Army Guy

Poser: I have no problem with any group speaking out for improvements in afganistan, in fact the more the merrier. Also keep in mind i did not write the article just posted it, and those speaking out on the RAWA are ex RAWA members. That statement is kind of two faced is it not, i mean you have been for weeks discrediting DND and all of the work that our military has been doing in AFGAN. My intention was not to discredit your only source but to show it's not an end all to be all source. The link is not that damaging actually, it does report tha good and the bad. Now i'm a monkier, last week i was a murderer and prisoner abuser, i guess i'm moving up in the world.. I actually aplaud these women and thier fight for freedom , And no where in my post did i say they should be silenced, what i did say is they had nothing good to say about anything, when conditions have actually improved in thier country instead of giving some form of credit all they do is find fault. Much like yourself.. Oh and i just want to add this little tidbit since you brought it up, that the men and women of this country have been fighting and dying for it's freedom since the early 1800's. The same men and women that you have spent so much of your time trying to discredit...

I think the RAWA needs to give credit where credit is do, i've been to there site and they have yet to report anything postive about anything....Using some of your own sources you are so fond of this is what the RAWA had to say about life under Taliban rule....pretty grim... RAWA RAWA And yet under NATO command conditions for the most part have improved over 500 % but no thank you no acknowledgement, just finding more faults this time about NATO... I found this article, about the RAWA, describe as a dramatic and militant afgan feminist group. report on RAWA.

Poser; Actually our treason laws are quit clear, And some of the Kadr families actions do fit our defination of treason. which leads to this question is why have they not been charged ? perhaps FTA lawyer can field that one. treason I think there is a concenus that NO canadian citizen should serve in Gitmo, so lets just say for sake of argument we do secure his release, then what, let him go, charge him with treason, revoke his citizenship. and what message do we send the rest of the world for each one of those actions...i mean letting him go to live out his days collecting welfare, would be inviting for a terrorist to apply for Canadian citizenship, would it not.. Sending him back to afgan would also be sending a message that we do not tolerate is actions here in Canada.

Figleaf: The action that we have taken todate has been very sweeping, keep in mind NATO has just gotton serious about the south last year, already the taliban have been pushed out of areas altogether, or pushed to the sides. although still there it's in small numbers and they now longer control these areas. SO by 2009 anything can happen. Well according to the senators report we can't, but they under estimate our militaries will to get the job done....Yes under current levels the job is not imposiable it will just take longer to achieve. as for expenses more cash is needed from every where, but in the same token they need a means of distributing it, perhaps instead of cash, equipment can be purchased such as entire water and drilling systems, construction equipment, ambulances, fire trucks, etc etc. it's hard to scim profits off equipment already purchased, then delivered to a location. Truthfully it's all a pipe dream until more support is given to the mission, with out it , it will, as all issues fall off the fore front and onto yesterdays news pile....meaning all our effort, cash, and lives will be for nothing... And we will be discussing the next new fad or mission, and why we are there, sounded like a good idea at the time, what we need is to pick a mission and stay focused... And the people of Canada have to come to the conclusion that making peace, or rebuilding a nation is not a fast food service, it takes a very long time bils of dollars, and lots of lives...and if we are not willing to invest all that into each mission then we should concentrate on strictly defending our nation, it would be alot cheaper in the long run...

