Ron Paul on Leno

[bush_cheney2004]

...My diagnosis - the support is cynical and is purely based around hopes to see US foreign policy retrreat inwards. The next questions are: why the desire to see US influence wane and what hope for what happens in the subsequent vaccum. I have my theory.

Agreed....be the next president Democrat or Republican, Canada would witness foreign policy decisions on par with the current and prior administrations.

[GostHacked]

In and of itself that is hardly a virtue.

At least you know what you are getting with Ron Paul. Not like any other candidate out there. Republican OR Democrat. Paul is a man who seems to stands by his principles and his words.

[Michael Hardner]

Sully, I think I have it:

From Paul's wikipedia page:

John Gibson of Fox News confronted Paul about being interviewed by truther Alex Jones. Gibson asked Paul to "say right here and now that you completely disavow the 9/11 truth movement and the whole idea that the U.S. government was in on the 9/11 attack", which Paul immediately did.[50] Gibson later expressed doubts over Paul's explicit disavowal, claiming Paul does believe the government staged the 9/11 attack: "9/11 truthers evidently raised millions for Ron Paul. Why doesn't he just admit that he's with them, blaming the U.S. government for the 9/11 attacks?"

[Sulaco]

Sully, I think I have it:

From Paul's wikipedia page:

That's not my theory but it's also very plausible given this crew here.

[stignasty]

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff ®. Nov. 1-5, 2007. Asked of Republicans, and non-Republicans who said they would vote in a Republican presidential primary (from a total sample of 1,509 adults nationwide). MoE ± 4.2.

"Let me mention some people who might seek the Republican nomination for president in 2008. If the next Republican primary for president were being held today, for which one of the following candidates would you vote . . . ?" If unsure: "Well, which way do you lean?"

Rudy Giuliani 33%

John McCain 16%

Fred Thompson 15%

Mitt Romney 11%

Mike Huckabee 8%

Ron Paul 4%

Duncan Hunter 2%

Tom Tancredo 2%

[Topaz]

I wish the big networks would go back and show us the debates between Gore and Bush and all the lies that Bush said back them just so he could get the presidency to have his war on terror which he had planned from the start in 1999. I don't think Clinton should be president because there are too many ties to the Bush family in the past and I don't trust either of them. There are other Dems running who would be a better choice and I see this as another Bush getting into the White House if Hilary is President and people will be fooled again.

[Guest American Woman]

I don't think Clinton should be president because there are too many ties to the Bush family in the past and I don't trust either of them. There are other Dems running who would be a better choice and I see this as another Bush getting into the White House if Hilary is President and people will be fooled again.

What ties does Hillary Clinton have to the Bush family?

Edited November 10, 2007 by American Woman

[trex]

Lou Dobbs has it right... it makes no difference in the grand scene of things wether you vote Dem or Republican. Register as independent, to express your displeasure with these parties!

Lou may not be always right but he is very outpsoken. I thought he was going to have a socialist meltdown in his "War on the Middle Class"

I sure wish someone like him would run for president

Edited November 10, 2007 by trex

[buffycat]

Just an addition to this Ron Paul thread (cuz I'm too lazy to find the other one and didn't want to start a new one).

Good article on the Ron Phenonmena in Anti-War, for those interested:

Why Are They So

Afraid of Ron Paul?

Neocons and sectarian leftists unite to smear the antiwar Republican

Strange bedfellows indeed. From what I have noticed the neocons and the 'hard left' are on the same page wrt Dr. Paul. Meanwhile - dems, repubs and libertarians are flocking to Ron's message of non-interventionism, returning to the Constitution and taking America back from the riegns of neolibs and neocons.

Edited November 14, 2007 by buffycat

[Michael Hardner]

Is it true that he wants to eliminate all income taxes and disband the federal reserve ?

That sounds pretty extreme to me. Fortunately, we're not at the point yet where these unknown rock stars can sweep to power and wreak havoc on government.

