lictor616

oh sorry I did'nt know Hottentots and Ubangis where Buddhists .. and what in the WORLD does "emptiness of matter" have to do with this conversation?

? I've just cited a study that concluded that MOST BIOLOGISTS and even CULTURAL ANTHROPOLOGISTS, agree in a concept of race... the bulk of those who don't: instead believe in "CLINES" of humans ... which is the SAME as human races... I even quoted a statement by the FOREMOST BIOLOGIST: Ersnt Mayr to the effect that races are beyond the SHADOW OF A DOUBT a fact... I then put out a common sense arguement: if races and genetic heredity are figments of the imagination (as you say you believe they are) why is it that if two Northern Asiatics (Koreans say) have children ... they don't come out looking like Shacquille Oneil or Wesley Snipes, or Dolf Lundgren or Conan Obrian? its YOU who is the Bigot... its YOU who hates reason and flees logic ...

so your failure to bring up comparable inventions or breakthroughs in technology or to shore up ANY EVIDENCE at all for your claims of complete equality between the civilizations Europeans created and the "civilization" that the Zulu or Hottentots or Australoids created... makes ME the bigot ... really? the definition of bigotry is : "being obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"... now I am willing to consider arguments that will put the lie on the notion that Europeans were more creative and MORE scientifically literate the the Australoids or Hottentots or Ubangis... BUT... so far you haven't produced any... you merely call me names and hurl insults AT ME and TELL me that your brain is greatly superior to mine... yet refuse to settle the argument by producing evidence that would sustain a theory of complete creative equality or at the very least: problem solving abilities.. either produce evidence for your opinion of utter equality or sit down... don't begrudge me my skepticism about equality WHEN YOU YOURSELF CANNOT PRODUCE ANY EVIDENCE FOR IT... other then finger waiving, insulting and threatening me...

as likely then... jeez

!? the grand majority (83% of biologists, 61% of biological anthropologists 48% of cultural anthropologists) (Lieberman et. al. 1992 -2002) agree that there are human races. The most prominent biologists and anthropologists have all come out with public statements about "race" John C. Avise, R. Martin Ball, Jr., Stephen J. O’Brien and Ernst Mayr- all the creme of biologists completely agree in the fact of human races and clines. here is Ernst Mayr's statment which fairly states the consensus: http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001951.html snip --- "There is a widespread feeling that the word race indicates something undesirable and that it should be left out of all discussions. This leads to such statements as there are no human races. Those who subscribe to this opinion are obviously ignorant of modern biology. Races are not something specifically human; races occur in a large percentage of species of animals . . . the geographic races of the human races established before the voyages of European discovery and subsequent rise of a global economy - agree in most characteristics with the geographic races of animals. Recognizing races is only recognizing a biological fact." The notion of races (in our crumbling culture) while being almost illegal is still the consensus in the scientific community... and despite the huge stigma and potential for media harassment (see the father of DNA James Watson's recent troubles for being honest about africa) many biologists see impossible to think in terms of a "single human type or race". I'd love for you to quote this rambling errant nonsense about there being only two races - sub saharan and "non" sub saharan... Although lefties and liberals (as their religion of Egalitarianism demands) are very much willing to make science illegal if science produces "impious" results.... the consensus is still the same. Some biologists will labor in their laboratories and use circumlocution or euphemisms or replacement words so as to not arouse the hatred of the liberal rabble. They will use the word "cline" in lieu of "race"... but that doesn't change anything...

no proof of different abilities or potential for creativity!??!?! Oh I'm sorry... please tell about the many Zulu, Hottentot and Australoid breakthroughs in science and technology then... Perhaps you can use the example of the Hottentot invention of the transistor... or the Australoid created and made F-18 jet fighter... or the Zulu "Newtonian" mechanics.... yes the proof is abundant isn't it...

AH! so now genes are "MORALLY" meaningless... meaning that while recognizing they indeed play a role in every aspect of human qualities.. because traits happen haphazardly.. so much for the iron law of heredity! So by this logic- if two asian (say Koreans) copulate and produce progeny... there as good of chance that their children will turn out to look like Shaquille Oneil as Dolph Lundgren or Kim JOn Ill. Remarkable logic there my friend... and I bet the same happens in the black regions of African all the time... I,m sure British or Dutch accounts of incursions into sub saharan africa are rife with glowing accounts of blonde and red headed Nordic Europeans as well as assorted asians sub-types festooned all over the place... yes.. yes ... at last it all makes perfect sense now..

in quality too..

