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lols cheney isn't looking very god like lately: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/cheney.jpg

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i'm a bleeding heart, remember? i believe in giving the less fortunate a chance. so here is your third and last chance: do you have any comments about what the current and ex mossad chiefs, and the former idf chief or what u.s. director of national intelligence or general burgess and general dempsey have to say? here, i'll make it easier for you: In 2007, the U.S. intelligence community’s National Intelligence Estimate on Iran argued that the Iranian regime—loathsome as it is—is “guided by a cost-benefit approach.” In 2011, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified before Congress that “we continue to judge Iran’s nuclear decision-making is guided by a cost-benefit approach.” Last week, Gen. Ron Burgess, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told Congress that “the agency assesses Iran is unlikely to initiate or provoke a conflict.” Last weekend, Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria: “We are of the opinion that Iran is a rational actor.” from israel: Most of the Israeli security officials who have commented publicly have said similar things. In December, Haaretz reported that Mossad chief Tamir Pardo had called Iran a threat, but not an existential one. Earlier this month, former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy echoed that view, declaring that “it is not in the power of Iran to destroy the state of Israel.” That same week, former Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said virtually the same thing: that “Iran poses a serious threat but not an existential one.”

you're the worst at playing the anti-semite card. absolutely pathetic. do you have a response to what the current and ex mossad chiefs have said? what about the idf chief? do their comments make your head want to explode?

you're calling the current mossad chief, the former mossad chief and former IDF chief, doves. i see. that's your reason for their comments. it's because they're doves. it's totally not because they're actual experts who have decades of experience and know the ins and outs of israel's capabilities and iran's capabilities and intentions. right. can you name some experts who are for israel attacking iran?

From the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to the head of Mossad, the experts are speaking out against attacking Iran over its nuclear program, but hawks like the GOP presidential candidates are drowning out the warnings. here is a breakdown of some of the experts. from the u.s. In 2007, the U.S. intelligence community’s National Intelligence Estimate on Iran argued that the Iranian regime—loathsome as it is—is “guided by a cost-benefit approach.” In 2011, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified before Congress that “we continue to judge Iran’s nuclear decision-making is guided by a cost-benefit approach.” Last week, Gen. Ron Burgess, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told Congress that “the agency assesses Iran is unlikely to initiate or provoke a conflict.” Last weekend, Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria: “We are of the opinion that Iran is a rational actor.” from israel: Most of the Israeli security officials who have commented publicly have said similar things. In December, Haaretz reported that Mossad chief Tamir Pardo had called Iran a threat, but not an existential one. Earlier this month, former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy echoed that view, declaring that “it is not in the power of Iran to destroy the state of Israel.” That same week, former Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said virtually the same thing: that “Iran poses a serious threat but not an existential one.” link so i wonder why there are people who are still salivating at the chance for another war.

what is right or left? most politicians will go towards the direction the money flows. anti-boycott laws are not about freedom of speech? are you seriously saying that? the u.s. government is heavily influenced by the israeli lobby and the following law is proof of this: In the United States, the Export Administration Act discourages, and in some circumstances, prohibits U.S. companies and individuals from furthering or supporting the boycott of Israel. The Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) is responsible for penalties are imposed for each "knowing" violation with fines of up to $50,000 or five times the value of the exports involved, whichever is greater, and imprisonment of up to five years.

look at the embarrassing display of the united states congress when they stumble over each other to clap for their king, 29 times.

no foreign lobby group has anywhere close to the influence israel has over the american government and its foreign policies. not only has that been demonstrated in the examples i've posted but there is more and more discussion about it and some of it is getting into the mainstream. like harvard professors john mearsheimer and stephen walt's (who happen to be jew-haters - which would make them self hater), paper and book describing what we're talking about. the following is from the paper: AIPAC and its allies (including Christian Zionists) have no serious opponents in the lobbying world. They know it has become more difficult to make Israel’s case today, and they are responding by taking on staff and expanding their activities. Besides, American politicians remain acutely sensitive to campaign contributions and other forms of political pressure, and major media outlets are likely to remain sympathetic to Israel no matter what it does. The Lobby’s influence causes trouble on several fronts. It increases the terrorist danger that all states face – including America’s European allies. It has made it impossible to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, a situation that gives extremists a powerful recruiting tool, increases the pool of potential terrorists and sympathisers, and contributes to Islamic radicalism in Europe and Asia. Equally worrying, the Lobby’s campaign for regime change in Iran and Syria could lead the US to attack those countries, with potentially disastrous effects. We don’t need another Iraq. At a minimum, the Lobby’s hostility towards Syria and Iran makes it almost impossible for Washington to enlist them in the struggle against al-Qaida and the Iraqi insurgency, where their help is badly needed.

