Army Guy

In your mind only, if it was murder then feel free to pursue that in a court of law, you've failed to prove your piont to the other readers , but then again it's not a piont but your opinion........And one day you to will have an epiphany and come to the conclusion that War is an ugly thing, and both sides have blood on their hands.... I've learned to live with my ghosts long ago....And still willing to answer the call of this nation. which will proably mean making more ghosts...

No the terrorist targets the 5 year old intentionally, the 5 year old is the mission. it is his intention to make a statement through this kiling..... Military targets.... military targets only, collateral damage is the result of a strike gone wrong....their was no intention to kill innocent civilians. I've ask you before to provide a source that backs up your statement, and you've failed...it's murder in your mind only..... Time to stop stepping up for these scumbags time to choose sides.....

I think your misreading your quote....Drone strike are authorized at the very top of the food chain....do you see obama signing off on a strike that they don't even know the targets name, no there is a full brief before auth is given.........CIA are the operators of the drones, they don't need to know who the targets name ....just a picture to id the target , and some intel like where they'll be etc etc...then pull the trigger....Nobody is just hosing the area down and hoping they kill a terrorist....

Tell that to the victims of these crazy bastards....

Terrorist attacked that plane to make a political piont.....thats what they do.... US drone strikes had a military target on hand, the 5 year old was colateral damage.... Again you fail to grasp the piont here, one that is clearly spelled out in all the laws, genva conventions, etc......colateral damage is the word invented to discribe innocent civilians killed in a conflict.....they were not intentional targeted but a spill over from the attack.... it's been part of the conflict since man picked up his first club....

Terroroist are defined by their actions....once you comit a terrorist act then your a terrorist for life....What i was infering to was not all attacks carried out by the taliban were terrorist in nature , that is those carried out on the military....

You are responsable to follow the rules of law govnerning war, deliberate targeting of civilians is again'st those laws, however, if they are mixed then all measures should be taken to limit civilian cas....Take a look at D Day, towns and villages in France that housed enemy units were bombed and shelled did it kill innocent french civilians hell ya by the hundrds....was it illigal no.....War and peace time are different and should not be compared....also military and police rules of engagement are very different.... is not what i'm saying genva convention state that all measures should be taken to limit civilian cas.....it does not state that it is illigal, but rather limit..... And yes it applies to terrorist as well if they are going after military targets.....but that type of attack does not get the same attention, or have the same policitical message as blowing up a market full of strickly civilians....which is the key difference here....Terrorist are just targeting civilians ....NATO is attacking a military target , that has civilians around it.....I did not right the law .....that was done by our governments....

Are you kidding me.....Cops are held responsable for every life they take, but so is the hostage taker. But then again they are not at war are they....

It is not the goal but the side effect, asking someone to legally kill another human being, changes a man or women inside to the piont they are not the same person. It is this side effect that we as a nation are trying to deal with now. But has no impact in the decission about going to war. The Invasion of Afghanistan was planned in detailed, and when you invade another country, that is what happens it creates a human wave of refugees and people die....And while it did create a alot of refugees it was by far the largest ever seen by man.....sorry history says over wise. The numbers don't have to make sense, it is the result of Osama's actions....like i said before there is no score board, just objectives to be achieved, one of those objectives was to capture Osama destroy his merry band of thugs, and remove the taliban from power....regardless of cost... Of course if you looked at it they way you do, Osama intention was to draw US military into a fight in afghanistan was flawed when it came down to mathimatics did it not....But he must of also known that this act would claim the lives of his little force and many innocent civilians.....It is in my opinion that he did not care what it cost Afghanistan or his muslim brothers, he wanted to become famous as the ONE that struck back at the US.....He got his wish....and everything he built has been destroyed his body dumped at sea.....and the only virgins he's got are swimming with the fishes..... As for the orgins of the taliban , like i said before they were already est, well before the ISI got ahold of them. http://middleeast.about.com/od/afghanistan/ss/me080914a_3.htm

The decision to use a drone attack is done at the highest level of Government....Is that what you want a few tears....they appoligize, they offer compinsation, but really what can you do for these people once they've killed a family member , what can you say or do to make that pain go away....nothing ........and yet the war goes on......as cold as it may sound it is what happens in war, inocent people make up the bulk of the deaths in war....

Sure it was i mean Bin Ladin was pissed at the US, for interference into middle eastern problems, but what had the US done to Bin Ladin to warrent such an attack....It was a terrorist attack plain and simple.....but by that logic i can round up a bunch of lunatics and launch attacks again'st muslims if i wanted to ......just because ... would that be right....would someone on some forum be defending my cause...come on....thats the best you got....

Gost the CIA operated the aircraft, they may have not known the target for security reasons, but i can assure you this the drone operators can read the tag on your underwear, in a over cast day.....they can deliver a hell fire missle onto a lonnie size target....

Can you Show me one drone strike that was intentional launched to kill inocent civilians.....I have hundrds of examples of attacks that extremist directly attacked their own people to make a policitcal statement.....

