Army Guy

Where was my head Marcus.....and here I thought I was following your example just a few posts up..... This is yours is it not, unless someone else is posting on your behalf.....but I forgot your standards are only for others to live up to. I can provide sources for my statement....if that is what it takes, unless you can prove they are not taught hate at all levels..... Conflict breeds hate on both sides marcus....And if you want to believe that this is just one sided then perhaps you can share your rose colored glasses with the rest of the world....

Let me ask this.....With all the problems the F-35 has had, is having, Is there another aircraft that can replace the F-35 sitting in the wings for the US military.....NO....is the F-35 going to be around for awhile....Yes....will it's problems be fixed ....Yes they have spent to much on it , to see it fail now..... So it does not matter what the critics say, Fu** no....This aircraft will be the US primary combat aircraft for some time....

Is that what you call it philosophical and factual flip side, with some sort of conspiracy that Angus and Rue have cooked up...You give yourself to much credit sir......Perhaps, maybe,readers are just tired of your lack of reading comprehension or understanding of the topic at hand, like trying to explain something to a 3 year old over and over again......there is no philosophical point in any of your remarks , unless you compare your self to some BC tree hugger .. there is very little "factual" anything in your posts, I was hoping it was your lack of reading comprehension, but you have changing the story lines and selling them as facts....here in New Brunswick we call it BS....In fact across most of the country it is called BS....You have not made any enemies here....just a few people who don't like the smell of BS....

What did you think was going to happen when all they are taught is to hate....it's taught in schools, the Mosque, at home....every where....

Your really reaching here.....NO 3 G network, the article says they do have communications but they are slow.....Defiantly a UN matter that should be looked into right away....I can not imagine a world without 4 G networks, this is a game changer....I can't wait to see whats next Big dog.....

Hey your entitled to an opinion , that is not my issue with you....my issue is when you make shit up to suit your argument or talking point.....you can't post shit with the intention of selling others to your ideas....... and have nobody call you on it.....you want to present facts then fine...do it....but when you post shit, prepare to swallow....

So let me get this straight, she was convicted of attempted man slaughter in a active conflict zone.....and had on her procession a knife.... I'd say the girl is lucky to be alive....Attempted man slaughter is a serious crime, she lucky the soldiers that arrested her had a lot of restraint, one does not get charged with this crime unless an attempt was made right.....she was lucky not to have been shoot.....These guys are soldiers they take the simple things like staying alive very serious.....Yes I get it she was 12 years old.....But when she is trying to take a life age means nothing, she is a threat, but you don't get that.....you refuse to see that part of it....so they roughed her up, most likely during the take down.......you know when they took the knife off of her..... Yes she was questioned, would you not want to know who put her up to it......so she was scared at the time.....but not scared enough to stop her from caring out an attempted man slaughter..... Sounds like her prison time was full of bad things......like singing songs, visits from relatives....she was not put in solitary, but with other kids her own age.... I

That is your whole problem, failure to fully understand the info presented to you....and to make up for this shortfall you fill in the blanks with your own twisted opinion to try and present some head lines that are false... Such as your opinion on Canada's PRT mission....to send 300 non combative soldiers into the Taliban heart land would have been a suicide mission , the Battle group that was sent along with that mission was for their protection, one can not start the rebuilding process unless the bad guys combat power has been minimized....It was part of the mission from day one.....but some how you twisted it to be mission creep.....Because it sells your position in a better light.... You say you remember the PRT mission can you name 4 projects that they completed.....can you remember the cost in life's of those projects, and what did they provide the Afghan people..... Same as this article your make a lot of assumptions and fill in the blanks......The US mission is the same one Canada has signed onto.....and those trainers are in Iraq....not Syria, but it sounds much better when you make shit up.....

Did you read the source that Big guy submitted, does that sound like a political crime to you..... D, arrested on February 9 near the illegal Israeli settlement of Karmei Tzur, was convicted of attempted voluntary manslaughter and illegal possession of a knife in a plea bargain by Israel's military court days after her detention. She was sentenced to 4.5 months in Israeli military prison, and completed more than half of her sentence.

Maybe you should try reading your own sources ..... "They’re not going to be leading the fight on the ground, but they will be essential in providing the training and assisting local forces that continue to drive ISIL back." The president will deploy an additional 250 Special Operations Forces to Syria to assist local forces in their fight against ISIS. This adds to the 50 personnel aiding fighters in Syria, bringing the total number of US troops in the country to 300. No where does it say they will to fight ISIS.......

So which countries are civilized, Are you aware that Canada incarcerates children, the results are the same. loss of freedom of movement.... Do we get a free pass.....

Because Irans treats it's citizens so much better, and this is the country we want to have ties with....or so says Big Guy.... www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2016/02/11/irans-unjustly-imprisoned-youth www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/19/iran-leads-world-executing-children www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/iran-juvenile-offenders-executed/

It is true that the entire NATO alliance can not provide any different Capabilities than the US already has. However what NATO brings to the table is Numbers , greater economic powers, Nations locations etc etc....Europe is not the only US concern it is but one of many. NATO gives the US the flexibility to do more with what it has... Every Battle group Canada had in Afghanistan is one the US did not have to provide. While our over all contribution may have been small , every drop into the bucket counts. and is important when looking at the global picture.