you're a coward for using the 'jew hater' card.

hard to take you seriously when you give such a cowardly response when faced with logic. would assassinating an israeli nuclear scientist be morally equal? terrorism is terrorism. as human beings, we have set standards by creating international law that defines acts like assassinations. israel or any other country should not be held above international law.

i think both iran and israel sponsor terrorism. i don't think anyone here disputes that iran sponsors terrorism here. so what's the point of talking about it when we all agree to it? however, quite a few people here cannot accept and acknowledge that israel also sponsors terrorism. notice how the method of trying to kill the israeli diplomats' family was exactly the same as the method used to kill the iranian scientist. a person on a motorcycle places a bomb under the car of the person he wants to kill. to hypocrites like you, one is an act of terrorism while the other receives your blessing. i'm curious how long it took you to become so numb towards your own hypocrisy and double standards.

his privacy? what did i miss?

trudeau will become canada's prime minister in the not so distant future. it's been a while since we've had someone so articulate who wasn't afraid to stick to his principles.

a transparent attempt to manipulate the issue and rationalize the curtailing of democratic freedoms. can't possibly be that canadians just believe the state should not have a free hand to ride rough shod over the charter.

yeah? okay. how about the anti-boycott of israel law, in the united states? In the United States, the Export Administration Act discourages, and in some circumstances, prohibits U.S. companies and individuals from furthering or supporting the boycott of Israel. The Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) is responsible for penalties are imposed for each "knowing" violation with fines of up to $50,000 or five times the value of the exports involved, whichever is greater, and imprisonment of up to five years. link

hey bushcheney? which country are you more loyal to? u.s. or israel? considering this: of course, this isn't the first time that israel has been behind terrorism. An explosive report published late last week by the magazine Foreign Policy, citing half-a-dozen current and former U.S. intelligence officers, claimed that spies with Israel’s Mossad agency were posing as Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) agents to recruit terrorists for a covert war against Iran. An Israeli official, however, dismissed the allegations as “nonsense.” According to the sources cited in the article, Israeli intelligence operatives were using American passports and wads of U.S. dollars to pose as CIA officers. The deception was reportedly used to recruit members of the notorious Pakistani terror group Jundallah, an organization on the U.S. State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations known for assassinations and brutal killings of women and children. The Israeli operations were taking place in major cities such as London — almost out in the open — according to the report. They were aimed at enlisting the support of violent extremists to help disrupt the Iranian regime’s nuclear program, which many U.S. and Israeli officials have alleged is actually a cover to build atomic weapons. the u.s. government wasn't too happy about this, but of course, they have no choice but to accept that they can't anger aipac. Bush administration officials were reportedly furious after learning of the “false-flag” scheme, according to the report. One currently serving U.S. intelligence officer cited in the piece claimed that then-President George W. Bush "went absolutely ballistic" after being briefed on secret memos detailing the alleged Mossad operations. link obama took steps to stop the support of terrorist groups by israel while pretending to be american officials. probably why he's considered 'a no friend of israel': When President Obama took over, however, his administration reportedly curtailed several joint intelligence-gathering operations aimed at Iran. how is israel considered a friend with actions like this? "This certainly isn't the first time this has happened, though it's the worst case I've heard of," former Centcom chief and retired U.S. Gen. Joe Hoar told Foreign Policy. "But while false-flag operations are hardly new, they're extremely dangerous. You're basically using your friendship with an ally for your own purposes. Israel is playing with fire. It gets us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not.”

bob - if there were chinese groups paying millions of dollars towards campaigns of american politicians in order to influence their foreign policy and people criticized this, would you be crying racism? when israeli lobby groups and billionaires such as the extreme zionist sheldon adelson are throwing money at politicians in order to influence their agenda, it's legitimate to discuss it. you can continue to cry anti-semitism all you want, it's not going to change the fact that: Enter 78-year old Sheldon Adelson, the world's 16th richest man, with $23 billion at his disposal. His empire is anchored in the west in Las Vegas, in the east in Macao, with a further stake in Israel, whence his second wife hails. On Israel, Adelson entertains harsh views on the advisability of negotiations of any sort with Palestinians and lately has been lobbying fiercely – he owns the largest circulation newspaper in Israel – for an attack on Iran. When Newt Gingrich, fishing for Zionist money, abandoned his previous relatively temperate posture on the Israel/Palestine issue, and declared that Palestinians were an "invented people", he was directing his remarks to an audience of one. Adelson was exceedingly pleased and expressed his pleasure in material terms, with a further $5 million, now staking Gingrich's campaign ads in South Carolina. To date Adelson has donated about $13 million to Gingrich's campaign – a US record. link

good thread. there is certainly a lot riding for many sides concerning assad's future. russia is also a player in this as most of syria's high-tech weapons come from russia. it's not going to be easy for u.s. and israel to pressure russia to give up on syria. cannot forget china and its relation with syria. they have trade agreements worth over $2 billion. china would also not like to see one of iran's important allies in the middle east to be taken over.