Humans are not hundredth decimal equal... genetically perhaps tenth decimal... but who would dream to think that two random people are to the one hundredth decimal equal in character, intelligence, height, build, appearance etc... again this is nonsense on stilts.. Could you be a bit more moderate here and realize that it’s not such extremes here, that racial differences are a combination of nature and nurture, it’s in fact both, it’s not either/or? And also, acuity of vision, intelligence, skin type, susceptibility to specific diseases are NOT TRIVIAL TRAITS... they are extremely important... Black skin is not superficial, it offers very REAL advantage in some aspects such as defense against the harmful effect of the sun... unless you think skin cancer is a jolly and "superficial" thing... Race is not a trait, it’s ancestry, and ancestry has wide-ranging genetic implications that are hugely relevant and important. In essence you're not so much denying the existence of traits and genetic differences.... you simply superficially devalue them to zero... saying that IQ, susceptibility to disease... (ie hypertension, high blood pressure and intolerance of alcohol for natives) is meaningless and not anything that should be observed or paid attention to... and that's just lunacy...

stolen, purchased borrowed...

I'm not getting bent "OUTTA SHAPE" over it... I'm stating a fact Tango... listen your contempt for Western civilization and the ethnicity that created it is palpable... it is written in every line that you write and felt in ever tone... For everything "bad" that happens to other people (Aztecs NAtives etc) you blame on the wickedness of Europe... Everything creditable (invention, conquest, peace, security, abolition of slavery) you call "luck" and imply that Europeans are unworthy of praise for such things... Its a standard liberal frame of mind... i've seen it so many times... its the same type of thought that makes people want to make "white people" responsible for the inadequacies and hardships (historical and present) of "blacks" and pay them affirmative action and reperations... but simultaneously makes "white people" somehow NOT responsible or creditable with their Civilization and achievements...

Chinese Philosophy (though Taoism and other schools of it are quite creditable as philosophy) doesn't see itself as philosophy in the western sense: that is "the mind of conceptual thought-of thought directed from the mind toward an object". Chinese and Hindu philosophy (though both quite creditable) lack in the thought OF THOUGHT - they are objective and rational in existential problems... but lack that quality of Western philosophy and classics. And to say that Confucius was every bit as influential in our world as Plato or Aristotle... well that's simply nonsense. And china was pretty much left alone after the terrible Mongol Invasions in which 60-70 million (half the Chinese population) was murdered ... apparently the beleif that only Europeans have genocidal tendencies (as some have suggested) is somewhat incorrect... After the Zheng He voyages... From the Ming Dynasty to the Qing China saw an age of relative peace and isolationism.. troubles really began in the 19th century

The fall of Constantinople happened thanks to a great many STOLEN European technology and "intelligence"... canons, ships, ascension ladders etc... ? so was the Ottoman Empire "lucky"? Nothing special in our genes except a sort of creativity that is conspicuously lacking in the Brahman, zulus, Hottentots, Ubangis, Australoids and the like... for some reason invention, technology and philosophy.... and the "faustian spirit" seems for all practical purposes to be faculties of the Europeans and Asians... none have been as "lucky" in acquiring creative will-to-power I suppose you believe that inventing the nuclear bomb happened thanks to a series of dice rolls and prayers too... and yes our genes are all PRECISELY EXACTLY to the one hundredth decimal EQUAL... and such features as black skin, kinky hair, broad noses, type and degree of intelligence, androgen hormonal types and degrees, acuity of vision, susceptibility to specific diseases... that's all caused by white racism and poverty I suppose right... right ...

um... duh.. some social scientists believe gender (i.e. "biological sex" or rather GENITALIA) is a biologically constructed phenomenon...