Figleaf: Sorry,i was rushed by some real life problems, A win for me, would mean seeing western forces starting to pull out because the security sitation would allow that, See locals in the market with out automatic wpns would be a good sign, it would also mean allowing more emphisis on the re constrution side. i think the most important aspect is getting the government depts large enough to run there own areas of responsiabilty, which would allow them to deal with other problems such as the drug trade and warlords. I know this is hard to see with everything in the news , but everyday we are making progress just recently a unescorted media team has operated in the area around op madusa, without incident lucky or not it is a sign that this once Taliban dominated area is no longer controled by them. It's also going to be harder to see any progress this spring when the fighting resumes, i still think the Taliban are still a large concern in the south, and more fighting is expected. but they can not maintain this level for long periods of time... So my time frame for seeing marked improvements will be around 2009. As for how long it will last after western forces pull out, is just a guess, Afgan still has alot of major issues to deal with before it starts to become stable...Pakistan is one, the drug and war lords is another. Those issues will also take years to solve but if we pulled out now we will never see peace for some time... She has cliamed to have served in our countries military, to gain credibility on this forum, and to her outragous cliams. What proof do i have, there is lots of proof in her postings, for instance basic knowledge of how the military works, the regulations, lengths of postings, certain military postings "ie posts or bases" things that every basic soldier is taught and is expected to remember are just not there. Someone who spends a good portion of thier life learning a trade or a job, should remember the little things, and military training , trust me you do not forget, i've been doing this for 26 years and i still remember my basic training very clearly... Hence why i call her a poser, as that is what she is...posing as a military member, taking advantage of a the reputation that was earned by others thru hard work and great sacrifice... Is it again'st the rules i do not know..by the same token is it again'st the rules to proclaim something you are not... DO i like the fact that she is making these claims no not really, does it bother me, yes, but it does not keep me up at nights. i think i can handle it i'm a big boy, eventually everyone will see her for what she really is, a poser...

Here is some movement from our government. I'd like to add that it is good to see movement from the banks and others on a postive note as well. My Webpage

jbg: I would'nt worry to much about her, she has posted niether qty or quality, in fact she makes it up as she goes along.

Do we really owe this kid anything, at what piont do you stop being a Canadian citizen, where do we draw the line a revoke citizenship... And what to we do with this kid if our government does secure his release from gitmo.. KAdrs

Poser: Those numbers are not for the week but for the entire year....thats 2 entire roto's , and in case you missed it the first time i posted it's 365 days.... edmonton sun Actually numbers are down because the taliban have taken thier winter break. perhaps you can give us a link proving the numbers are up, What you mean is they increase over major operations such as madusa...go figure.. this has nothing to do with the old ROTO, read the damn news ....yes we are ready to go home, but we are well aware we are not done yet...but you've never been in combat what gives you the qualifications to judge any of these troops. why is it all your links have nothing to do with Canadian soldiers. Stop painting all NATO forces as the same. This is bullshit, i was on mudusa, and spents days on end killing these bastards, stepping over the dead, and smelling thier rotten stinking bodies, and although i never counted them personally they were every where, and most, if not all died fighting us... but because a reporter says it so , one that probablly never stepped foot on the battle field it must be true...but one one of our nations soldiers says something it's disregarded as government retoric and is dismissed...I can feel the love...give me a hug..

Figleaf: At our current state i think Afgan is still very winnable, I wish i could say, Bosina took over 16 years and this is far worst than that. to speed things up i really think NATO needs to step it up with more troops. Thats hard to say as well, maybe a year, the taliban are not that strong to pull that off right away, i think a major war or drug lord would step into that vaccuum.

Poser: Your piont would be what ? let me make it for you...only two civilians have died this year in accidental shootings by canadian soldiers, out of the thousands of checks and fire fights we have been in.... and over 10 have been wounded thats out of 365 days of combat.... When have i or any other military member on this board said we are above the law, or approach ...don't talk about Canadian standards this nations military wrote that book, we live that book every day here ...don't preach to me behind your computer safe and sound ...the same security that big bad men that are in our military provide you and your ilk. what i did say is that if you don't trust those same people that provide that security then it's time for you to pack your bags. If this is really how you fullfil your time slandering those people that have sacraficed so much and have asked for nothing in return except your support ...i think you really need to get laid...instead of slandering those who you claim to be once part of... personally it's time for me to come home, not because i do not believe in the mission, not because i'm sick of you and your kind draging my name in the mud..not because i tied of your whinning about every little thing...but because my tour of duty will be coming to an end very very shortly. Canadian soldiers have nothing to be ashamed of we have carried out duties well above any standards set by our nation, NATO and the conventions of genva. We've assisted a nation in re building itself, helping bring peace to the southern half of afgan, what have you've done in the last 6 months poser...

