Army Guy

We live in a nation were we have access to world class education, health care, access to the free market to purchase anything your imagination can think of. I can get a burger in under 5 minutes, or a 15 course meal. we can raise our kids in almost complete safety, we have plenty of job opportunities, our standard of living is second to none.....And with all that there is..... still some saying we can not share any of that, we can not use our resources to maybe change some of that.....because it is dumb and wasteful....

At the very most all you have here is that various US government agencies and US companies courted the taliban government to get a pipeline. That does not string together all the dots from courting for a pipeline to a massive leap, we are going to war, and we'll take a pipe line.... But what of the proof, the smoking gun....still nothing....no proof a lot of reading material from the same source , repeating it a million times does not make it true.... But what about reality.....US forces did invade, over threw the Taliban regime, help install a democratically elected government, stayed in country to assist the new government with security concerns, Spent bils, hundreds of bils on the conflict and in rebuilding the nation....Now here is a crazy point , why would anyone spend hundreds of bils to secure resources that cost half of that.... the reality is that there is still no pipeline built, never is going to be one, sure alot of people have spent funding for one, but the threat remains it is not secure enough to build much of anything .....And now the US is withdrawing or withdrawn most of it's combat power, still no pipe line, oh and still no mines to extract all those trillions in minerals either.....Now this may be a stretch but maybe , just maybe the US went in there to do exactly what it said it would, relieve the taliban from its control over Afghanistan, help stabilize it and move on....all with out building a pipeline, or digging up all those minerals...i mean actions speak louder than words.... Now before you say the US will come back later in the night for all that stuff, lets keep all this based in reality..... Unless you got another source that can be used as proof that the US, CIA , what ever agency went to war to gather a pipe line, and extract minerals then your theory is dead...and we can finally file this once again in conspiracy theories...area 51.

No, what i am doing is waiting for you to impress me with solid piece of evidence that makes your claims instead of news articles from i'm not sure where that do alot of talking but provides no evidence.........right now your running around squawking about a pipe line that never got built, in fact the powers to be built it just not through Afghanistan.....now there is also talks about a natural gas line it has been built , with once exception not through Afghanistan that was in 2016... So to even suggest that the US entered this conflict because of the pipe line is false and misleading.....it is so crazy to think that the US would spend multi bil dollars running a conflict when the return would be far less than that..... Who cares if the taliban is being wined and dinned bu the CIA, shit they talk to everyone .....But like i have said before it does not prove anything, as the vists have yet to be put into context.....you and your sources have yet proven the trips mean anything....papers, documents, conversations.....you got nothing except someone drawing a picture by following the dots and making guesses.... Most of your sources did not show up....maybe ,,,,maybe they have something in them.....If what you said is true ....then the evidence must be out there....but lets ask a question first......why would the US be playing multi sides, one with the northern Afghanistan , another with it's own forces, and now as you put it with the taliban ....sorry try again....prove it...

The key word here is MAY have.....when you press the link it does NOT give any evidence of such an activity.....it does imply and provide evidence that Pakistan's ISI was funding and running the show, not the US CIA..... And yet there is NO classified report......or it would have been splashed all over this web page.... please try again....maybe provide a copy of the report, or maybe ask the question why would anyone give a copy to Turkey to start with....

Yes , but the author is a retired Sqn commander, and we don't listen to anyone that may know something about this topic....bring in the liberal experts....anyone see that guy, some are now saying it is the night janitor.....some also say the CDS is on board....it's time to put him to pasture as well. One can not be a soldier and a politician at the same time...Pick a job , get off your knees and start leading our troops and what is best for them or step down, make room for real soldiers....

If this is where this conversation is heading I'm tapping out....now your taking a leap off the old conspiracy ladder, and i will not follow you down this rabbit hole.....

Just a question in regards to the minerals to the tune of 1 trillion dollars, this is what they think is there.....my question is this, how much of this trillion dollar has been dug out of the ground.....And if this was the reason the US got it self involved in a conflict in the first place why is everyone leaving Afghanistan, why leave a trillion dollars in the ground and then leave....nice conspiracy though..... Lets start with the first portion of your statement, you state that the US supported and helped the Taliban into power......Here is where i call bullshit, and you'll have to provide a source that clearly states that..... CIA and other US agencies supported a group called Mujahideen from 1979 to February 1989. Insurgent groups known as the mujahideen , The taliban don't step onto the stage until 1991....without any US support .......The next portion of your statement is you state they the US government was supporting the taliban because US companies were seeking OIL, and gas pipeline rights through Afghanistan..... Lets think about this for a moment OK i'm done once again i call bullshit see my last post on pipe lines....

Topic is made, some how i knew you would not have the energy to make it.

This topic has been beaten up and down a million times, with most agreeing to disagree....and yet some of the same old myths are still being passed as facts....so i'll bring up a few and someone else can fill us in on the others. Afghanistan was all about big oil, rumours had it Afghanistan sat on huge oil reserves, while it is true there are some oil dereks in Afghanistan, not enough to make it profitable or even bring in enough profit to show up on a GDP indicator chart...... It was all about a pipe line, fact is there is no pipeline, never was , never will be, because it presents a huge target that can not be defended, not by NATO, and Not by Afghanistan troops...now i never say never, but it would take a huge reliable source to convince me other wise.... . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmenistan–Afghanistan–Pakistan–India_Pipeline According to this source in 2016, No construction has begun in Afghanistan portion of the Natural gas pipe line http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/current-affairs/tapi-project-pact-inked-for-36200-mn-investmentstudies_6193081.html Which leads me to ask a few of those questions that might be deal breakers.....Why invest bils upon bils of not only military actions but also investments in Afghanistan's economy when there are no prospects of OIL or Gas itself, but instead a pipe line that ran through Afghanistan not starting in Aghanistan.....A pipe line that has since been built , around afghanistan....not through it....So Afghanistan would have received at best royalties for the pipe line routes....but enough to pay for all that security, all that other stuff that goes with a pipe line....enough to start a war over it....come on thats a big leap....

