B. Max

The climate has alwyas been changing, but that is not even evidence of that and least of all, it is not evidence of man made global warming. It is however typical of the kind of nonsense we have come to expect from the corrupt UN.

Marx would have loved Kyoto. http://www.investors.com/editorial/editori...256176286615104 The simple reality is that no nation can continue to grow economically without its emissions growing. It is also true that Kyoto is a recipe for global poverty. The annual loss for the U.S., according to the U.N.'s own figures, could be as high as 1.96% of GDP. Today's $1.3 trillion economy would take a $260 billion hit every year — totaling more than $11 trillion by 2050.

Your right, they should be rounded up and marched off to the extermination camps herr 1967100.

Actually it's about twelve or thirteen. Most likely all climate modelers like James Hansen who has be caught falsifying the known US historical temperature records. To further prove that the enter man made global warming is a scam, we have the UN's own expert reviewers who can't even get the material they are suppose to review. Then alarmists trot out this kind of nonsense that ranges anywhere from 50 to a thousand a day yet can't name them. http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=37214

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Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources “Dear Prime Minister, - As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science. “Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which Canada's climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most prudent and responsible course of action. “While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no basis for mature policy formulation. The study of global climate change is, as you have said, an "emerging science," one that is perhaps the most complex ever tackled. It may be many years yet before we properly understand the Earth's climate system. Nevertheless, significant advances have been made since the protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases. If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary. “We appreciate the difficulty any government has formulating sensible science-based policy when the loudest voices always seem to be pushing in the opposite direction. However, by convening open, unbiased consultations, Canadians will be permitted to hear from experts on both sides of the debate in the climate-science community. When the public comes to understand that there is no "consensus" among climate scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of global climate change, the government will be in a far better position to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the environment and the economy. “‘Climate change is real’ is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural ‘noise.’ The new Canadian government's commitment to reducing air, land and water pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to ‘stopping climate change’ would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next. “We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It was only 30 years ago that many of today's global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it does not fit with predetermined political agendas. We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially important topic.” Dr. Ian D. 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Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), FRMS, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Dr. G. 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If you can't keep up with what's going on don't waste my time.

You don't know what you are doing. You understand nothing about any of it. You are simply one of the dupes of dooms day.

It is fact, something you won't recognize if it ran over you. ok, fact, show me where Gore said co2 precedes warming, why it is significant and substantive evidence of it being a lie so far, you've offered only your own claims -- see, proof is when you back your claims up - not when you insult the guy who points out your failure to make a point For proof of what Gore said watch is own science fiction movie. Or the great global warming swindle documentary. Direct observations from the last ice age Direct observations from the last ice age were not possible. We were not here. Temperatures and CO2 concentrations have been indirectly deduced from samples of air from former ages locked in the ice of Greenland or Antarctica. The results do not provide a basis for reliable estimates of the earth’s sensitivity to extra CO2: they show that increases in CO2 do not precede increases in temperature – they follow it. Petit et al. (1999) reconstructed surface air temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration profiles from Vostok ice core samples covering 420,000 years, concluding that during glaciation “the CO2 decrease lags the temperature decrease by several thousand years" and "the same sequence of climate forcing operated during each termination.” Using sections of ice core records from the last three inter-glacial transitions, Fischer et al. (1999) decided that “the time lag of the rise in CO2 concentrations with respect to temperature change is on the order of 400 to 1000 years during all three glacial-interglacial transitions.” On the basis of atmospheric carbon dioxide data obtained from Antarctic Taylor Dome ice core samples, and temperature data obtained from the Vostok ice core, Indermuhle et al. (2000) looked at the relationship between these two variables over the period 60,000-20,000 years ago. A statistical test on the data showed that movement in the air’s CO2 content lagged behind shifts in air temperature by approximately 900 years, while a second statistical test yielded a mean lag-time of 1200 years. http://72.14.253.104/custom?q=cache:6nykz8...841204415070352

It is fact, something you won't recognize if it ran over you.

Because the science said so, who are you referring to, James Dobson I'm guessing. Looks more like nonsense that guessing. Exactly what one always gets from the leftist man made global warming alarmist crowd. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...82-87381DE894CD

Easily done. Gore claims historic co2 levels precede temperature rise, when in fact they follow temperature rise by 800 years. Gore claims sea levels will rise by twenty feet while there are no scientists making that claim not even the UN climate panel.

Actually he outright lies.

Gore is an idiot, that is a fact. There is no man made global warming becaus the science says so.

That is not true. The ice core records show that co2 levels follow temperature by 800 years.

Remember the northern latitudes are expected to warm more than the global average (as they are doing at the moment). The warming by 2100 (given as 1.4 to 5.8°C in the new report) is the global average. The higher latitudes will probably be more than that. So they may be refering specifically to expected temepratures around canada. Northern temperatures have not been rising as the computer models predict. http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20514

Excuse my confusion. What happened at the Plains of Abraham? The french were defeated and over time they have been using corruption and blackmail to achieve what they were unable to achieve on the battle field.

Anything that takes away the prize for federal politicians is a good thing. The ability for politicians and actitist judges to exercise power they don't by doing end runs around the constitution and play one part of the country against the other needs to be stopped.

His post has nothing to do with Edmonton. In fact his post has nothing to do with anything. Look in the left column where he says he's from deepest darkest Alberta.

I thought there might be some use in showing how an organization with a somewhat different perspective from the lefties is looking at the facts behind global warming. http://www.grist.org/pdf/AbruptClimateChange2003.pdf That report is years old and is speculation based on a false assumption. Here go the jobs and peoples houses. Which is the objective of the screwball class. http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/displ...1300805.0.0.php

Why is it kinda like sun light shining on vampires.

From: Deepest, Darkest AlbertaThat would be Edmonton wouldn't it. Not quite sure I understand. stignasty Mar 12 2007, 02:46 AM Post #46 The Big Leagues Group: Members Posts: 434 Joined: 3-January 06 From: Deepest, Darkest AlbertaMember No.: 1456 Edmonton used to be a pretty good town until some of the most certifiable loonies of political correctness on the planet came to power on city council. A couple of the worst were Riemer and Gomberg, Gomberg who later jumped off a bridge down east somewhere and floated out to sea and was never seen again. These two, and there were others, are the two most responsible for driving all kinds of businesses out of Edmonton and causing many others to not go there in the first place. Riemer and Gormgerg actually made a pilgrimage to visit Fidel's island prison, and came back saying how wonderful it was to see everyone riding bikes. Of course failing to mention that it was not by choice. Anyways, it was a time that saw Edmonton become known as Redmonton and plunged the city into years of a socialist dark ages which to this day it has never recovered from.

sunsettommy' date='Apr 1 2007, 05:37 PM' post='203074'] Old enough to not waste any more energy on your nonsense. You gave yourself the run around.

I wouldn't worry to much about it. Gores twenty foot sea level rise will take care of them.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...91-E3975CBB96CB Lindzen Says UN IPCC does not Reflect Thousands of Scientists – Only a Dozen or so Scientists: Senator Inhofe was absolutely right. All that's coming out Friday is a summary for policymakers that is not prepared by scientists. Rob is wrong. It's not 2,500 people offering their consensus, I participated in that. Each person who is an author writes one or two pages in conjunction with someone else. They travel around the world several times a year for several years to write it and the summary for policymakers has the input of about 13 of the scientists, but ultimately, it is written by representatives of governments, of environmental organizations like the Union of Concerned Scientists, and industrial organizations, each seeking their own benefit.

I thought they were back. All that's been happening lately has the Mulrony red tories finger prints all over it.