In twenty years, though, watch out.

[jawapunk]

I am replying to the guy that said right wings means warlike. This is a misconception. Republicans are historically anti-war and conservative in nature. It is actually far more common for the democrats to declare war and expand conflicts.

Just so you know.

[GostHacked]

Is it true that he wants to eliminate all income taxes and disband the federal reserve ?

That sounds pretty extreme to me. Fortunately, we're not at the point yet where these unknown rock stars can sweep to power and wreak havoc on government.

In twenty years, though, watch out.

Yeah he wants to get rid of the IRS. Ron Paul has stated that many times. He has also been stating that for over 20 years. He thinks it is a flawed system and that it does not gaurantee true prosperity.

Again he is consistant in his words. Eventhough I may not agree with everything he says. He does not back down from his words, he stands behind them and makes no apologies about it. I have seen so many other politicians change their worldview so many times, I am starting to get dizzy.

[Sulaco]

Yeah he wants to get rid of the IRS. Ron Paul has stated that many times. He has also been stating that for over 20 years. He thinks it is a flawed system and that it does not gaurantee true prosperity.

Again he is consistant in his words. Eventhough I may not agree with everything he says. He does not back down from his words, he stands behind them and makes no apologies about it. I have seen so many other politicians change their worldview so many times, I am starting to get dizzy.

The IRS is not a system. it is an agency tasked with collection of certain taxes as well as creation of regulations.

[jawapunk]

He doesn't want to end taxation. Geez...How would he get paid? haha. He simply wants to get rid of the IRS because it is a prime example of a government agency that is too large and doesn't work and is a waste of money.

[GostHacked]

He doesn't want to end taxation. Geez...How would he get paid? haha. He simply wants to get rid of the IRS because it is a prime example of a government agency that is too large and doesn't work and is a waste of money.

He is also saying that the IRS is unconstitutional and there is no Federal Law that states you must pay taxes or be jailed.

Trex

Lou may not be always right but he is very outpsoken. I thought he was going to have a socialist meltdown in his "War on the Middle Class"

I have watched many of Lou Dobbs reports. It is amazing how he points out the flaws in many areas. He has important information that needs to get out there.

[buffycat]

Hi GostHacked,

Just wondering if you have heard about the FBI raid on Liberty Dollar - apparantly in response to the issuing of Ron Paul coins.

I know you follow his campaign - interested to your thoughts of the FBI doing this. To me - if it were really a 'money' matter would not the treasury be involved? So, is this simply harrassment on the part of the FBI? Regulated State Stealing perhaps? What of all those people who have ordered their coins, or have deposits?

Interesting - from a frightful point of view.

Google results - so you can choose which to read!

[Sulaco]

He doesn't want to end taxation. Geez...How would he get paid? haha. He simply wants to get rid of the IRS because it is a prime example of a government agency that is too large and doesn't work and is a waste of money.

It is, IMHO, one of the most effective and efficient agencies in the Federal Government. Thus one of the least liked. They are good at going after the cashola.

[Sulaco]

He is also saying that the IRS is unconstitutional and there is no Federal Law that states you must pay taxes or be jailed.

Trex

I have watched many of Lou Dobbs reports. It is amazing how he points out the flaws in many areas. He has important information that needs to get out there.

And that places him in the kook camp.

[Guest American Woman]

I get the impression that many of the people who support Dr. Paul are left-leaning for some reason. I have nothing to prove this impression, just the tone of the posts I read.

Yet, he seems to be very much a right-wing politician, even if he is against US involvement in foreign wars.

Just thought I'd let you know that your impression may be correct. My daughter just told me that a lot of her liberal friends are supporting Ron Paul. Says "they all LOVE him." I have to say it surprised me. I too think he seems to be very much right-wing.

[Canadian Blue]

Ron Paul isn't extreme right wing, that's a pretty broad misperception. The best way to describe him would be libertarian, he just wants to get the government out of peoples business.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ron Paul isn't extreme right wing, that's a pretty broad misperception. The best way to describe him would be libertarian, he just wants to get the government out of peoples business.