Poser: The key words in that statement are accused, not tried or convicted, just accussed. You have already made your mind up and have already convicted them. Why is that. This is your statement is it not ....What proof do you have, give me a link...give me a source...you don't have one or the findings would already be in the press....without proof you got shit...just false statements slandering the good names of those with balls enough to do a job aour country has asked them to do... And then you contradict yourself by posting your 2 and half of your post.... so which is it are we abusing prisoners or detainees or not make up your mind.... At the beginning of the mission we were handing over POW's to the Americans...the Canadian public freaked out after the stories came out of US prisoner abuses and they demanded we not hand any more to the US...infact it was decided to hand them over to the Afganis people ,thier elected government...since we are not equipped to handle POW's we hand them over to the Afganis, now your complaining about how they abuse approx 30 % of thier pows...perhaps a nice beach house in the bahamas, or better yet ship them to Canada. What you forget is these scumbags are responsiable for terriable crimes against humanity and all you can do is shed a tear for them...and shout poor bastards we want answers......Yes, prisoner abuse is bad but there is always two sides to each story and your only telling one....so i'll ask you if you were forced to watch the execution of your father or serveral family members for the crime of talking to NATO soldiers would you be so forgiving...would you be demanding those responsiable be treated fairly, shit they have to arrive without a scratch or there are inquiries launched, and our own countrymen demanding heads on a pole.... They are making judgements without all the info, assuming we are guilty because more than 10 years ago, a few men beat and killed a somolia teenager. for which DND has paid that dept off in full...don't trust your own military or government then you should be singing another tune, or packing your bags....I heard france is nice. I 100 % agree with Alexandra final comment...put up or shut the F###-up.

I'd like to know "how many of you guys have started to dig your Nuk shelter yet" ...I for one are convinced that the us and israel leaked a highly secretive plan to bomb Iran back into the stoneage. I got shovels here going cheap...anyone... where did i put that damn tin hat again...WILMA....

Sorry for not being a little clearer, it's not life insurance, the military has it's own life insurance that covers war zones, and for about 70 dollars a month your covered for a max of 1/4 mil. most soldiers are required to have it before going on tour, although some do not... What we are talking about is insurance agains't your mortage, or veh loan etc..you pay an extra fee which entitles you for a pay out of your loan for accidental death. On my loan papers there is no mention of a war zone clause, just accidental death ie car accident etc. My wife is reading through our papers now, and has phoned our insurance company and our bank is covering it, but is going to revise it's contact in the future. My problem is petawawa is a small town and DND is the primary employer, and everyone knows this including those that are selling these for a "few dollars more you can get accidental death coverage policies"...which is a good thing when in my profession....and when asked if it is good in a war zone, the quit happily say yes...whats the odds a claim will be made....But like my policy the wife had to wait serveral hours for them to ensure we where covered.... I guess my bitch is, it is not being made clear.... up front that soldiers are covered only when not soldiering, or what we can do or not do, for instance i'm i covered here in Canada doing SAR , forest fires, ice stroms etc...Making preps for my death was something high on my list, and alot of those serving are assuming they are covered when they are not, hence why the panick.

I was shocked to read this in todays news, and it has me scrambling to check my own issurance... but this is not about me, it is about the spouses that have lost thier life long partners in combat...only to be told that these banks will not cover thier issurance claims, these same banks that have recorded record profits. I hope that this gets the same coverage as the alleged prisoner debate. army wifes.

