because blacks at the end of the day really don't care much for diversity... they'd much rather be with their own kind... so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a trend for non-white minority communities... and we profane Canadian chinless wonders, will, (in an act of supreme self hatred) tolerate it and even SUBSIDIZE it...

Edited September 8, 2009 by lictor616

Peter F · September 8, 2009

How much of you here would wager that if a group of White people tried with equal fervor to set up all White schools and teach their kids about white heritage, they'd be tarred, feathered, publicly horsewhipped, called every Politically Incorrect slander in the book, and sued by the Human Rights Tribunal and remove custody of the children enrolled in the school?
ahhhhh, facepalm*

We don't have to try. We already have that in the vast majority of our schools - especially non-big city schools. All white schools teaching kids about white heritage is pretty much the standard in this country.

lictor616 · September 9, 2009

We don't have to try. We already have that in the vast majority of our schools - especially non-big city schools. All white schools teaching kids about white heritage is pretty much the standard in this country.

Perhaps that's the case for a minority of schools in traditionnally conservative areas... Alberta say, but for all practical purposes the curriculum has been revised to eliminate any potential for "eurocentrism" in academia. You should really read about the Multiculturalism act and its core policies..

The main idea of multiculturalism is the equal value of all cultures (i.e., cultural relativism). Multiculturalism, a politicized form of cultural relativism, rejects the idea that there are general truths, norms, or rules with respect to both knowledge and morals. Unlike cultural relativism however, multiculturalism excludes one worldview from the realm of equally valid worldviews – the Eurocentric Western perspective based on the contributions of dead white European males or "DWEM's" as they are referred to contempuously by some. Multiculturalists dismiss the significance of Western civilization by claiming that Western traditions of elitism, racism, and sexism are the cause of most of our current problems... so they teach white heritage in mostly a negative light...

All white schools are becoming a rarity as well... but again that matters not: since there is no such thing as an all white, eurocentric school in all of canada (despite the fact that whites constitute a majority)

In south africa: all black african schools are quite common (yet BLACKS are the majority) ... even Oprah who opened a school for girls there, restricted admissions to BLACKS only... and the staff is all-black also...

there really is no equivalence here

g_bambino · September 9, 2009

All white schools teaching kids about white heritage is pretty much the standard in this country.

I think we'd have to first define what "white heritage" is before looking to see where it's taught. I doubt the exercise would be successful; trying would be as futile as attempting to identify "black", "yellow", or "red heritage", given that race is not codependent on culture or vice versa.

jbg · September 9, 2009

We don't have to try. We already have that in the vast majority of our schools - especially non-big city schools. All white schools teaching kids about white heritage is pretty much the standard in this country.

I see nothing wrong with teaching about all heritages. I went to a school that was about 97% white, maybe 40% Jewish, and I learned lots about Asian and Black heritage. Some of it no doubt sanitized and politically correct.

The one thing we can count on is that the Afro-Centric School's education will be unbiased and honest. </sarcasm>

lictor616 · September 9, 2009

I see nothing wrong with teaching about all heritages. I went to a school that was about 97% white, maybe 40% Jewish, and I learned lots about Asian and Black heritage. Some of it no doubt sanitized and politically correct.
The one thing we can count on is that the Afro-Centric School's education will be unbiased and honest. </sarcasm>

I bet you the curriculum will consist mainly in attributing Egypt and Ancient Greece to black africans... then they,ll say black people invented civilization, paper, and just about every worthwhile invention and that african's were happy care-free people that could fly by telekinesis UNTIL ... "of course" (cue the dramatic music) the Europeans came and took all of their superior powers away from them (surreptitiously of course)

Or maybe they'll teach the more venomous brand of black supremism.. That teaches that a black Ethiopian "scientist" name Yakub 8000 years ago invented white people in his lab to serve as slaves.... but of course: something went terribly wrong with the experiment... and now its up to blacks to put things back to rights again...

Edited September 9, 2009 by lictor616

M.Dancer · September 9, 2009

I bet you the curriculum will consist mainly in attributing Egypt and Ancient Greece to black africans...

I bet you haven't read herodotus and don't know what you are talking about in any case.

lictor616 · September 9, 2009

I bet you haven't read herodotus and don't know what you are talking about in any case.

I,ve actually referenced herodotus here a coupla times...

and please don't start pulling those fraudulent Martin Bernal nonsense.

jbg · September 10, 2009

I bet you the curriculum will consist mainly in attributing Egypt and Ancient Greece to black africans... then they,ll say black people invented civilization, paper, and just about every worthwhile invention and that african's were happy care-free people that could fly by telekinesis UNTIL ... "of course" (cue the dramatic music) the Europeans came and took all of their superior powers away from them (surreptitiously of course)
Or maybe they'll teach the more venomous brand of black supremism.. That teaches that a black Ethiopian "scientist" name Yakub 8000 years ago invented white people in his lab to serve as slaves.... but of course: something went terribly wrong with the experiment... and now its up to blacks to put things back to rights again...

Are you off your meds? Again?

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

Are you off your meds? Again?

that's the second time you say that... you said the same to "oleg bach"...

and what do you want me to do with your comment... what part of my comment are you addressing exactly?

August1991 · September 11, 2009

I bet you the curriculum will consist mainly in attributing Egypt and Ancient Greece to black africans... then they,ll say black people invented civilization, paper, and just about every worthwhile invention and that african's were happy care-free people that could fly by telekinesis UNTIL ... "of course" (cue the dramatic music) the Europeans came and took all of their superior powers away from them (surreptitiously of course)
Or maybe they'll teach the more venomous brand of black supremism.. That teaches that a black Ethiopian "scientist" name Yakub 8000 years ago invented white people in his lab to serve as slaves.... but of course: something went terribly wrong with the experiment... and now its up to blacks to put things back to rights again...