Luck? I suppose if you consider technological advancements, warcraft, statecraft and philosophy (almost unique to europe) to also come into your perception of luck... then... no no... this is more simple defamation ... a mind crazed with hatred of Europe and its civilization... Was China lucky when it was able to maintain its Dynasties for centuries after the mongols had officially disappeared and no other power could compete with them? Was Japan lucky to be an insular country and very easy to defend? Was Egypt lucky- when it was about the ONLY civilization worthy of the name in its day- with nearly no competition... Constantinople and Byzantine were pretty much "european" at one time.. being roman and all ... Where the moors lucky to have invaded nearly uninhabited portions of southern spain? Listen, we all know you're just venting out hatred... fess up... you don't like Europe or its civilization... its not like you're fooling anyone!

ah yes if... if ... if ... if And if the US would have joined forces with Nazi Germany to establish a WHITE WORLD... that too would have had very important consequences... And if Sub Saharan blacks would have produced the first nuclear bomb in the 8th century... we'd all be speaking swahili today... and if Japan had developed the combustion engine 100 years before Europeans.... maybe we'd be all exterminated by now... but they did'nt... they simply did'nt what a stupid tautological argument.

that essentially is the point.... the only possible mistakes of that dictum will come from incorrect estimates of strength... I for one don't really see the point of further taxing the bovine canadian taxpayer to resuscitate an etiolated, barbarous and almost useless language.

probably not.. although if you need to debate with your fists... you boycott your brain. and I would absolutely OWN you...

ah yes the Schedule to the Constitution Act, ----------- 1982... when the fighting was pretty much done... and the land very much settled.. you completely miss the point that there WAS NO SUCH LEGALITY or "RIGHTS" during the incipient moments of the creation of this Nation.

well that's tough ... but how many dialects go extinct every century... thousands right? again this is nugatory: The strong do what they can the weak suffer what they must... that's the law of life...

according to the socialist mind frame even GENDER is socially constructed...

the kurds where systemically persecuted in many regions in the middle east and levant... as where the Roma... as where the Kulaks in Ukraine during the Holodomor Genocide... as where the bourgeois class in China... anyways..

And I see you as foolish Oleg... Its hard to take anyone afflicted with chronic christianitis seriously. As you morbidly are. I do not believe that one-third of a god became incarnate in the most squalid and pestiferous region on earth (Palestine/Israel) to associate with the illiterate peasantry there, stir-up the rabble of a barbarous ethnicity, and magically exalt the ignorant and uncouth to “make folly of the wisdom of this world,” so that “the last shall be first”... You however probably insanely vie for a future in which the old spook head Yahweh will come back to earth, kill all non-believers and make everyone as happy as the rats in old Paris by resuscitating them as creatures of the same age, sex and capacities... such is the primitive communism inherent in the idiot desert dogma. People like Oleg cling to the morbid hatred of superiority that makes Christians dote on whatever is lowly, inferior, irrational, debased, diseased, deformed, and degenerate. Christian shamans like to scare other suckers with the dreary stories of what old Jesus would destroy people that don't revere his Chosen Parasites. You should go and watch Jesus Camp for what a christian future holds in store for canada: Christianity is a cult that enlists scores of mediocre individuals in a "Moral Majority" and inciting in many the fits, similar to epileptic seizures, in which they rave with evangelical verbiage.

sure let em stir up their age old hatreds OVER HERE! see how quickly their "peacful protest" (its not always that peaceful to block roads and destroy property) turns into a full blown massacre! Maybe soon we'll have another blessing of a multicultural society: "ethnic terrorism" ... perhaps we'll get a jolly little race riot ... palestinians vs jews, Tamils vs Sri Lankens, Pakistanis vs Indians... ah yes I can almost feel the power of diversity now! Its their right anyways... as you say... and our obligation as Canadians to feed the world's anthropoid loonies and let them destroy our social fabric... that's the canadian way. Remember Canada: Diversity Is Our Strength.

no the scale is supposedly the REASON why we are forced to remember. It'd be kinda hard to get people to sob and mourn 100 dead Jews, in the midst of the tens of millions dead in the war... And of course, anyone acquainted with recent history, knows that the holocaust HAS BEEN repeated... In china, Russia, East Europe after the war, South East Asia, Rwanda etc... and it WILL happen again. so apparently the lesson did'nt work and the "let's remember so it never happens again" argument is moot.