Poser: And what actions are those poser ? perhaps you can give us an example, of how Canadian soldiers are emmulating american soldiers. Do you have proof of such a retarded remark ? do you have proof that prisoners or detainees captured by Canadian soldiers and then handed over to Afgan auth where tortured or mistreated...if you do then send that info to one of the inquiries, or that lawyer in ottawa...he could use some more TV air time. Again more unfounded and false remarks...but then again that is your trade mark is it not, making unfounded and false remarks...i think you need a boyfriend or girlfriend what ever your choice to consume more of your time, instead of making these false accuastions and tarnishing the good name of countries soldiers. your the one making these tall tales up in order to be heard on this forum, have you tried knitting.

BayLee: WOW, you mean you climbed out of your tree, just to type that, you sure put a lot of thought into that response. You must have ran out of mushrooms, or those big bad loggers shook you out. Either way i'm sure glad you graced us with more of your friendly banter. I'm sure you can string a few sentences together and enlighten us on our sorid past, hell maybe you can even figure out how to use that google feature and give us a link or two...I'm curious to know how you come to the conclusion that the actions of a few men, over 10 years ago, have determined the fate and dishonour of over 59,000 Canadian soldiers serving today. I'm beginning to think you don't like soldiers Bayleaf, maybe it's something in the mushrooms. Or maybe your not getting enough sleep, are you waking up in the middle of the night in cold sweats, dreaming of the sounds of chainsaws and trees crashing to the ground. Yes i did say "thier lifes", joining the military is a choice, in fact the military allows us to make lots of choices including the one to serve in Afgan or for that matter any combat zone or operation...We are not the mindless robots you paint us to be. Just Canadian citizens that have made the choice to serve our nation. Perhaps your ideas of doing something noble with your life is not the same as mine or the others that have chose to serve. But because you don't understand "why" we chose to serve our nation, does not give you the right to mock us. You have made some very generized remarks, painting us all with one brush, much like i have with you by suggesting anyone from BC is either a tree hugger or logger, thats not debate but a dick measuring contest. You want to debate then fine, you want to sling mud, i can do that to.

No it may not be totally free, but it may be worth a look. below is a link that does a very extensive review on affordability, etc etc...and although the Canadian education system does not fair out that badly it still places us at number 11 out of 16 countries surveyed, and places those countries with "free edcation in the top third. And with our government continuly posting huge surpluses it might be worth some of our tax dollars. Could this also solve some of our other problems that we as a nation face as well such as lack of trained medical personal, or other jobs we as a nation have a shortage on? global education rankings.

polynewbie: Never thought i'd say this but i think poly is on to something, Education is the key, but here in NA it is becoming more for the wealthy than it is for the general mass. I've read in a post here a long time ago that education including higher education is provided free of cost to all citizens in certian countries. a few nordic countries have such a system, such as finland. Why would such a system not work here in Canada ? free education.

BC chick: Perhaps you back up some of your wild claims with some crediable links. I'll take a few minutes a discliam a few of your pionts. - also reject homosexuality. are you suggesting that all liberals except homosexuality or are you saying all Conv are homophob's Homo's - also believe that war is the answer for most conflicts.... well according to our history that includes the boar war, wwI and II korea,kosovo, afgan..How can you make that claim ,when there has been a liberal government at the helm for most of our nations conflicts. in fact there has been over twice as many liberal governments involved in conflicts than any other government in our history... So who is really the war mongers here... also believe (many do anyway) in capital punishment....check out the vote count on bill C-68 to abolish capital punishment and you'll find alot of liberals voted to keep capital punishment as well....or were they really convs waiting to cross... also believe in catering to the nation's powerful..... and past liberal schemes and boone dogles will support this 100% give me a break.... So pass me those mushrooms and lets make a list of liberal traits ....anyone...