Lictor, I feel comfortable in saying that you are an idiot.

IOW, you just don't get it.

At present in Canada, we have at least 10 different education systems - each with their own "provincial" way of teaching various subjects, including history. Moreover, each province has an education system that teaches in French and English so that learning is different according to language.

Now in Canada - from Newfoundland to BC - we have many schools, funded entirely with taxpayer money, that teach different subjects differently. Each province, for example, sets its own curricula.

In short lictor616, there are many ways to catch a mouse - and when catching mice, who cares about the colour of the cat's fur?

GostHacked · September 11, 2009

In Canada, we have segregated French schools and English schools, that teach math and science differently.
Each province in Canada teaches math and science according to its own curricula, a right jealously guarded. This is a major feature of Canada's constitution.

I understand the need for French and English schools, because of language. But why not go with separate black french and black english schools as well as separate white english and french schools. Let's subdivide it even more...... no wait, that is a bad idea.

lictor616 · September 11, 2009

Lictor, I feel comfortable in saying that you are an idiot.
IOW, you just don't get it.

At present in Canada, we have at least 10 different education systems - each with their own "provincial" way of teaching various subjects, including history. Moreover, each province has an education system that teaches in French and English so that learning is different according to language.

Now in Canada - from Newfoundland to BC - we have many schools, funded entirely with taxpayer money, that teach different subjects differently. Each province, for example, sets its own curricula.

In short lictor616, there are many ways to catch a mouse - and when catching mice, who cares about the colour of the cat's fur?

My god you can feel the animosity in this one...

"Provincial way of teaching"... that's an awkward way to put it but in essence are you suggesting that race based eduction are an approved and universal method of instruction in Canada? I mean to compare language schools (french and english) to RACE BASED SCHOOLS, that exclude non-blacks for instance and teach a bizarre race based and racially fused curriculum is quite a new development.

And i'm sorry, but it isn't the ENTIRE provincial curricula that's being amended, its "an exception" made to people on the basis of their race!

and exactly!!!! "who cares about the colour of the cat's fur".,.. why should black people be exempt from this ? You realize that this is precisely a case where a mouse's fur is a determining factor right?

Seems like your impudence and anger are clouding your ability to reason.

ironstone · September 13, 2009

John Tory got raked over the coals by just about everyone for proposing to fund other religious schools besides the Catholics.Now that there may be an "afro-centric" school under Dalton's watch,the response is rather muted to say the least.This story gets very little coverage it seems.

M.Dancer · September 13, 2009

John Tory got raked over the coals by just about everyone for proposing to fund other religious schools besides the Catholics.Now that there may be an "afro-centric" school under Dalton's watch,the response is rather muted to say the least.This story gets very little coverage it seems.

Apples and bananas.

This isn't a private or independant school. It operates under the authority of the TDSB. If anyone is in need of coals it's the trustees and Millar

Thomas Kwon · September 13, 2009

Wouldn't it be more PC to have a Sino-centric (China, Vietnam, Korea, Japan) school rather than a Afrocentric school?

In Canada, Asians are the "underrepresented minorities", not blacks.

lictor616 · September 17, 2009

Wouldn't it be more PC to have a Sino-centric (China, Vietnam, Korea, Japan) school rather than a Afrocentric school?
In Canada, Asians are the "underrepresented minorities", not blacks.

Lol, a sinocentric or japanese-centric school... gosh I think I'd send my kids there in lieu of the festering, violent, "metal detector", victim-mentality brainwashing ,PC edumacating, diversity ridden idiot hatcheries that are the norm in canada.

They might actually learn about things that matter (science, math and literacy), and benefit from having to compete with disciplined, well mannered and intelligent Orientals!

Edited September 17, 2009 by lictor616

M.Dancer · September 17, 2009

, well mannered and intelligent Orientals!

Like the ones involved in a knife fight recently at a Toronto High School?

Excuse me hourably adversary, Pardon my shiv...

GostHacked · September 17, 2009

I bet you haven't read herodotus and don't know what you are talking about in any case.

I like this answer.

DogOnPorch · September 17, 2009

I like this answer.

Have you read The Histories?

lictor616 · September 17, 2009

Like the ones involved in a knife fight recently at a Toronto High School?
Excuse me hourably adversary, Pardon my shiv...

that mainly happens in integrated schools, where every ethnicity is pitted against the other... I would wager that such incidents are far less likely when under the tutelage of a discipline and eduction first type environment... not one that teaches political correctness first.

GostHacked · September 17, 2009

Have you read The Histories?

I learned about him in Ancient History back in high school. And now that I think of it, I may not have read much from him. I may have gotten him confused with Homer for a moment. Because I do recall the brutal time I had with reading the Odessy and the Illiad.

I'll try to pick it up soon Or read it online.

August1991 · September 18, 2009

"Provincial way of teaching"... that's an awkward way to put it but in essence are you suggesting that race based eduction are an approved and universal method of instruction in Canada?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean - although I wouldn't use the word "race". (The word was commonly used before 1940 in Canada, now we tend to say "culture".).

In Canada, we have respected minority rights through federalism. That is, in Canada, we officially recognize minority rights. (In South Africa, this would be called "apartheid" and in America, "separate but equal".)

IMV, the question is not the method to respect the minority but rather that the majority does. One measure of a civil society is how the majority treats minorities - and another is whether minorities make the society dysfunctional.

All things considered, Canada is a civilized country. (By the same measure, I would say that this forum is civilized too.)

Edited September 18, 2009 by August1991