I personally see the sale as a good thing for Canada, I do however find it ironic that the governments present and past would welcome with open arms the sale because it provides jobs and employment for Canadians....And yet we can not arm our own military from the same company and do the same thing, with the added bonus of equiping our own military.

So it is alright to pay cancellation penalties because of a campaign promise such as EH101, but not because of some moral obligation. My comments was directed at current and previous governments.

Yes real change indeed , it is OK to allow another nation to purchase war materials because to keeps employees employed....at yet we can not invest in our own nations military to do the same...

I am truly amazing , but let me ask you this would this info not be more valuable if the government educated the public on all the areas of the survey, describing what is the current condition of the forces, why we are in our current defensive agreements, and what are the consequences both good and bad, on each topic.... or do you believe right now that Canadians are prepared to give educated answers to those complex questions being asked...So the info being collected is some what useful....

I agree with you 100 % that it is up to the serving government to make any policy it wishes while in office. Over the last 40 years Canada has had a reasonable Defense policy, be it a standing white paper, or Defensive agreements. Where the Danger lies is while they may have had those policies in place on paper.....Most serving governments have chosen to do little or nothing to ensure they live up to them. Where I disagree is your point on Canada having no foreign interests, Freedom of movement is one, such as protection from pirates or other nations on Canadian shipping, or aircraft traveling the globe. or part of an alliance that depends on Canada to move troops and equipment to protect others sovereignty IE NATO defensive agreements for example. By keeping outdated equipment past it shelf date, does not make sense for several reasons, It actually cost more to keep running, and to maintain. there is a high chance that it will be easily out class by our enemies, It puts our nations soldiers at greater risk...If Afghanistan showed us anything, it was this point how many soldiers would be alive if they had the proper equipment. And in knowing all that our government still decides to take on more and more missions. Missions that involve combat or placing soldiers lives at risk.... The fact that they are not equipped to do the job means squat to them, and to be frank, it means squat to way to many Canadians.... Now I would agree with downsizing the military if there was some control measures put in place to keep our government from sending them on missions beyond our capabilities...but there are now... What we do know already from previous surveys is 65 % of Canadians believe our forces are under funded, and only 35 % of them believe they are under equipped....This info has been presented to the current government.... But what the public does not know is the true state of our military, where vast fleets of older equipment sit rusted out and unusable, with no replacements in sight, the condition of it's logistical wheeled fleet is devastated, with perhaps 3 out of 10 vehs in operational condition, again no replacements in sight, LAV armoured vehs parked because there are to expensive to operate. Things only get worse as you look at the other elements..... It is in my opinion that if the public knew of this today, I think your survey would show very different results....And for a government that claims transparency , one would think it would atleast educate the public so they can make informed decisions on the survey....But if the entire project is to just get an uneducated results it is a waste of time, money and effort....which brings up the question WHY would a government not want an uneducated opinion ? why ask a survey that gets deep into the weeds and not want the public to atleast have a working understanding and know the consequences good and bad of each of their own choices....What value would you claim to gleen from this....

Perhaps I misunderstood your orginal post then..... "Then we shall make it so and bask in the glory of doing what the voters want." which sounds like hey if we want to stay in power let the voters make the hard choices....like national security, and let them live with it, if the complain we'll hold up the survey..... My question is do we solve complicated issues by what is popular....and what issues in this country are off limits....how about how much politicians are paid, and when do they get raises.....wait a minute, that would not go over very well would it...cancel last....because they would not leave their fate to public opinion would they.....just our national security....or what ever is next on the survey list....

Moonlight Graham : Hit the nail on the head, With the withdrawal of so many NATO countries from the region, along with they're funding....things are not looking good, even when they had the funding their government was very tardy on paying their troops.... Being a soldier in Afghan offers steady employment that is desperately needed in the region, but if they don't get paid regularly, and the bad guys offer a better pay check, that they need to feed their families...

lets run with your idea for a second, if 90 % of all Afghanis are killed by Taliban forces....and im using your logic here would there not be a massive uprising again'st them..... As for the younger generation not knowing the struggle, they have been in conflict for 40 plus years, every man, women, child, dog, goat, has known nothing but conflict.....

That's right big guy because that has been Canada's military secret all along to take over the country and run peaceniks up trees..... Then put your money where your month is, Answer the survey , with informed answers that could or might be policy, and publish it here.....Also if you may add the consequences for each action or comment...Or just take some of the harder questions to start.....

Sure if that's your idea of good governance, have at it.....Why even have a government, why not just a couple of guys that make up surveys.....cut back on all those wages..... Have you read the survey ?, can you answer all the questions, and provide response that could be turned into policy ?

Well, perhaps it your time to step up to the plate then, and try something....anything except chirping on how bad the other guys did.....I know... not how you role....

The point is NOT the giving Canadians opinion on any matter.....The point is what value would the info be, if the general public is not educated on the topic.... It is a waste of time if the government is not going to take 5 mins and explain or educate the public so they can make an informed opinion. Why is that such a hard idea to wrap your mind around..... If NASA based it's space program on the public opinion we would never made it into space...... Instead you and everyone else is pissed because someone has called a spade a spade....the General public are not educated on the topic to make any valuable input.....And if that is the case why bother with the Survey, if anything it will prove that fact Canadians are not prepared or educated enough on the topic to answer...... we will find out in the future on how much weight the current government puts on this survey.