Baylee: Your not looking for a debate but trolling, you've made a retarded comment looking for a retarded response. so you could sit there, in your chair behind your computer and feel superior, with king like qualities to pass judgement on those you feel are beneath you. Or perhaps it is envy or jealousy that clouds your judgement. Jealous that these men and women, are actually doing something noble with thier lifes, bringing peace to nation, assisting in rebuilding it from the ground-up, and you can't stand the fact that you have to look-up from your postion in life just to catch a glance at them. Either way, you were not there, you do not have any of the facts, nor do you have the qualifactions to pass judgement on those rare cases where Canadian soldiers have killed innocent civlians, Nor do you have the right to slander any soldier for thier decisions made in combat.

Poser: Actually everyone that is picked up on the battlefield is a prisoner of war, and all are handed over to the Afgan authorities. where they will face a trial or investagation to determine thier status...Detainees are those that are picked up in sweeps or raids not on the battle field, IE like the bomb builder, these personal are also handed over to the afgan authorities unless Canadians determine they are just civilians, in which they are released. One of our mandates is to assist Afgan authorities in thier operations, so we do pick-up suspected taliban members, bomb builders, raids on drug lords etc etc. unfortunitly sometimes Civilians are picked-up and then released due to bad intel, or what ever. We've already had this debate, Canadians did not want us to hand them over to the US, it was decided to hand them over to the Afgan government. We do not have the personal to run a detention facility nor do we want the hasle of what that brings... I don't know why he would say that, but you can call it what ever you want...when they issue me unlimited ammo, and a ROE that allows me to use it, then i call it a war....

The media is not to blame for pouring fuel on the fire , how so, they've published a story with only half the facts, they leave it up to the reader to fill in the blanks. Attaran sent the information to the Military Police Complaints Commission, a civilian-run body that investigates complaints. Stanley Blythe, a spokesperson for the chief of staff for the commission, said the commission received the complaint a week ago. It alleges Afghans in custody were mistreated and that the military police failed to deal with it. It only recieved the compliant last week, again he done what he thought was right, and reported it, what would Attaran have to gain by going to the press other than personal gain, i mean i could see if the commision had sat on it for months but the just got the complaint last week... What info, DND had already sited most of the info was to be censored to MR. Attaran, it would also be cnesored to the press as well. so what new info did the press have , nothing other than what Mr Attaran has provided them...which at this piont is one sided as the investagation has not been completed, it's only a week old... No it is not, your making a big leap there by suggesting that those injuries were made during an interrogation. that would be torture....the same leap mr Attaran has suggesting...but all 3 of these men where noted that they did have marks and bruises on them after capture....and before interrogation... it is also noted that they were uncomplaint and extremily belligerant, if it takes 4 men in battle gear to subdue one man then there is a problem, and is going to result in some marks and bruises if not broken bones....it should also be noted that they were still extremily belligergent after they were zapped strapped... i'm sorry but if you head butt me or bite me, kick me while i'm loading you on to transport, your going down, and going down hard...hand cuffed or not, and at the end of the day you'll find yourself loaded on the transport. We do not use city cop rules here, there is no watch your head while you get into the car...the prisoner sets the tone, cooperate and your trip will go fine, mess with the bull and you will get both horns...until you play nice...

pass the mushrooms i think this is going to get good.

Actually the rules of egagement are very liberal compared to others we have been forced to use. Lethal force can be used if it is percieved that your life is endangered. That covers alot of ground... Prisoners serve alot of functions, remember these guys want to die killing us, it's a big moral boaster for us to haul one of these fanitics off the battle field screaming like a bady, it also is a big moral deflater for the taliban to see the same thing. They know they are not going to end up in Canadian pow center but a Afgan one, and that scares them.. Once they figure out we are going to treat them half decent they tend to offer alot of good intel... Following the genva convention is what separates us from them.. Remember the only difference between a dead enemy and a pow is the split second decission a Canadian soldier made to shoot or to check fire. Thats it...remember the ROE's it is if you percieve your life to be endangered that would cover just about everything... As for them taking prisoners has not happen to date, because we never operate in small groups, we always ensure we have the upper hand..be it numbers or superior fire power.