just as i thought; no answer. it's really really difficult to respond when you know you are a hypocrite and have double standards. don't tell me i didn't give you another chance. you're back on the block list.

of course, this isn't the first time that israel has been behind terrorism. An explosive report published late last week by the magazine Foreign Policy, citing half-a-dozen current and former U.S. intelligence officers, claimed that spies with Israel’s Mossad agency were posing as Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) agents to recruit terrorists for a covert war against Iran. An Israeli official, however, dismissed the allegations as “nonsense.” According to the sources cited in the article, Israeli intelligence operatives were using American passports and wads of U.S. dollars to pose as CIA officers. The deception was reportedly used to recruit members of the notorious Pakistani terror group Jundallah, an organization on the U.S. State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations known for assassinations and brutal killings of women and children. The Israeli operations were taking place in major cities such as London — almost out in the open — according to the report. They were aimed at enlisting the support of violent extremists to help disrupt the Iranian regime’s nuclear program, which many U.S. and Israeli officials have alleged is actually a cover to build atomic weapons. the u.s. government wasn't too happy about this, but of course, they have no choice but to accept that they can't anger aipac. Bush administration officials were reportedly furious after learning of the “false-flag” scheme, according to the report. One currently serving U.S. intelligence officer cited in the piece claimed that then-President George W. Bush "went absolutely ballistic" after being briefed on secret memos detailing the alleged Mossad operations. link obama took steps to stop the support of terrorist groups by israel while pretending to be american officials. probably why he's considered 'a no friend of israel': When President Obama took over, however, his administration reportedly curtailed several joint intelligence-gathering operations aimed at Iran. how is israel considered a friend with actions like this? "This certainly isn't the first time this has happened, though it's the worst case I've heard of," former Centcom chief and retired U.S. Gen. Joe Hoar told Foreign Policy. "But while false-flag operations are hardly new, they're extremely dangerous. You're basically using your friendship with an ally for your own purposes. Israel is playing with fire. It gets us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not.”

israel is anything but friendly. there are hundreds of other countries that would be considered friendly above israel. there is a reason why most of the world agrees that israel is one of the biggest threats to peace in the world. link new poll commissioned by the European Commission show that Israel is believed by Europeans in 15 countries to be the greatest threat to world peace, greater than North Korea, Iran or Afghanistan. israel supports terrorism as well. look at the group MEK which is listed as a terrorist organization by most western countries including the united states. yeah i know. double standards are okay as long as israel is involved. BTW, can you describe iran's nuclear weapons to me and give a date and place where it was tested? as a person with atomic weapons knowledge, tell me, why do you think israel should be above the law when it comes to having nuclear weapons? would it be okay if iran pulled out of the npt just like israel has? then, whenever they actually do create nuclear weapons, i'm assuming it would be okay since israel is doing it.

while: fact: israel has nuclear weapons fact: israel refuses to sign the NPT fact: israel refuses to allow inspection fact: israel has repeatedly violated international law fact: israel and u.s. has repeatedly said that 'all options are on the table'. fact: israel has funded and trained a terrorist group, MEK, to carry out terrorist activities inside iran. fact: israel has been an absolute bastard towards the palestinians since it came into existence. why are we not calling for an attack on israel?

can you guys stop trying to spread misinformation? why do you have a need to lie or exaggerate things? why so desperate to sell these lies? why can't you be honest and state facts?

no. you're b.s.ing again. the money and offers were made with israel's official blessing and were additional to the usual state packages it provides to Jews emigrating from the diaspora. to downplay the amount of money is dishonest: Iran's Jews have given the country a loyalty pledge in the face of cash offers aimed at encouraging them to move to Israel, the arch-enemy of its Islamic rulers. The incentives — ranging from £5,000 a person to £30,000 for families — were offered from a special fund established by wealthy expatriate Jews in an effort to prompt a mass migration to Israel from among Iran's 25,000-strong Jewish community. The offers were made with Israel's official blessing and were additional to the usual state packages it provides to Jews emigrating from the diaspora. However, the Society of Iranian Jews dismissed them as "immature political enticements" and said their national identity was not for sale. "The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money," the society said in a statement. "Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews." The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv reported that the incentives had been doubled after earlier offers of £2,500 a head failed to attract any Iranian Jews to leave for Israel. Iran's sole Jewish MP, Morris Motamed, said the offers were insulting and put the country's Jews under pressure to prove their loyalty. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/12/israel.iran