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oh you're right. israel will get plenty. they (the anti-israeli obama) just renewed the $3 billion/year in aid to a country who is part of OECD. there is pressure to cut social programs for the american people while israel is receiving welfare cheques from the u.s. government. the so-called conservatives who are okay with this scheme sure are backwards. u.s. foreign policy effects the world. besides, i enjoy pointing out how your tax money goes towards paying other countries when your country is going bankrupt. it's fun pointing out how your government is not working for you, but working for foreign interest groups. so instead of engaging in a conversation with a person who points out israel's strong influence over u.s. politics, those in denial will either scream anti-semite or put fingers in ears and say it's not your business.

not a muslim? good thing that there is a diversity of thoughts in america. good thing you don't really represent the majority of americans as majority support foreign aid cut, including aid to israel. the support for cutting aid is 59% as opposed to 37% who favour continuing foreign aid. so who is congress representing? americans or foreign countries? lets get back to modern times, old man; the iraq war was pushed by the israeli lobby and supported by congress who is heavily lobbied ($) by the israeli lobby. a war based on lies and deception that ended up killing thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands of iraqis. you're so proud of your shortcomings. cute.

a rabid zionist killed the israeli prime minister. reality check. an american lobby working for the interest of a foreign country and in many cases at the expense of america and american lives. softwood lumber lobbying is not going to involve taking american soldiers overseas and getting them killed. the americans will do as they're told through mass marketing. that's how it works. stand up and be proud yankee.

the christian arab? yeah. then in your view, israelis can't be trusted because they assassinate everyone, including the murder of their own prime minister by a rabid zionist. it's interesting how israel itself has laws against such foreign influence. no one says he can or he cannot. but what if your government is lobbied into changing their policies which may harm americans in favour of support for a foreign country? you still don't have a problem with that? will you be as passive and numb if it was a chinese mogul spending millions in order to influence american policies towards china? just how much financial influence do pro-israelis have over political groups? Richard Cohen, a columnist for the Washington Post, updated those figures in 2006 citing figures of 60% and 35% respectively for the Democratic and Republican Parties. According to the Washington Post, Democratic presidential candidates depend on Jewish sources for 60% of money from private sources. what if rich arab states or pro-chinese groups start pumping that kind of money into american politics to influence their policies? would we be seeing the same passiveness from the so-called american patriots like bc2004?

more on the influence: Just how far can Adelson influence Gingrich's campaign? The right-wing multi-billionaire and his wife have donated $10 million toward the Republican's efforts to secure the party nomination; but can one man’s predilections and attitudes — his worldview — have an effect on an entire election? One of Adelson’s passions — and a reason for his desire to play such a big role in American politics — is undoubtedly Israel. And his positions are unambiguously right-wing and hawkish to the extreme. When it comes to the Palestinians, there is no one to be trusted. What does it mean to have someone with these views have such an outsized influence on a candidate and the race he is in? link

why do you guys struggle so much with admitting the truth? AIPAC listed 2nd most powerful group on Fortune list AIPAC - along with the Association of Trial Lawyers and the American Medical Association -owes its high ranking in part to its "substantial campaign contributions." reality AIPAC's influence is in u.s. foreign policy. look at the pathetic display at u.s. congress when bibi came for a visit. bibi could have passed gas and the pathetic congress would have jumped to their feet clapping for bibi. then we have sheldon adelson, an ardent zionist and the 16th richest man in the world giving millions to newt gingrich, through super pacs. they spent millions in south carolina on advertising. you think gingrich would have called palestinians 'an invented people' if he wasn't looking for cash from adelson?

it's refreshing to see you being truthful. it really is.

the jordanian king doesn't want to rock the boat. $660 million dollars aid is a lot of money to receive annually even if half of it has to go back to be used to buy u.s. military weapons. i'm sure the military industrial complex is very grateful for the money they receive from the tax payers.

the very same people who helped promote the bogus reasons for the war on iraq are doing the same thing with iran. you have to have a lot of arrogance to think that you deserve any respect for promoting unnecessary suffering onto people. edit: come to think of it, they're not looking for respect. they lack the empathy and just want to bully. it takes a lot of disconnection from humanity to be like that.

see? neither of you want to admit the truth. i didn't say anything about jews controlling the government. like i've said before, it's ridiculous to blame 'jews'. there are so many different types of jews out there with different opinions and ideologies, just like there are so many different types of christians and muslims. this is about an ideology and a movement that drives people to do or condone immoral and illegal things. i may be against wahabism and other extremist movements and ideologies that some muslims follow, but it doesn't mean that i'm anti-islam. my comments about money being used by zionists to influence america's foreign policy is a matter of fact with plenty of evidence to support it. you can't deny this fact without denying the truth.

there are american subs with nuclear weapons pointing at iran. one hint of a nuclear attack by iran and they could be launched. because iran's plants are not as easy to hit and iran is capable of a response to a military attack. iraq was not able to do that. not only that, but experts have said that an attack on iranian plants would only slow down the process and not stop it.