Agreed...Dr. Paul is only about 100 years too late. He can blame FDR's "new Deal" if it makes him feel better.

[buffycat]

Well Dr. Paul's Tea Party fundraiser went VERY well!!

Move over John Kerry!!!

The Ron Paul (Fundraising) Revolution

Move over John Kerry, the best single-day primary fundraising record no longer belongs to the prodigious money-collecting machine of the man who won the 2004 nomination.

Ron Paul is now the champ.

Kerry collected $5.7 million on one day in 2004.

Paul collected more than $6 million Sunday. And, unlike Kerry who raised his money from big donors on the day after he won the key primaries that secured him the Democratic nod, Paul is raising his money when it could actually help his quest for the Republican nomination.

****

WhooooooHooooo!! Fantastic!

REAL people opening their hearts and wallets! Ron's message is getting around!!

Maybe democracy isn't dead in Yankville afterall!!!

Congratulations to the few PATRIOTS left in the US! Well done!

Dr. Paul is the Man!

[buffycat]

For those truly interested in Dr. Paul and his platform below is a link to a two part 30 minute tv special which will air Dec. 22 and 23 for the Iowa vote.

Listening to the words of Ron Paul himself will go alot further than what a few partisan hacks here have to say.

Ron Paul TV special for Iowa Part 1

Part 2

I gotta say about the only thing I disagree with him on is the abortion issue. Though IMO abortion is wrong - I still believe in a woman's right to choose - but NOT for late term abortions, only for first and partial second term (up to about four months). I know that's arbitrary, but I don't want to see the backroom hacks mutilating and killing women as it was when all abortion was illegal.

Outside of that, which IMO is rather minor, this is about the only candidate (esp. among the Republican ranks) which has any kind of integrity and honour.

[Michael Hardner]

Not to cast aspersions on Mr. Paul, who seems to be just another fringe libertarian, I don't like this happenstance one bit.

New media is susceptible to rising stars, which is sometimes good (Kennedy - Television) sometimes bad (Hitler - Radio) and therefore, bad.

The system needs change - that's why Ron Paul is popular - but it would be better for someone to marshal a graduate change, rather than a sledgehammer. I fear that that's what we're in for in 2012.

[buffycat]

Not to cast aspersions on Mr. Paul, who seems to be just another fringe libertarian, I don't like this happenstance one bit.

New media is susceptible to rising stars, which is sometimes good (Kennedy - Television) sometimes bad (Hitler - Radio) and therefore, bad.

The system needs change - that's why Ron Paul is popular - but it would be better for someone to marshal a graduate change, rather than a sledgehammer. I fear that that's what we're in for in 2012.

I don't think that the 'internet' is to blame - I think you are taking a shoot the messenger stance. Also, with the rise of radio and television there were those who controlled the messages sent - iow, vested interests! The internet - thank goodness does NOT work that way - hence you are comparing apples and oranges? Or sour grapes and cheese??

Have you even listened to or read anything that Dr. Paul actually has to say? His own words, not the 'opinion' piece of someone who may have vested interests in opposing some of the ideals which Dr. Paul has put forth?

Dr. Paul is not just popular because the system needs changing Michael, but because he is the only candidate that is speaking some hard truths about the dire situation which America finds herself in - much to the woe and chagrin of many Americans.

I think your analogy is flawed and you have put the cart before the horse - it is not due to the 'internet' that Paul is gaining grounds - it is due to the supporters and patriots, Americans sick and tired of the BS out of Washington using the available means to communicate with others of like mind - Democrat and Republican alike - that there is an alternaitive to the current corporatist/globalist cabal which has infiltrated every level of the Federal government within the US. To quote Dr. Paul - turning the Administration of the US into a 'soft form of fascism', where corporate interests control the strings of government.

Edited December 24, 2007 by buffycat