Like i said you build it and they will come.....

They were employed by DND during the Cons period of governance, That being said is nobody is saying the cons are innocent in this goat fu**, but to be fair, where was the oppostion in all of this, how much needless dirt was being flung around to create discourse among Canadians who love to play arm chair warriors....creating a vacuum of support , and with that gone hard for a government to push the project through to the finish line.

Conspiracies theories.....And if you want to debate the topic start one and i'll be happy to discuss these things with you....right now we are discussing US warnings to NATO members.....

No, I'm aware of any other reports, but then again this is CSOR, and it is under a veil of secrecy from the start. I'm not trying to deflect here, but DND does not fart without the government knowing what, when and how and everything in between of every minute of every day that DND is in business. So the question is ....what are we not being told and whom should those questions be directed at.

You may have jumped in the middle of a conversation without reading all the posts attached to it. Below is a remark from Impact that we have been discussing.....And my responses have been that the Canadian Government has a long history of deploying troops and equipment all over the world , with full knowledge of the consequences or not taking the advice from the military, knowing full well our Military is not suited for said missions. I have also pointed out that Canadian citizens really don't care if and when our government deploys it's troops, they talk a good game , but really this nation has on many occasions shown our government clearly without question it's dislikes and our government has listened for it's own survival....And yet nothing like that in regards to the Afghan mission, or the lack of equipment , or anything military really....unless you count Funding the military or purchases. So i asked him whom was going to ensure that our military does not get sent to shit holes in the future. It's not the government ...and it's not Canadians...then who....

I see it all the time, Canadians and our government have a huge distrust over anything regarding our military. Examples are the F-35, SAR aircraft, recent Truck contract .Dismissing any advice as useless, or not worthy of listening to.... Our military is one of the smallest in the west, and yet some how instead of having the best equipment known to save lives, we have as a nation deprived our military, of funding of purchases, of benefits, the list is endless....these are not the actions of a nation that really cares about it's military, now i have not even brought up our veterns, and that whole goat rodeo.... Canadians don't have the memory to hold anybody accountable for anything....If we did most governments would have fallen within the first 2 years....with the scandals numbering more than the fingers on our hands.... The mission in Iraq is over 2 year old now, and it has been marked by dozens of reports of solders being killed, or wounded in action, or other reports such as wearing Kurdish flags etc....and still our government still tells us we are not in a combat role.....When a soldier on the ground is wearing 2 full combat loads of ammo, More than 10 full mags of ammo in your Tac vest and another 20 mags in your go bag....It is a Combat environment, regardless of what our government says..... Here is the problem once Canadians shut down on a mission, it becomes harder for them to do their job.....because it does not stop unless the government says to....the only way that will happen is to force the government through direct action such as protests, writting our MP's etc....Remember Afghanistan went on for 10 long years, 6 of those with out the support of the people, and it cost soldiers lives.

Your statement is just myth , or an excuse not to fund our military properly.....The government as you so kindly point out have a long history of deploying our military around the globe to the worlds shit holes on a whim and a pray. It has a long history of deploying them "the Military"" without the proper equipment" The price our military pays, is the entire bill as it is taken out of DND budget which is under funded to start with, and then it pays with soldiers lives.....which can be bought for an amazing low price, one years wages and a military funeral....

Letter from former Gens of the airforce, is dismissed and brushed aside.....by liberal government... http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/retired-rcaf-generals-roar-in-protest-over-the-super-hornet-and-the-liberals-yawn

Like i said Who is going to control all of this, certainly not the government ...and the citizens well most do not even know they are there in Iraq, in Combat roles.....nor do they care really.....except when it comes to funding, then it is if they all speak in the same voice and tone, You don't need equipment....it is frustrating....to know actual conditions within the forces....and then listen to most citizens who are under the impression we are good shape......

And here we thought the liberals would never send out troops into combat, and yet here we are, another clear example of NOT being transparent...how many times do we have to be betrayed before we speak out.... http://m.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1445130-on-target-mosul’s-recapture-an-exercise-in-revenge

Well, if they mean nothing , and as you have told me before and they can not be used again'st a member in the future for any reason .....THEN WHY HAVE THEM ??????do Mods get gift certificates for how many the give out, I elect to opt out of this silly warning point game.

Has Smallc left, or was he asked to leave ?

wow....

I heard the weather this time of year is to die for....or was it to die in...can't remember......perhaps you can tell us why you think they are there for.?

Clear and sunny ways indeed......perhaps the PM is not as transparent as he said he'd like to be.....

I'm asking this question because it is not in the guide lines to the forum, and i have asked 2 out 3 mods and the explanation given does not make any sense ""This is what the mods have told me so far......I was told they "warnings" don't mean crap, they will not be used again'st you later for any reason by one mod,and the other did not say anything constructive at all..... So if they don't mean anything....why have them , why place a numerical value on them, why make them permanent, why have them glaring up at you in your profile page...as if to warn you on a daily basis that hey your one bad dude.....and should tread lightly ..... Does anyone know, or is this topic off limits for some reason.....anyone else having warning point issues, i'd like to hear about them.....