j street demonstrates a degree of maturity and sophistication which is often hard to come by, where it comes to the mid east.

oops. bud is making too much sense. lets try to derail the conversation and get the clown hat on and try to drown out the truth. i didn't say anything about jews controlling the government. like i've said before, it's ridiculous to blame 'jews'. there are so many different types of jews out there with different opinions and ideologies, just like there are so many different types of christians and muslims. this is about an ideology and a movement that drives people to do or condone immoral and illegal things. i may be against wahabism and other extremist movements and ideologies that some muslims follow, but it doesn't mean that i'm anti-islam. my comments about money being used by zionists to influence america's foreign policy is a matter of fact with plenty of evidence to support it. you can't deny this fact without denying the truth.

you can't compare the iraq of 1981 to the iran of 2012. dagan is dead on. he understands the situation and consequences much better than natanyahu and barak whose hawkishness are being pulled towards extremists by the far right wing zionist parties that are keeping his coalition together. israel needs a leader like dagan who is intelligent, calm and collective. the arrogant and stubborn attitude has alienated israel and in some ways, worked in the palestinians' favour as more and more nations have become vocal about their displeasure of israel's actions and inactions towards negotiations. israel will have to learn to accept not being the only nuclear power in the middle east. the best thing to do is to encourage the iranian people to rise up against their government in a natural manner like it was on the verge of happening a few years ago and like we've seen it happen throughout the arab world. as far as whether iran would use its nuclear weapons when it reaches that point; despite at attempts to paint the iranian government as erratic, blood thirsty jew killers, the reality is that the iranian government would not use nuclear weapons. not only would it be a suicide mission, but they'd also lose all the wealth they've accumulated and continue to accumulate through oil and control over the economy in iran. as if they'd want to lose all of that. israelis should not worry so much about iran. they should worry about the problems they face internally and the increasing influence of the far right wing minority in the government and its policies.

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what's up DoP. i didn't say anything about jews controlling the government. like i've said before, it's ridiculous to blame 'jews'. there are so many different types of jews out there with different opinions and ideologies, just like there are so many different types of christians and muslims. this is about an ideology and a movement that drives people to do or condone immoral and illegal things. i may be against wahabism and other extremist movements and ideologies that some muslims follow, but it doesn't mean that i'm anti-islam. my comments about money being used by zionists to influence america's foreign policy is a matter of fact with plenty of evidence to support it. you can't deny this fact without denying the truth.

yeah.. that crazy christian arab. now imagine if he was a muslim. ohhh that would have been so deliciously perfect for the glenn beck crew.

the reaction shows what has been pushed into the american psyche. this was the run of the mill normal zionist behaviour, which we're seeing more and more of. constantly threatening to bomb iran, and at short and regular intervals attacking your neighbours, massacring palestinians, assassinating individuals all over the world - those have been accepted and are treated as being 'okay' by the mainstream thinking. but obama? now, that's unacceptable! the beautiful symmetry of hypocrisy.

i like foxman's response: Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League, also blasted Adler on Friday, saying "There is absolutely no excuse, no justification, no rationalization for this kind of rhetoric. It doesn't even belong in fiction. These are irresponsible and extremist words. It is outrageous and beyond the pale. An apology cannot possibly repair the damage. Irresponsible rhetoric metastasizes into more dangerous rhetoric. The ideas expressed in Mr. Adler's column reflect some of the extremist rhetoric that unfortunately exists

eh? you were almost able to have a conversation. at the risk of not getting a response and instead receiving a diversion, i ask again: tell me why you guys go off whenever there is any mention of zionist money in politics? why do you want to make it a taboo to talk about such things?

The owner and publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, Andrew Adler, has suggested that Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu consider ordering a Mossad hit team to assassinate U.S. President Barack Obama so that his successor will defend Israel against Iran. link now imagine if a muslim american had said what adler had said. “Yes, you read “three correctly.” Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel’s existence. Think about it. If have thought of this Tom-Clancy-type scenario, don’t you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles?”

why would i feel threatened by jews when many jews are front and centre in the fight for justice against zionism and other destructive ideologies and movements around the world. so tell me why you guys go off whenever there is any mention of zionist money in politics? why do you want to make it a taboo to talk about such things?

now about the israeli lobby; why do you guys feel so threatened when there is any mention of how much money the israeli lobby throws around in american politics? it's not like these things are made up. political contributions are right there for everyone to see. the information is not coming from alex jones, it's coming from mainstream media, like the LA times. like the information about how many millions gingrich received from a zionist businessman. you don't think gingrich now owes this guy some gratitude? like to call the palestinians 'an invented people'?

i see no actual quote from ahmadinejad. show me a quote from ahmadinejad and not a paraphrase by a reporter. just one. i'm surprised you guys can't find even one statement by ahmadinejad.

really? tell me where/when i've said this. there seems to be a lot of false accusations recently. i guess this is what happens when someone criticizes israel and challenges the narratives coming from the hasbara.