Like i said before it's easy for others to judge when they sit in their homes in a nation like ours , were we have everything a man could want....living by our morals and values....everything is perfect....But when you are submerged in combat you become that monster, or you don't survive....you do what it takes to get back to your loved ones, we train constantly to become soldiers, on paper targets, electronic sensors that tell you if you scored a hit....but live combat is different and it changes everyone exposed to it....you can call it arrogance all you want, but until you've experienced it you will never understand it regardless of how many books you've read.... Your right i'm not the first soldier, or the last to experience war up close and personal, but it was me that decided to answer the call of our Nation. It was Canadian soldiers that answered our government request to carry out what needed to be done which was to bring the taliban and terrorists regimes to it's knees, remove them from power....WHY did we do that ....well over 3000 inocent lives were lost that day in 9/11 during a terrorist attack....That sir is an act of war, and had to be answered for.... The taliban did not hand over Bin Ladin or dismantle his organization that planed and carried out this attack did they ? ....and why would they, shit Bin Ladin's merry band was incorporated into their military system.....still busy fighting the northern alliance..... ISI did not invent the taliban, it came to be just after the russian departure under Ahmed Shah Massoud, the taliban was well establish before the ISI began its funding, and training....Google is a wonderful thing.... When the US lead coalition landed that day to start military operations they did not go in with the mandate to kill just 3000 to even the score they went in to Capture bin Ladin destroy his terrorist organization, and as a bonus ,remove the taliban and the rest of the terrorist organizations within that country. And in doing so Yes Refugees became a problem, but you also forgot to mention the great effort that the Coalition went to to feed them, house them provide medical support.....and yes tens of thousands have died....80 % of those by the taliban and terrorists orgs own hands... You see you forget there is two sides to every story...not just those poor terrorists......Out gunned, out manned...but lets not forget who they are and what they stand for.... Russia did not build anything up in Afghanistan.....they wanted it to have more influence in the region to counter US influence in Pakistan.....and when they could not get there way they took the country by force and exicuted those in power in a military coup, and installing a new regime.... http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/asia/july-dec06/soviet_10-10.html. US coalition went in to destroy the regimes responaable for 9/11, and in doing so they new they had to assist in rebuilding a nation that would be a responsable one....and not sponsor every terrorist organization in the world.... Here we go again, why is it that Afghan has it's own form of democracy....not even close to what we in the west have....can you explain that one....

Yes we have learned alot from the taliban, you learn it to counter their tactics, or adopt them for you own use, it's done on both sides of the war in order to survive....I've tried to give you some insite on what it is like over there, but until you understand what war is , eperienced it's sights, smells, noises, it even has it's own taste, and feel....then you will never really understand.....Nothing ever good comes of war in the short term....and the price both sides pay is horrorific....That being said i'm not going to sit here and let some arm chair critic make judgements on me or my comrads....on something that is not a crime .....you have not earned that right....If you or anyone else can prove that war crimes did in fact happen by all means case that down...but you sir, are declaring something that is well BULLSHIT..... Holding those responsable for 9/11 is what the US government did....that is what good government does, protect it's citizens, sending a message to the world that if you attack the US, and it's allieds you are going to pay in blood......Lets not forget that over 20 Canadian citizens died that day as well....but that is a lost fact, to which bares nothing to Canadians, now anyways.....But i can remember boarding the plane for the second tour in Afghan, the base streets were lined with Canadians from all over the nation, with banners and signs that read "get some", kill them all, cheering as combat soldiers loaded the aircraft that would carry us off to war......They wanted revenge.....and our government gave it to them..... Russia did not do half of what we did for the afghan people, Russia did the things that would benifit Russia...and they did it at the piont of a gun.....Maybe you should read more on what Russia did for the country... Yes lets blame the US and the CIA for all the problems in Afghan, the fact that many of these groups did not even exist during that time frame is telling....IED's came for other terrorist in the middle east, raising it's ugly head in Israel, Iraq, when blowing shit up was all these guys could do.... not from the CIA....but rather terrorist that were schooled in WAR SAW pact countries, or midle eastern countries under influence from the bear.....Pakistan Intel May have assisted in funding, training etc... but they did not create jack shit when it came down to the taliban....that was all their idea.....more research need there.... The Taliban has been out of power for years. The current warlords which run the country are a bunch of corrupt thieves, and their policies are hardly different You mean like most governments......it is their culture , thier new government, Are they are not evolving as fast as you want them to, is that it...shit ...how long has our democracy been in place corruption free....let me see, never....

Lets get real here bombing funerals and rescuers isn't assassinating the next Adolph Hitler. That's about the weakest justification possible for war crimes. You continue to spew out it is a war crime......then give us a source show the readers that it is a crime provide a link to the genva convention that prove your claim.....High value targets are targets that the governments have decided that ALLIED lifes would be saved if they were killed or captured.....to attack a HV they do an assement and to determine whether or not the colaterial damge can be limited.....thats right Colaterial damge, thats what they call the accidental deaths of civilians.....you may not like it but then again thats what war is .... Targeting rescuers is something we learned off the Taliban....they would plant an IED on the road to create injured,, then detonate another bigger IED to kill the rescuers....sometimes this would go on 3 or 5 times.....they knew NATO soldiers would not ...leave their wounded to die, and would risk other soldiers to go get them.......So i really don't shed to many tears for dead terrorists.....and like i said before these guys spend most of their lifes running from town to town, so they don't know many inocent people....and even those that do attend know exactly what these guys are Terrorist......they know NATO strikes these events so why risk it.. Yes the media will make you cry and report that inocent were killed, when most of them were terrorist to start with....something like a Mob funeral.....how many inocents hang out with the mob.... The Taliban knew the US was not going to talk for very long, the US made threats of military intervention, and the Taliban said sure we will defend Bin Ladin, how did they make out..... Civilian cas, i already provided a source which states very clearly that the Taliban and other terrorist groups within Afghanistan are responsible for 80 % of those.......So the US forces on the ground were going around killing anyone and everyone reponsable fo a Max of 20% , subtract what Allied forces killed ....what in the Hell were the terrorist doing...... But this is not about the terrorists is it, this is about pionting a finger at US soldiers....Lets disregard every fact out there and blame US soldiers....for the deaths of civilians and there has been some rogue US soldiers and they are in prison or awaiting trial......dismiss the fact that the terrorist killed 400 % more civilians.....but then again cutting off little girls hands, shooting girls in the back of the head, stripping a old mans skinn of his entire body.....this is what you perfer to defend..... Comparing Russia's war in Afghan to the current on is like comparing WWII with Korea.....Russia exteriminated entire villages and towns....just because built airbourne mines to look like toys to kill children, ya these guys were hero's to....but then again that is who you stand behind........try doing some research....and they did not build jack shit unless it was to thier benifit.....Lots of Airbases, large military bases.....How many dams did they build to provide power to Afghan citizens, how many wells did they drill , schools, roads, highways, bridges.....ya the list gets alot longer and that is just Canadians , British and American forces built far more than we did....

that is war it has not changed in many years....if it means that killing of one high value target can save many more lives then yes i do.....what price would the allied paided for Hilter.....once again it is a war crime in your mind only, prove to the rest of the readers here it is a crime .....

Did he really , he attacked his victim from the behind......caught him off guard then hacked him to death......He's a fuking hero this guy.....who will get his in prison.....NATO plays god becuase it has the toys to do so.....Stealth is only good when you have radar....it does not make it invisable to the naked eye.....

Yes you can,...... Taliban had repeatily said they would protect Bin Ladin regardless..... So you talked to one refugee, pretty good at painting one entire group.....I've heard lots of men claim that the moon is pink, but the facts say different..... No they do not like foreign invaders but which one of those invaders pumped trillions of dollars into , trying to create something better..... Civilains being displaced is part of war, always has been.....but it does not mean we can sit by and let a rogue nation target inocents as they see fit....

funerals of top ranking officals will attract other top rank officals.....hey more targets....don't want to get a 500 lb up the ass then stay the hell away....it's as simple as that....let me ask you this question, who normally goes to funerals anyway....these top level targets normally don't have freinds not tied to the taliban because it is to dangerous .....inocents indeed...what law does it say these acts are murder and terrorism.....

Really ever seen a B-2 , spectra gunship, all are clearly marked in US colors....just because the fly at alt does not make they less of a target....are you saying because the taliban can't see them it's unfair....Hey is i was the taliban and seen any contrails i'd be hiding....

The rules of combat already take this into account High value targets can be engaged any where, all the rules of war say is civilian deaths are to be limited....

wether a declaration is made or not the rules of war must be followed or those forces may be charged as war criminals... Black water if unarmed are considered non combatants, those that are armed are consider combatants and subject to the rules of war. Black water has to be marked in some fashion, and carry wpns openily .....which they do.

So i guess it is all right to hide behind women and children , and to expect not to be engage because they know of our fear of shooting inocent civilians. hey as a soldier i can take the planting of IED's , bad guys shooting from schools, hospitals, crowded out door markets....risking the very lifes they say they are fighting for ....BS ....what i can't take is our own citizens feeling sorry for these pricks.... As home grown terrorist become more of a problem then we should be looking at our imigration laws and stripping these guys citizenship.....want to fight for the taliban, then here is your plane ticket, starting with the Khadrs ....

Genva , inter national laws are very clear, The reason a soldier becomes a legal target in a war zone is he clearly wears a uniform/ arm band , he carries a wpn openily fights under those laws and rules governing war.....etc etc..... anyone that fits this discription can be legally engaged with lethal force....go home take the uniform off, and you become a regular citizen , they do not carry a wpn openily, your not a legal target, killing anyone in this discription is murder, period.... The genva convention also has a section for civilians working for the military in a war zone...unarmed civilian workers are not legal targets, if unarmed, they can be captured and become POW's but that is all. Civilians that are armed may be engaged at will, also subjected to the rules of war etc..... Military pers in civilians to carry out intel or spec ops etc that have no paper work or id on them can be treated as spy's and can be shoot , once a trail confirms all of this....